Three spikes and they're out. Whose teeth will be next?

[Essie3]

Seeing as it's a quiet time...

Thanks for the nice comments about Peter in his pram suit . There is some irony that he wears the pramsuit to go in the baby carrier because he objects to his push chair so much

Regarding tiredness, I have had moments when I have staggered and felt dizzy whilst going from our room to Peter's room in the middle of the night.

16 week jabs here today (although 2 weeks late). A mixed reaction from P. Currently he is quite happy and shouting at his caterpillar. Earlier on we had inconsolable wailing.

Allnew - maybe it's a 'age' thing. Our babas born the same day, and mine is waking more than ever too. Not just for food, but to wriggle! She has got a cold though, and is teething. Has just gone to bed with 5ml of Calpol and a sachet of Teetha powder in her and 7oz of milk heres hoping for a better night.
Oh and the nursery I went to see today is a deffinate no no. They had this big rug in the middle of the room and It was FILTHY!!! I expect a certain amount of mess but I kinda thought if It where my nursery, food would be eaten away from the play area so it was easy to mop up, and maybe playmats that you could wash would be used for 'playing' on. Im gutted, It would have been perfect for getting to work plus the school breakfast club drop beforehand. I wouldn't send a dog there tho. The search continues and Im a bit worried....

I definitely think this restlessness is an age thing as practically everyone has it bad including RL friend with baby 2 weeks older.

Sympathy to all having terrible sleepless nights but I do feel better for knowing that I'm not the only one who feels physically ill because of it. Had to have a blood test today to check my iron levels after 4 months of those bloody iron tablets and I got the concerned look from the nurse again who wanted to ask me 'how I was'. I must look awful. It didn't help that I walked into the door and that my arm is covered in burns from my fish frying accident.

PS tried the baby rice again today after yesterday's failure (even though I said I would try next week but my chair came ) and Luke munched the lot. Was only one weaning spoon of baby rice mixed with formula but at least I know he can now. Still can't be arsed to start doing it properly though. He wouldn't drink his milk afterwards and I'm more keen he does that than eats solids.

thanks fungle and amber. Hopefully it is just a stage, and there is light at the end of the tunnel (I say optimistically as I listen to the screaming from above)

fungle sorry to hear about the nursery. I found it very demoralising when looking, but you def know when you've found the one you're happy with

amber at your burns. Sounds like Luke is going to like his food!

Thanks for the comments and support. I suppose I'm glad that we have a diagnosis now, and B's reflux is being properly treated (rather than HV recommending colic treatments - how long did we try those???!!! Gah!). Night time screaming is soooo much better now - mostly bad temper, because the little monkey just will not take proper daytime naps - maybe 2-3 short naps - they hardly ever last an hour, and sometimes only 15 minutes. Anyway, his night time sleep is back to normal, thank goodness.

Amber, your poor thing, sending you hugs - after my bad nights last week when we had cold, I was exhausted. Can't imagine what it would be like every night, so I really do feel for you. To echo allnew, it will pass. Take care of yourself.

Wishing all of you good nights tonight!

I'd missed that picture, Alipalli - he's lovely

Amber sorry you're feeling so crap. It won't go on forever, honest!

Fungle sorry about the nursery. It's hard enough looking round nurseries but seeing somewhere like that is very depressing.

Thought I'd better post because I've been lurking for ages. No reason really, but somehow it's easier to post in London that Wales. Don't know why.

PP hee hee, I am a temptress. (I gather from your other post on changing bags that you're a bit of a bag lady...like me?) Well, it all got a bit confused because I don't get 10% and the sale price, which is fair enough...and I decided to spend the money anyway. So I ordered a raspberry one which arrived today. Lovely bag, not sure about the colour. It's more bubblegum than raspberry really. So...I've ordered the turquoise one as well, so I can compare and contrast, and take one back. Probably the raspberry, because turquoise goes with my pram and people won't think Iestyn is a girl.
Really, I want the red more than any. But not at full price! They don't appear on e-bay either.

Sorry to all who are not turned on by bags. I really got carried away there!

Ali love the photo of Peter in his pramsuit. I will now reciprocate with a photo of Iestyn in his Tesco teddy bear number. He's not too keen on it, he lies very still moving his eyes only when I put him in it.

Hands yes, ice hands here too. I tend to hold Iestyn's hands when he's feeding at night in an attempt to warm them up and keep them off me. Mind you, I have very cold hands and feet all the time - socks to bed unless it's over 30 degrees; it's amazing that he was ever conceived - so he's probably following my lead. (PP also worried about the scratch mitts - I'm convinced they're a choking hazard for Iestyn.) The only other answer is to do away with the grobag and put him in his pramsuit which has paws... He may be so scared he could sleep through. Who knows!

