May 07: The one where SOH gets her tweed clothes and LG&T doesn't get any...

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Isnt there something about medised and not giving with other paracetemol based products?

Think could give her it at 9..following times of Calpol dosing..

If she gets worse I am calling the out of hours Dr.They come to the house normally and are more receptive than Dr no-brain at our surgery.

oh dear.She is just sobbing because she is so hot now.

If she won't sleep then call the out of hours doc, it sounds like a case for antibiotics to me.

And of course now M is screaming in her cot, which she never ever does.And dh has just phoned and been snippy, so I told him to F**k off.FGS..
This too will pass.This too will pass..

....and breathe. In with the love.... I'm away to beddie byes, fingers crossed and will be thinking of you and your babies. xx

Night master..and thanks..hopefully we will make it thru the night and will update in the morn..( [melodramatic emoticon])
They are both in bed.All quiet.I dont think it will last but am getting in bed myself now to capitolize on the situation.Will never sleep as am too with DH but thats a story for another time..

Scoot, if she's been this hot for this long, I'm wondering if she's getting dehydrated. Also, how is her weeing? Any possibility it's a kidney infection? She could have a sore back with it - it doesn't always cause pain on weeing. Worth suggesting to out of hours service? Def call them. A child crying in November about being too hot is worth a call.

When she's hot, sponge her down with lukewarm water to help heat disippate; when she's shivery, a nice blankie for comfort.

Could be a "flu like virus". In which case you can only ride it out. Medical intervention only runs to fluids and oxygen if it's really acute. Like I said, I'd just be worried about her fluid levels. Is she drinking plenty?

She is drinking litres..thats the only good thing..Ive never known her, or M for that matter, ask for more water..she is really that hot that she is downing pints..did wonder about UTI as she did have a kidney problem at about 9 months old,but she never wees much anyway and she is drinking heaps..wee doesnt smell (tmi but had to check!)

think she is asleep for now.Have given Nurofen at 7.30 on top of her 5pm Calpol so hopefully that will hold her for a while.If she wakes up boiling hot again am calling the Dr.

I suppose she's probably sweating a lot of the water off. Glad she's drinking anyway. You're right to call the doctor if it carries on. Fingers crossed for you tonight.

Incidentally; the NHS Direct website gives this advice.

Check your child?s temperature every 4 hours - most fevers last 2-3 days. Call NHS Direct on 0845 4647 if:

your child?s symptoms get worse,
your child develops new symptoms,
your child?s fever (high temperature) lasts for 3 days or more, or
you are still concerned about your child for any reason.

Well it's been longer than 3 days, so you can say to the out of hours doctor that you're following their own advice.

Scoot, what a rubbish GP, hope the fever eases off and that you've managed to get some sleep.

Scoot I've been thinking about you and Lil all night. I hope you all managed some sleep. Is she a bit better? Did you call the doc? If not and if the fever is still there today, after 5 days, you need to go back to the GP and be stroppy! We tend to have a 4 day fever rule and after that we go to the dr.

She is still hot.We didnt call the Dr in the end, as she seemed to be cooling down.She has had periods today where she has been cooler but as soon as the meds wear off her temp shoots straight back up (this is an improvement as before nothing was even touching the temp really)Mum said she had a good sleep today, 9-2.30, which seems to have perked her up a bit but she is by no means well.
We got no sleep as she woke every half an hour either crying or asking for a tissue for her snotty nose (or M was awake with her snotty nose)
If she remains hot tomorrow its back to the GP we go.Will get DH to come with me as he is much tougher than me when it comes to Dr's.
I went to work, and actually fainted in my meeting,(Which was quite odd-have only ever fainted once before and that wasnt as impressive as this as today I actually slumped off my chair) then I burst into tears as have just about had it .All the other service managers there were mighty alarmed as I am usually the coper and the cheery one (I know this may be hard to believe as I whine like a mule on here all the time and am sure you are all fed up)I feel godawful,cant breathe very well, am very hot and chest is tight as a drum.DH had to come out of work and drive me home before driving back to work for his meeting.My car is now in East Finchley and DH was not best pleased at the extra two hours he had to drive today..(although he was sympathetic to me obv)My boss has forbidden me to go in the rest of the week which is good, as couldnt have anyway.
So thats my bucket of misery..sorry to be such a downer all the time..

Oh Scoot my lovely, lovely lady. I think from the sounds of it and from a very distant perspective, neither L nor you are battling a viral infection. I think it might be bacterial. Nothing to worry about too much, just the difference between something the immune system can fight on its own and something that requires a bit of help in the form of antibiotics. I'm with TMAM, only give antibiotics if it absolutely will not go and believe that you treat the child not the fever. So if they have a temp, it's just the body fighting illness and not a cause for concern but if they are complaining and suffering, you treat the pain. L is suffering obviously and needs pain relief. Medised might be good for her if the snotty nose is getting to her. It will dry her out. Are you putting a decongestant in her room at night and raising the end of her bed? Steam too perhaps?

