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June 2007 - Nearly have our first new sib, come on Daisy!

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Bumperlicious · 28/10/2008 21:00

Hello

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LackaDAISYcal · 19/11/2008 20:55

I will do butterfly

Did no-one see this thread earlier?

that's my mate that is

Sputnik · 19/11/2008 20:56

A woodburner is much better than an open fire, with a fireplace most of the heat goes up the chimney. Also cleaner and safer, if you get one with glass you can look at the fire.

Thanks for the offer of recording Daisy's moment of glory BE!

LackaDAISYcal · 19/11/2008 21:04

lol, I'm sure I'll be in the shot for a nano second and no more.

I'm worried about my grotty undecorated living room. I'm hoping it'll come over as 1980's retro chic

TheButterflyEffect · 19/11/2008 21:07

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HollyWeen · 19/11/2008 21:08

Oooo, making bath bombs? How does that work? My dd would love to do that!

Debate is going ok. I am looking for stuff atm, but it is really hard to find positives about formula feeding and even harder to find positives about formula advertising! I might start a thread on it to find out ffers' views. If banning advertising would make them feel alienated then that is a good starting point! I am actually starting to see infant feeding from a new perspective and becoming less judgy, something I thought would take me a long time to overcome!

LackaDAISYcal · 19/11/2008 21:12

holly, good luck on starting that thread......I hope it doesn't all go tits up (pardon the pun )

I'm intrigued about making the bath bombs as well.

HollyWeen · 19/11/2008 21:17

I've done it , I've started a thread! I really hope I don't offend anyone or make anyone shout at me !

FrazzledFairyFay · 19/11/2008 21:37

Holly, I don't want to post on another thread but am happy to give you my views on formula feeding and its advertising here:

To be honest, I couldn't care less if formula advertising was banned. It would not have changed my decisions either way with either DD or DS.

I found bf excrutiatingly painful and also extremely stressful. To the extent that with DD, I spent hours and hours expressing (even getting up at 3am to do so) so that I could give it to her in a bottle rather than bf. With DS that route simply wasn't an option for more than a week.

My honest opinion is that the availability of formula is all about freedom of choice. Some people don't bf for physical reasons and for some it is for emotional reasons, and for some it is a combination. If formula hadn't been available then it would have caused me a lot of emotional problems. It was mine and Dh's decision how to feed our babies and no-one has the right to take that decision away from us.

HollyWeen · 19/11/2008 21:41

Sorry to hear that fairy, I didn't realise you had such a tough time. Do you think that any advertising helped you to choose one brand over another?

FrazzledFairyFay · 19/11/2008 21:48

I really think that advertising had no effect whatsoever. When i was in hospital, DD was prolifically vomiting bloody mucous every time I fed her, and I couldn't keep up with feeding her. I was offered, and accepted, trying a bit of formula to give me a break. They had two brands - C&G and another which I can't remember, they asked which I wanted and I just chose the first one they said (C&G). Once she'd stopped the vomiting, I tried to bf exclusively and when, at about 5 weeks old, I decided to introduce ff, I carried on with the C&G as it had seemed fine in the hospital.

I can honestly say that I hadn't consciously seen or paid attention to any adverts for formula as I had been hoping to bf as I'd naievely assumed it'd feel easy and natural.

If the hospital hadn't given me any then I'd have gone to the shops and just picked one - probably based on what the packaging said.

The formula brands that were available in the hospital had far more influence on me than advertising.

HollyWeen · 19/11/2008 21:53

Thanks for sharing that fairy, that's really helpful. I'm going to talk to the bfing coordinator at the hospital and see how the formula in hospital gets chosen. I wonder if it is from reps.

FrazzledFairyFay · 19/11/2008 21:56

No problem Holly. Good luck with your debate.

Don't get me wrong, I know bf is best for babies and I think everyone should at least try to bf, but it is never going to work for absolutely everyone and the guilt-trips that people who decide to ff get put-on are wholly unfair. It is all about personal choice and personal responsibility.

FrazzledFairyFay · 19/11/2008 21:57

goodnight

HollyWeen · 19/11/2008 21:58

'Night fairy, thank you.

JammyQueenOfTheSewers · 19/11/2008 22:07

Evening. Been busy most of the day, have just tried to see what's been going on.

Woodburners rock! We don't have one but my ILs do and it's great. The water gets massively hot too - until FIL did something with the plumbing you could sometimes hear the water boiling in the hot water tank and someone would have to go draw a load of hot water off somewhere (often leading to an impromptu bath!) to introduce some cold water into the system. We have a fireplace in our dining room and hope one day to have it swept out and be able to have a real fire occasionally (if only at Xmas).