Sorry all about my mindless ramblings. Bit tired and alone tonight and tomorrow night. It's our wedding anniversary and all!

Hi all, not been on for a while - have been on the weaning threads... yes they are terrifying!! I started to wean DTs last Saturday cos they had been very unsettled for a couple of weeks, feeding constantly and refusing to go to sleep in the evenings! they are 24 weeks now.

I read all the info and was really keen to wait till 26 weeks but felt they were ready. Since then they have slept so much better and have started to gain weight too. They had only been gaining a few ounces a fortnight but had them weighed today and Theo put on 9oz and Esther 12oz.

Re being cold at night - I think that was affecting their sleep... now I put them in cardigans (unbuttoned) over their vest and babygro and in a 2.5 tog sleeping bag. Prob against all SIDS advice but I wouldn't want to sleep under a 2.5 tog duvet with my arms sticking out covered in only thin cotton.

Totally agree with you on the sleeping arrangements Neenz. (Welcome back, btw!) My reasoning is as long as I'm not using a gigantic heavy feather duvet over Iestyn's face, a few extra layers must help. I live in north Wales, nothing between me and the sea (and the cold cold winds), and my walls are a foot thick. It's not a warm house!

I agree... as long as nothing is covering their face! I live on the west coast too (Merseyside) but it is milder here than where I used to live on the Lancashire moors!

What's everyone up to?

right last post of evening - welcome back Neenz have spotted you a few times this evening.

S doesn't seem to suffer with cold hands but then DH and DD hate being too wrapped up at night so hopefully the signs are good. sympathy with non sleepers, DS does not sleep during day so I am find ing it really difficult doing things during the day especially now things are quieter but still have people in but not enough to justify DH not going out to do his winter job. My mother is having him tomorrow so I can iron and do rooms as our window needs painting and has done since DH put it in in July.

It is alos our 4th wedding anniversary tomoorow and officially can say that I have been married longer to DH than he was to both his previous wives put together

Also met brothers new partner for the first time properly tonight, so a bit tired with 4 children running wild but DD loved it.

Thanks for all your replies re the icy hands, I've put Ethan in a long sleeved bodysuit, then babygro and sleeping bag tonight, so he has 2 layers on his arms, you can get bags here with detachable arms - maybe I should get one of those for winter?

Essie - love your little teddy bear - so sweet!I will put a photo of Ethan in his snowsuit. Sorry you're lonely, is it your anniversary today or tomorrow?

PP - lol at your squirty boobs

neenz - great to hear from you, how hard is it - weaning twins?

Amber - sorry you're so tired, I'll keep everything crossed that you have a better night

Sophie - Ethan likes to be where the action is, this morning we were trying to lay this floor and he wouldn't settle, anywhere, wouldn't sleep, ended up feeding him to sleep so that we could get on. I'm getting very worried about Saturday changeovers in the ski season and I don't know how we're going to manage. What does your dh do in the winter then?

My brother wants him to atrt repairing the estate wall (7 miles longh so should keep him busy) and also he does a lot of shooting. We will get through it Deb

Oh, 5GoMad (and to answer your question, Debs) it's our wedding anniversary tomorrow, and even more freaky, it's also our fourth! Wasn't it a dreadful day, weather-wise? Congratulations, and I hope you double and quadruple it! (Also loved reading about Sebastian's Christening, so congratulations on that.)
Got any good linen gifts? We try to keep it themed but we're struggling with linen!

Hi 5GoMad... weaning twins is not so bad, just like everything else about twins. I don't know any different!

I am very lucky cos they have a great routine, sleep all night till 8am and have three naps a day (Theo has even started to sleep longer at lunch after starting solids)

I am going to try baby led weaning but at the moment they have not been interested in finger food. Tried them with pear and they didn't seem to even notice it let alone try to pick it up and eat it. Tried pumpkin today cos thought the orange colour might tempt them a bit (pear just blends into the highchair tray!). Theo tried to grab it but it kept sliding away from him. Esther didn't notice it but loves sitting in her highchair.

Esther wouldn't go to sleep tonight so have tried her with a dummy for the first time in about two months and she has really gone for it. She often cries herself to sleep for 20 mins or so, tonight she kept dropping off then waking up again five minutes later but since I gave her the dummy she has stayed asleep. Fingers crossed. I would love her to have a dummy if it stops her crying herself to sleep. Kind of hope I don't have to get out of bed in the night all the time to put it back in but if it keeps her happy I don't mind. How is everyone else getting on with dummies?