M had a viral infection that Would Not Go. Her temp was 40 and we couldn't bring it down. She was admitted to hospital and two things happened. She was give much more paracetamol than I ever give because she was weighed first. The tiny dose I gave wasn't touching it. 20 minutes later her temp was 38. She also needed steroids as she just wasn't battling it.

I think the problem for children prone to febrile convulsions is the rise in temperature not the temperature itself iyswim. So it's not the 39 degree temp, it's the rapid rise to this after the meds wear off. It shocks the system. This is another argument for resisting too much medicine to control a fever as it causes so many peaks and troughs as the medicines kick in and wear off continually. Of course you must give her medicine as she is suffering and her temp has been too high for too long but I would be pushing the GP as hard as I can for a bit more than 'it's a virus'.

And as for you, firstly you complain all you like. Secondly, you tell the GP you have a tight chest and have fainted. And then you do fa for the rest of the week. You absolutely must find a way to slow down. Your immune system is struggling to cope. All 4 of you are ill more often than is fair for one family. This is your body telling you to stop.

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

It will pass. Promise.

As ever the old Scrooge lady says it much better than I did . You and Lil are both 'more-than-a-virus' sick, you must go back to the GP and assert yourselves. You are not whining, you are overloaded. If you are not getting attention from the dickhead GP then I suggest you go to your nearest A&E, they will listen to you. I am pretty certain that as soon as you are both on antibiotics you will feel better within the space of a few hours. Good on dh for coming to get you, he gets brownie points for that. I hope your mum is still around to help out too?

Now, can anyone tell me why my boy has developed an obesession with umbrellas?

For the same reason that my girl has an obsession with saucepans probably.

Running's going well over here. I was most surprised to find I have 'levels'. I can ease up and down to suit terrain and energy levels during a run. Before it was just dragging myself round without falling in a puddle. Am deffo doing a 10k. My only problem is I'm a wee bit shy. I don't like people looking at me when I run.

God I so hate it when someone I know comes up behind me in the car when I am running and 'beeps' me. At the beginning when I had to stop a bit, I would make sure there was noone around I knew who may catch me walking instead of running. Actually you get over this self conscious stage pretty quick, I find I can lose myself in my ipod and forget about the whole world Dh is a little concerned I may be mugged for my ipod I like to have a little more faith in humankind. Well done you, why not join 'us' on the runners thread? They are currently discussing such joys as waterproof socks

Has the Tank destroyed any saucepans in the process of becoming obsessed? We are now onto umbrella number 3.

You see I run round the farm and up to the next village. In all the months of running I have been passed by two cars and a few tractors. It's perfect. A cow might mug me for my MP3 I suppose. I did make the mistake of lending it to dh (the music machine not a mythical kleptomaniac bovine) and it has lots of questionable metal on it now so I'll be mid-run and Napalm Death will cause me to fall, limbs a flailing in a hedgerow. I don't dare click on that runners thread, I have visions of serious runners who know what they're doing laughing at my naivety.

Luckily le creuset come with a lifetime guarantee. Not even the Tank can chip them. She can re-stack them precariously in the cupboard though and they will fall onto you poor unsuspecting little toes.

Have I told you lately that I love you guys?It so odd how feisty I am at work with say the district Nurse or a social worker, yet when it comes to my own Dr I am spineless..Mum is going tomorrow as she has an eye appointment she cant miss.DH is taking the afternoon off I hope so am not on my own with the girls for too long.Think Pingu DVD will be getting some hammer in between times...

We will go back to the Dr tomorrow..L and M both asleep for now which is a welcome relief for them and for me,but they have been waking up every half hour from about 11 so am thinking it wont last.I feel so sorry for L in particular as she is so fed up now.
I must be poorly as DH has actually aknowledged it, (which he NEVER does, my arm has to be practically be falling off for him to give me any sympathy)and just bought me a cup of tea and a Grazia magazine that he went specially to the shop to buy

I once went for a run (I say once, I mean 10 years ago which was the last time I ran willingly) and saw approaching a boy I had a huge crush on.Here is a chance to show him how fit and sexy I am I thought.Then I tripped over a curb, fell over, rolled twice and got hollered at by a car full of boys who found it hilarious.I have not run, (outside of a gym) since then.

I wonder if MKG will come on to give us election updates..

I'm staying up all night to watch the election results. I don't understand the system and after a few hours of sleep deprivation I'll be murmuring 'ooh look at the pretty colours' but I'm very excited nonetheless.

