APRIL 2008 - The One Where They Can Eat Food!!!!

[VictorianSqualor]

Our Babies

07 March: Ashton, a fourth child for gemprincess, 5lb 13oz @ 34+6
09 March: Ted, a second DS for Daftmoo, 7lb 14oz @ 36+0
21 March: George William, a first baby for KnitterintheNW, 7lb 2.5oz @ 37+3
25 March: Olivia, a second baby for TheMaskedPoster, 7lb 2oz @ 38+4
28 March: Pablo, a third baby and first DS for vacaloca, 7lb 14oz @ 39+4
28 March: Matteo Alexander, a first baby for Gangle @ 38+0 (?)
30 March: A baby girl, a second child for PortAndLemon, 8lb 15oz @ 39+5
02 April: Jak, a baby boy for rainbowdays, 9lb @ 39+1
02 April: A baby boy, a second child for bunyanvillas, 6lb 14oz @ 37+5
02April: Struan, a baby boy for Donnabels, 6lbs 15oz
02 April: A baby boy for mummyofaprincess @39 weeks
03 April: A baby girl for PippiCalzelunghe @38+2weeks
03 April: Aeryn Daisy, a baby girl for Denny185, 9lb 8oz @ 39+3
03 April: Benjamin, a baby boy for Micegg, 8lb 3oz @ 39+4
03 April: Roelof Grové, a first DS for SalLikesCoffee, 7lb 5oz @ 38+5
03 April: A baby boy for siikibam, 6lb 8.5oz @39+1wks
04 April: Matilda, a baby girl for AprilsFoolsBaby 7lb @
05 April: Ellis, a baby girl for MadameOvary
06 April: Henry Peter, a baby boy for Sheds, 7lb 130z @ 40+4
07 April: Sebastian George, a fourth DS for Peachy, 8lb 4oz @ 41+1
07 April: Jack, a first baby for ThePFJ, 7lb 5.5oz @ 41+1
07 April: Lexie Bea, a fourth baby for babywhiting, 8lb 1oz @ 39+4
08 April: Alasdair, a second DS for bunnyrabbit, 8lb 5.5oz @ 40+3
08 April: James Samuel, a third baby for honeybee10, 6lb 7oz @ 37+2
09 April: Zara Mia Martin, a first baby for V1KK1M, 7lb 10oz @ 41+0
09 April: Jasmine, a baby gilr for Niceychops
11 April: Kyran for rdk, 7lb 13oz @ 38+3weeks
11 April: Sebastian James, a second baby for Fleecy, 10lb 2oz @ 40+4
11 April: A baby girl, a first baby for CeylonSapphire, 7lb 12oz @ 41+1
11th April: Florence, a baby girl for LouMoose
12 April: Maya Alice, a first baby for egyptianprincess, 8lb 15.5oz @ 40+3
12 April: Sophia Viviana, a second DD for AussieDivaonaBreak, 6lb 12oz @ 39+3
15 April: Alexander Oliver, a third baby for VictorianSqualor, 10lb 3oz @ 41+0
16 April: Ailish, a first baby for Mollyfloss, 6lb 11oz @ 40+3
16 April: A baby girl, a second baby for elfsmummy, 7lb 13oz @ 41+1
16 April: Zoe, a baby girl, a first baby for ToastAddict, 6lb 10oz @ 39+3
16 April: Jasmin, a baby girl, a first baby for Eggandketchup, 9lb 3oz @ 41+4
17 April: A baby boy for paranoidmumy, 8lb 9oz @ 41+4
