May 07: The one where SOH gets her tweed clothes and LG&T doesn't get any...

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A CP meet up would be great. I am off to Longleat at the end of November with the kids and my sister & her boyf. Dh is in Marbella on a 'works' do. More like golfing piss up hol!

Yes we are off to Disney in 2wks. Going for a 8nights. Looking forward to stocking up on lots of nice disney stuff and going shopping to fill my winter wardrobe up. Its always good to get some nice xmas presents at cheaper prices.

Do you know what SOH, i very nearly bought you a pair of tickets to see ShowofHands

I think I might leave tbh.

bero's going. I adore her.

You lot are the only ones I bother with anymore apart from a few others. And I think I'm the odd one in the corner most of the time. I don't know what High School Musical is. I want to say a film but it might be a book.

I was born out of my time. I'm starting a yurt.

Your wisdom has seen me through some very tough times SOH. In a non-slushy way of course. Don't be flouncing on us!

I wouldn't flounce, I'd slip out the back door.

My door is open. Not literally. It's cold. But I exist in real life too.

Nobody comes to Norfolk though. It's like a museum that you one day think you'll get round to and you're sure all the farm equipment is quite interesting but you're distracted by the theme park on the way.

And everyone is just racing up to Liverpool, aren't they? I'm pretty sure scouse isn't contagious.

[grn]

SOH - just saw your post on Bero's thread as well. Listen to me very carefully........ Are you listening ???

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO ANYWHERE. UNDERSTAND

Glad we've got that sorted

I'm not really having a hen night. Meeting some friends for dinner in town next Friday but that's something we do every few months anyway so its not a hen night really. There's also a local mn meet up the week before we get spliced, but that's not a hen either... Definitely too boring old for 'L' plates and condoms

I would love to see Take That by the way. Would also be up for a CP meet

SOH it just wouldnt be the same without you!

SOH---You can't go anywhere. You are the heart and soul and (most days) the voice of reason on this thread. You are the one that defends against too much porn and pram talk. Without you we would all be lost.

The poo is still with us. It is bizzare. The Doc has said it could be viral or could be some bacterial nasty living in his gut. The poo is yellow, mushy and has brown flecky bits in it. Sorry for the tmi. I have seen it before with the others, does it have a name? I am fed up of it. The boy is happy though

TYG your day does sound shite, carrying a baby in a car seat while dragging another baby along is quite possibly the worst predicament to find yourself in. If DH had been the one doing it i can guarantee he would be off down to the Volvo dealer like a shot. Keep on at him and let him do thwe nightmare kid run sometimes just so he can see how it is.

Scoot hope your boss responds soon, it really must be terrible going in to a job that you hate every day You need to rest and take some building up tonic to get yourself healthy again. Minadex or something i have taken before. Will try and link it.

AM thank you for not minding the cancelling at short notice. It is not really fair to share the whatever it is. You are right anyway, a visit when i am housebound in a couple of weeks is a better idea.

Pink is that rash still there? How bizzare. Take a picture of it so we can see. B came back the baby from hell after spending 4 hours with my mother once, cant blame him. He was soooo tired and they missed all his cues.

I am not a TT fan, bleurgh.

SOH blardy bank! Are they holding your money somewhere? I would be going bananas on the phone. We couldnt manage without the child benefit, what a nightmare You are a hippy btw, saw the other thread Will you make it to us before Xmas?

DH has finished polishing the silver cross, it looks lovely just needs a matress and some pretty sheets in it now. I may take B for a spin in it.

Oh god, you are NOT going ok. That is just silly. I met you her fgs

Yes, still there. Fading now though and not spreading. Ooh, a silver cross, gorgeous.

I want another baby so much!!

I find it amazing that if I were driving three kids round in a Renault Grand Espace, nobody would bat an eyelid, but put a Volvo estate on a 4x4 wheelbase and you're a disgusting gas guzzler, despite them having similar emissions and fuel efficiencies. And nobody ever looks funny at my Jag, despite it doing about 15mpg. Muppets.

I like the X5 AM, but only the newer models come with a 7 seat option (afaik) and we can't afford a new one. Not that DH would let me buy a new car, even if we could. He goes around muttering about depreciation on second hand cars, never mind new ones. I'll be looking for the cheapest on the market.

As SOH says, my car needs putting out of its misery. Engine is perfect, but I suppose it's a bit like saying an old arthritic dog shouldn't be put down, just because its heart is fine. Doubt we'd get a part exchange. We'll see. The dealers might be more desperate than I thought.

I like TT and all, but in all honesty, I'd rather go to a nice intimate Show of Hands gig than a TT stadium event. I like the sound of them, being from the Bog and all. Was fed a diet of traditional music from a young age and I still like it, despite being a vile capitalist.

G&T - I should be able to come the next time you have people over and will bring some baking. Sorry about the poo. Yeuch.

FWIW, I don't talk to anyone else on MN. Only you lot.

Helloooo! I'm back.
SOH you are wrong, people do go to Norfolk. I have just spent 6 dayss in Great Yarmouth and, dare I say, enjoyed it. It was so lovely to spend time with the kids and great for them to really get to know each other properly. It sounds awful doesn't it but because they go to different cms and Charlie is at Nursery in the mornings, I sometimes feel that they just don't know enough about each other. They got on really well and played beautifully together. R was a nightmare with food but whats new? Somehow, on holiday, it just doesn't matter does it? We visited loads of attractions but the highlight of the holiday was Bewilderwood near Wroxham. If you're ever over that way, you have to go. Check out the website, it's an amazing place.