I love Pingu.

Running and sexy don't go. I go very, very red when I run. I'm sure some men like that look in a woman but me huffing like a stuck pig doesn't appeal to the majority I'm sure.

Think I looked a bit like Phoebe off Friends when I ran.Ergo I choose not to

Im quite excited too, but will never stay up.Polls close at midnight yes?..I love all the election graphics..all the swirly round graphs and that..David Dimbleby is live from Washington DC!

Well there are huge celebrations here this morning with the news of Obama's victory. The President of Kenya has declared tomorrow a public holiday to celebrate the fact that the son of a Kenyan is now one of the World's most powerful men As ever, Kenyans are massively overexcited which resulted in an armed car jacking right outside a kindergarten next door to dd's prep school. We passed minutes before it happened and heard the shots as we entered school. The staff quickly closed all the kids into the school until we learnt what was going on. The thieves took the car and shot a local guard dead. Two local security cars chased them a couple of hundred metres away, blocked the car and the thieves ran off.... a scary incident for us all and an indication that emotions are running high. That's the penalty we pay for having such a wonderful lifestyle

Scoot - just sending you big hugs.

My tits are too big for me to run. That's just the truth of the matter.

Flippin eck Scoot i hope you manage to see a DR that actually helps today. Great advice from TMAM and SOH. When it comes to your own babies there is nothing more scary and unnerving as them being poorly. It seems to sap all reasonability out of us and cause us to doubt ourselves We do know what is right for our children and society makes us doubt it every step of the parenting route.

TMAM that sounds terrifying did DD know what was going on? It must leave you shaken up.

I am pleased about Obama, where is MKG? Who did she vote for? Have they got a baby name yet?

We are just about through the painting nightmare here. It does look heaps better but my god the hassle of toddler and open paint pots. Scoot we are using the new Paint Pod System from Dulux, it was on offer in B&Q for £35 instead of £100. The paint is pricey but goes along way. It is incredible! Soooo fast and no mess. We used White Mist on the walls and palin old white for the ceilings. If there are any left it is well worth the investment or you could just pop over fore tea and cake and borrow ours

I am 30+3 today and have just started to get those stabbing up your fanjo pains. Remember them? Argh. I feel fit to burst, she is at least 6lb already i think. We were taking bets last night on how big she will be. DH says 9lb 10oz and i said 10lb 5oz. Depends if she goes over due or not really.

twins 2lb 9oz and 2lb 13oz at 29 weeks.
dd 7lb 10oz at 39+6
ds#3 8lb 4oz
ds#4 9lb
ds#5 9lb 2oz

Of course she isnt really coming out and i am not really pregnant at all

Jam how are you?

SOH am about to FB you.

TMAM - I completely missed that post! How frightening for dd. I grew up in South Africa, just outside Johannesburg, but we left in 1986, and never saw any trouble. I'd love to go back one day.

LG&T - get you and your 'painting system'. I love freshly painted walls. No wallpaper in my house except in the hall. And yes, she is coming out. And I think you can safely bet she won't be 6lb. Have you decided on a name yet?

Alexa's rash has finally started to fade. It's so dry though where it was, like sandpaper. God knows what it was, but I am pretty sure it wasn't either shingles or chickenpox. We took her to a fireworks display last night, and she was very 'meh' about the whole thing, as if she'd seen better.

She has also turned into a screaming banshee. Can't think where she gets her stroppy nature from. She also says 'crying' when she is crying, as if to say, 'Erm, I'm crying here!!!'

The human condition is something that is fraught with the potential for destruction TMAM. It's something you must see too often. Not wanting to go too Nietzschean/Freudian on such an important and wonderful day, human nature stipulates that emotions are precariously juxtaposed at critical points. I always wonder why certain individuals cannot sublimate their emotions positively and unfortunately think that it is to do with societal constraints, as Freud feared. Take me for example, I cannot stop crying this morning because I am extremely happy. I have absolutely no control over it. Of course, I am a woolly-headed little lady so it's alright for me to sob into my hankie. Unfortunately for the gentlemen living in your gender-polarised society over there in Kenya, there is no way they can channel their energies into crying. Pile on peer pressure, years of oppression, financial and political crises, lack of opportunity and expectation and I'm sadly unsurprised at the ensuing crime. I am peculiarly struck by the American Dream this morning. I can feel the "we can achieve whatever we want to" vibe floating over the pond. I can feel buoyed up by it and hopeful about my own future. I feel sorry today for those people that can be energised by today's political and historical landmark but lack the peace of mind to embrace it in a positive way. I cannot imagine what their lives have been up to this point.

Waffle waffle waffle, eh? Sleep deprivation you see.

PJ, strap 'em down. I'm still bfing and it's the only way.