17 April: A baby boy, a second son for lorisparkle, 7lb 12.5oz @ 41+6
17 April: Benedict, first baby for LadyBee 9 lb 3oz @ 41 +2
18 April: Millie, a baby girl for scorpio1 8lb 9oz @ 41+?
18 April: Cameron, a second baby for munchkinmum @ 39+5
19 April: Oliver Michael, first baby for bashboid, 7 lb 4 oz at 41 +3
20 April: Samuel, a first baby for Velbels. 8lb15oz at 41+1weeks.
20 April: Angharad Mai, 8lb 4oz, 40+6, first for 7monthsplus
20 April: Emilia, 7lb15oz, a first baby for SuzeM, 40+6
20 April: A baby girl for SushiMama
21 April: Eve, a second baby for OMaLittle, 8lb 4oz @ 39+3
21 April: A second DD for Monmoo
22 April: Sam, a second son for Soph73 @ 40+0
22 April: Molly, a first baby for EllieG, 8lb 8oz? @ 40+5
22 April: Daisy, second baby for AttilaTheHan @ 40 +3
22 April: Zoe Olivia, second daughter for Piccallilli2 7lb 1oz @42+1
22 April: A second DD for blinks.
23 April: Jessica Elizabeth, first baby for BabyBratt @ 40+1 7lb 12oz.
24 April: A baby girl, a second daughter for christmaspixie, 9lb 2oz @ 40+6/41+5
24 April: Miya Jade, baby girl for ShelleySare at 39+4
25 April: Amelie, a first baby for Dondons, 9lb, 41+3 (i think!)
25 April: Aisha, a second baby for Jaq39 7lb 14oz @ 41+4
26 April: Hope Olivia, a second dd for northeastmummy, 7lb 11oz at 41 .
26 April: Gabriel, a third child for Bainmarie @ 41+5
26 April: Eli Michael, a baby boy for LittleMissTurquoise, 7lb 15.5oz @ 40+5
27 April: a baby girl for Ayomi, 6lb 1oz @ 41+0
28 April: Jacob Andrew, a 2nd DS for Kaybeeand2boys, 8lb 4oz @ 41+5
29 April: Thomas Henry, a 2nd DS for TLSM, 7lb 8oz 40+3
30 April: Harry Samuel, a fourth ds for Chipmonkey, 9lb 5oz @ 39+2
30 April: Ellie, a baby girl for Annamama
30 April: A second DD for luckymummy74
01 May: Sophie May, a baby grl for Annieroo, 6lb 5oz @ 41+4
01 May: Euan George, a baby boy for Jenniejennie, 8lb @ 40+4
02 May: Robyn Olivia, a baby girl for soph28, 8lb 1oz @ 42+1
05 May: Nora Martina, a first baby for Eva07, 7lb 8oz @ 41+2
05 May: A baby boy for Beeper, 8lb 10oz @ 41+0
05 May: Gabriella Summer, a first baby for MommyHasAHeadache, 8lb 4oz @ 40+6
06 May: Wilf, 8lb 60z for bigbadmom @ 41+6
07 May: James Andrew, a second ds for Moominsmummy, 8lb 13oz @ 41+5
08 May: Ellie Isabella, a first baby for Carey87, 7 lb 8oz @ 42+1
08 May: Robin David, a 2nd baby for Woollymummy, 8lb 11 oz @ 41+3
09 May: 4 kittens for scorpio's cat!
10 May: Astrid Mary, a second dd for TheShipsCat, 8lb 8oz @ 42+0