SOH, don't go, please. Apart from anything else, you're probably the only other person on mumsnet who knows who some of my favourite musicians are. Isn't a hippy policeman a bit of a contradiction though?

Hi everyone hope you are all well.

I have moved offices and have in less than a day broken my new computer so I am now back in my old office using my old machine whilst they mend my new one in the new office. Luddite Moi No snow here although massive hail strom this am so had to jump up and shut the window.

Hi Jam, Dh does not snore or dribble

Oh shoot, hello everyone else no favouritism here.

CM I need a 7 seat, because with 2 babyseats in the back, you can't fit a teenage DD1 comfortably next to them. I quite like the VW Toe-rags, but haven't seen inside. Are the back seats big? They're 5 seat, am I right?
My friend in Australia has a cool Toyota that's very like the Volvo, but I haven't seen them here.

Duloc is, Duloc is, Duloc is a perfect place.

Welcome, you are now parked in Lancelot.

I blame my mother who is staying with us. And watching Eastenders. Which is a pile of unadulterated, aggressive poo. Evreefink is not a word you know.

My friend has a one of these www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/newoutlander/ and that comes as a 7seater.

Have just been to the nurserys Halloween party. Ella was a spider fairy and Jack the Fire Wizard (didnt want to say devil)

Just getting everything ready for MrsJB and family. They are arriving at about lunchtime tomorrow i think am so excited.

PrincessFiona, do you have all 3 Shrek films?

We have 1 and I caved and bought 2 this week as I can't watch the same one over and over. Didn't realise there was a third. Lord above. Do we find out exactly how a donkey and a dragon manage to copulate because in my head it's a bit like stumbing into a boggy cave.

Eastenders has been on for 3 hours. I swear, if my Mum weren't farrrmmmmeerrrleeee.

Pictures of spider fairy and red wizard please.

Ok girls am about to do a prob long and very self indulgent post but humour me please.

I have just been to see the birthing center which is 5 minutes away from where we live and am now sitting here in tears as I am so terrified that I will have an identical labour to the one with Archie when what I am longing for is to go somewhere like the birthing center.

It is fab just like what you would imagine a cottage hospital to be like vv friendly staff & immaculate and they have family rooms so your partner can stay with you then they have a gorgeous ward where you can stay for a couple of days afterwards. There is also a great pool where they actively encourage you to give birth they encourage as natural as possible very active labour no lying in a bed being monitored.

My problem is with Archie's labour I dont think I really came to grips with what happened and in the grand scheme of things it wasnt that bad compared to what many of you all when through. I had to go into hospital at the first contraction because of bleeding from the low lying placenta. A was lying back to back which obviously made the labour very long and very painful. I was never given any choice on how I wanted to labour I was strapped to a bed for pretty much the entire 2 and half days I was in there before A being born. I had consultant trying to make me have a c-sec they were poring syntocin into me and when it came to pushing there were doctors in the room yelling at the midwife to cut me. I also found out later that the midwife ended up doing that weird pushing down on my tummy to get A out. I felt completely out of control during the whole experience. Not helped that it was a busy London hospital with the usual blood and excrement up the walls etc etc we went through several midwifes of varying degrees of incompentacy. Not once did any of them talk to me about what was happening and it was only because our NCT teacher came in to help us at the last min as a doula that I was able to have a vaginal birth.

I know none of this really makes much sense as it was not the worst labour in the world but I think seeing the midwife led unit tonight and seeing how desperate they are to encourage a natural mobile birth it has made me realise how so far removed my labour with Archie was to how I had wanted. Also how much I want it to be different this time round.

So do I go back to the birthing center and ask them to talk through Archies labour and how I feel to try and put my mind at rest??

Thanks for getting through this post and feel free to ignore the silly ramblings of a spectacularily hormonal female.

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Oh jammy. It's not a competition. Birth trauma is nothing to do with how hard you had it in comparision to how hard it could have been. The most straightforward delivery can leave you feeling confused and angry.

Your labour and the method of delivery with A sounds horrid to me. There is nothing so difficult as feeling so vulnerable and out of control whilst in pain and frightened. Being strapped to a bed or having artificial hormones poured into you takes away your natural instincts and the control you need to feel when doing such a gargantuan thing.

There are three things that in my limited opinion you should do. Firstly put to rest A's birth. If you feel requesting your notes would help, they'll go through them with you at the birth centre and you can ask any and every question you want. Secondly, rehearse in your mind that this baby is not A, this labour will not be like the last one, the placenta will not cause the same problems. Thirdly, take control of what happens next. Absolutely get down to that birth centre and talk more. Write a birth plan. Visualise how it could be. Know that your body now knows how to birth ridiculously handsome babies.

That pushing on the tummy thing is an outdated and cruel practice. I thought they no longer did it in the UK.

I'm sorry. I never realised you felt this way.

Oh sweetie. I think going back and talking it through with them is a good idea. They will be able to understand all the things you dont want this time round.

Sorry i cant offer any proper advice or words of wisdom. It makes me realise that i was very fortunate with both of mine even if the last one as a bit of a scary time.

Sending you lots of hugs