I've been a coward and haven't contributed to Holly's FF debate, but I think I'm in line with Fairy (if I've understood her correctly, apologies if not) that I think that information should be available on FF, as not everyone can or wants to BF, however much we might like everyone to do so in an ideal world. And, especially for those who want to BF but can't, if FF is seen as something so terrible that there is no info available then the guilt must be horrific. I also took no notice (and never have and prob never will) of the adverts. Like Fairy I chose my brand of formula based on what they gave in hospital - I just continued with that when I needed FF at home. I don't recall being given a choice by the hospital btw, but that doesn't mean I wasn't. If anything that's the point at which I don't think brand names should be used. I think there should be a generic formula used in hospitals, even if it is just brand X supplying it in an unbranded form.

Jamlet been really snotty and rather off colour today. Every little thing has upset her, and she wasn't eating as much as normal which is VERY unlike her. Poor wee thing. Hope she improves by morning.

Daisy - hope we do get to see you (and the LO (and the other DCs)) on the tellybox.

NattyTomAndEllen · 19/11/2008 22:09

i formula fed thomas if ur interested?

JammyQueenOfTheSewers · 19/11/2008 22:14

I am also interested in making bath bombs

NattyTomAndEllen · 19/11/2008 22:21

thomas was formula fed because when i attempted to bf he would arch his back and scream and hold his breath rather than feed.
this behaviour scared the shit out of me being a first time parent and after 48 hours i went to bottles. (i was in for 4 days c-section) they would NOT give me any formula, new government guidlines said that u had to bring in ur own. well this was at 1am they told me this and i had to deal with a screaming baby until 8am visiting times, then send dh out to buy some, then the hospital would supply bottles to me.
i started with cow and gate cos thats all the local corner shop sold, but as soon as i got home i switch to an organic formula (hipp) because i was worried about the cow growth hormones found in traces in formula.
now i only knew about this because i reaad an article online.

no help was offered with choice, i felt victimised all the way along because i SO wanted to bf, and actually got very depressed and wouldnt feed thomas out the hosue for fear of what ppl were thinking of me.

and for the record.. thomas's refusal to bf and be held is because he is Autistc, and was not me being lay as the midwives in hospital implied.
so i had a valid medical reason.. yet the docs and midwives made me feel awful cos they kept telling me to keep trying, (which i did every evening until my milk dried up, about two weeks in)as breast was best.

so i think this ban on advertising, lack of info for ppl that have to ff, and scorn on the parents that do ff is awful. no one is going to chose formula over bf cos they like an advert, they just arnt.

ok rant over....
didnt wanna post in ur thread because i dont need to feel any worse than i already do about not having that bond with him

NattyTomAndEllen · 19/11/2008 22:48

killed the thread.....

educatingRia · 19/11/2008 23:04

holly, like the others I don't want to post on another thread, and I think fairy has summed up what I've wanted to say about FF since you mentioned you were doing the debate, but I couldn't work out how to say it without starting another debate, iyswim.

I was 19 when DS1 was born, had been depressed pre-PG and throughout and read all the baby mags and books, and was determined to do thing "right". Also my nephew was born the year before, so I wasnted to be as good as my Dsis. I chose to BF because everything said that was best. I can't remember but I think my AN classes were impartial. The hospital was not happy for mums to stay in bed BFing, if it was a mealtime you got up and ate at the dining area (not in bed as at the hospital with DS2&3). DS1 was difficult to settle, even in hospital (they even had a nursery but I do not remember anyone suggesting FF to me, it being the work of the devil, but also I don't remember a lot of support), at the 6 week check the GP (not my own) misread DS1s chart and told me he was seriously underweight. MY HV sorted this and I tried a bit harder, but he was still not thriving. I think it was very painful too. I would say it was within days of this that I changed. My HV visted us at home I must have cried I think and she told me it wasn't worth the suffering (healthy mum, healthy baby etc), and suggested SMA gold or C&G iirc. We lived directly opposite a chemist and had bottles and sterliser already so we immediately went and got some, and DS1 took his first bottle like he had never been fed before. The guilt I felt from that was unbearable. I had no trouble bonding with him or anything, deciding to FF was a massive weight off my mind, but I still had horrible PND. In contrast I managed to feed DS2 for over 6 months, and baggins was 8 or so months I think. Lots of support from MWs for both kinds of feeding.
The advertising of formula made no difference to my choices. The anti-FF info probably did make it more difficult for me to make what was the right decision for me. I agree there should be some kind of impartial advisory service about formula, but it also needs to be accepted. It is a parents own choice how to feed their baby, and whether they choose formula purely through choice, or because of some reason that necessitates it, they should be able to be comfortable with that decision and not feel judged. Not all parents have the experience and confidence that with me only came with having more babies.

I hope that makes sense? I know what I mean but getting it across is a different thing entirely. Hope you haven't started a new thread while i've been posting.

educatingRia · 19/11/2008 23:08

we need a new thread - any witty titles anyone???

educatingRia · 19/11/2008 23:20

here sorry

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