NEenz we did a mixture of both, started on puress and then once she was sat up on her own started her on toast with humus, philidelphia etc, smoked mackerel, chicken, that seemed to work well.

Happy Anniversary Essie that is strange and we didn't even do cards this year (we usually go out for a lovely meal but have to go somewhere else this Sunday)

Neenz, which highchair did you opt for? I need a new one so am interested in what everyone else has! Both ds and dd threw up alot with food so really need one with detachable straps/cover or at least detachable straps and wipeable cover.

What highchair did everyone else plump for, as I will be buying mine mine week and haven't a clue so far!

5GoMad - that's great cos I am doing purees at mo and they are liking them and I was worried that doing purees might mean they can't be bothered with finger food but good to see you can combine two.

Sybil, it is the IKEA Antilop, it was £14! They are great cos it's plastic so very easy to clean, only downside is it doesn't fold so if you are short on space may not be best option. Doesn't stack either so even with my big kitchen two take up a lot of room. You can take the legs off which would make it a bit easier to store away if you wanted to. It is certainly very popular on MN.

Well after bragging that my two sleep all night they both had me up at 3am last night and Theo as well at 6.45am! Bless him though he was soaking wet and I didn't even realise. They don't normally need their nappies changing in the night (but didn't put booster is his last night). Slept in till 8.30am this morning tho.

morning all - don't know if it helped but tried the long sleeved bodysuit last night, then when i went to bed and e wasn't sucking any fingers i pulled the sleeves of body suit and babygro over his hands a little - he slept through no 4 am wake up call - hurrah. might help someone else or it might be a fluke!!!

happy anniversary essie and sophie

A much better night here too, although I would still kill for a full nights sleep and a lie in. It's my birthday on Saturday and that may well be what I ask for!

Amber - Re: tiredness, speaking to a fellow MN'r I referred to Anne Robinson as the patron saint of the Alzheimers Society. Patron? Yes. Saint? No. But like AliP, I get worried when I feel physically dizzy because I worry about my ability to look after R (what if I faint and drop him...?). I have been very lucky though and have only rarely felt that seriously sleep deprived. Do you still have the night nanny?

Bedsheets and summer suits are all that I can think of for linen Essie. Not great I'm afraid. Happy wedding anniversaries to you and Sophie anyway! I do want another changing bag and but I don't need one at all....I think I'll hint for a nice handbag (not changing bag) for Xmas instead. But in my heart of hearts I want the Lin and Leo in either chocolate or red, but of the bargain { at £100 being a bargain) ones I too would probably go for turquoise.

Neenz - Sometimes a dummy helps R sleep (or just not cry), but it is very rare now. I think they naturally reject them after a while because it used to be essential to have one handy at all times. We've been lucky in that R doesn't wake up when the dummy falls out.

Cold hands/Grobags, etc. We did put R in a long sleeved pram suit for a few nights, but I got so paranoid about him overheating we just bought more 2.5 togs instead. I've only been using s/s body suits though, think I'll start using l/s ones like you Deb.

Happy anniversaries to essie and sophie and happy birthday to pp for Saturday
Isaac seems to suck his thumb for most of the night if he wakes up so don't cover his hands and he just has to deal with it. He wears short sleeved bodysuit, sleepsuit and gro bag in bed, once we get our winter duvet out am going to swop short sleeved for long sleeved bodysuit. They do have fleecy babygro's in primark (I know it is not good for ethical reasons but they are cheap)
Have been up since 6 this am as DH has CEO's of Yum and P.H coming today so have been in painting for him, and preparing some food. Fed Isaac before we left then popped him in a sling (had to cover his head to prevent emulsion falling on it) and he slept until the Freezer alarm went off.
Need to finish the packing for this weekend and practice with the travel cot

Can I just ask a question for those of you who have taken lo's swimming - did you bring any swimming aids (armbands/ring?). Not sure I'm confident enough to go without. Also did you buy swimming shorts/suit?

Allnew, used swim nappies when took DTs swimming. Didn't use any swimming aids - you don't need them, I promise you will not let your LO go! But can understand why you feel nervous.

I was dunking mine under the water and everything, they loved it.

I don't like armbands cos your LO will never learn to swim properly with armbands on cos they can't get their face in the water, it just hinders them.

Makecakes is back and she has a new name, though this weaning thing does leaves less time for interwebbing.

Wanted to say that for sleeping at night I was recommended these by a friend from NZ and they are fantabulous. Cecily's room gets quite cold at night in our new house and she's always snuggly in the morning...they don't cover her hands but as she sleeps with her body pressed up against the cot bumper, the're usually still warm when she wakes up.