No! No more arguments please!
She's on the BF chart, and yes, that does make sense about her being more active etc. Its silly really, I am caught between what you would do and what HV said. Also there's considerable pressure in RL . My mum is looking after A for a week while I'm away, and I know - whether I've started weaning or not - that she will be cooking up purees all week. Not a good reason for starting, but I want to be there when she eats her first food.
Oh well. I'm sure it'll be OK whatever I do. Got to go, BFing duty.

When are you going away?

In 2 weeks

sorry, 3 weeks

What do you think about BLW? If that's something you put your faith in then you could try that before you go? Personally if I didn't want to wean my baby yet and was worried that my mum might start I'd probably tell a little white lie about how I was told (by some Health professional or other) not to wean yet and give mum a different job, like telling mum just how much you really need her to start using a cup or something, so mum feels she has a job to do.
If you wanted to wait you could also ask your mum to cook up some purees in anticipation for when you do start and freeze them etc?

4 weks is what, a fifth of his life! thats quite a lot really

when it ges to 2 weeks I find it negligible just on the old due daytes thing- 'term' si really a phrase that encompasses 2 weeks either side of the edd and a baby born within that doesn't get date adjusted.

I think 4 weeks is tto much personally, unless a Paed says otherwise.

Thanks, vs and peach. great idea of what to tell my mum. Also, she was 2 weeks late, so maybe I'll try blw in a week or two...

Thanks...

Oh, you're not still at it, are you?? Just joking, hi everyone.

Thanks for everyone's e-mails and texts, I really appreciated it. I'm now ok again and have stopped sobbing like a complete nutter. Don't know what happened there - think it's just too much that happened at once.

TSC, good luck with your decision. So annoying to be given such generalised info - hard enough to decide with specific info, but a "might as well" advice doesn't help, does it?

Welcome back Sal.

Thanks very much vs, glad to be back!

Hi Sal Hope you are feeling better now

Mimi has just demolished half a nectarine!

I am, thank you very much! I've caught up with all the posts, glad to hear all better with your dh now too.

Wow, Mimi's obviously not going to have a problem with different tastes in her diet!

I want to go to Naval Museum, but R just fell asleep and I can't get myself to wake him up, he sleeps so peacefully. Apparently the weather's going to become rubbish from next week, so I'll definitely go out this afternoon.

We walked into town and back today, nice walk good to get out!

Am just amazed at Mimi, have never seen BLW in RL! Got her some rubbery bibs with a scoop today

Hello everyone, Hello Sal!! Thread seems strange without you (and R)! R is gorgeous, he looks so well-built.

Izzy's so tiny. Also dropped completely in percentile. I don't even bother to weigh her anymore otherwise, I'd get comments on why I persist in only giving her breastmilk.

Anyway, thanks DonDons, Scorpio and VS for sharing your schedules. It seems that the problem I have is that she is not sleeping, even during the day for more than 45 minutes (and that's only when I'm lucky too!) And when she is awake she wants me to watch her play. No wonder I don't get time to do anything- not even eating or No 2s! Which leads me to the next question, how do you get them to sleep during the day? Do I have to sort the night time sleep first? How did you go anal VS?

Also, LadyBee, wanted to ask where you got the snot-sucker? Seem to recall you got one of those for Benedict and it did clear his nose? Thanks

Hi SushiMama!

R's sleeping during the day started off really short but have eventually sorted itself. In our case what helped was when I eventually figured out his "signs". If he rubs his eyes, even if only once, I give him a little milk (not always full feed, but it "pushes him over the edge") and then take him to his room. I've tried to let him nap with me, but he always wakes up within 30 mins if here. Otherwise he gets a bit overtired and won't sleep properly. Also, if he wakes up in his room after, say, 15 minutes, I just pop in quietly, without eye contact or smile, and pop his dummy in his mouth or hold my hand on his tummy or head.
Not sure if this'll help as they all differ, but that's what works for me. Good luck!

Re snot-sucker - mine's a bit simpler (came as part of first-aid kit), but this from Boots seems similar and should do the job. Just a warning - he hates it and screams blue murder while I'm doing it (he also hates it when I wipe his nose - I suspect it's a "boy thing" ). I use saline drops first if he's really congested, makes it easier to clear his nose.

Like Sal it was really learning his cues. Some babies will (like R) rub their eyes at the perfect moment, with A it's a yawn and then a whinge he kind of growls. So as soon as he does I feed him and put him straight down in his cot. If he wakes up I leave him at first, normally he is still half asleep and grizzles back to sleep.

I started with the bedtime. Every night at 7:15 on the dot, it's shower time, everyone else's routines can go off on a tangent, but not his. So 7:15, shower, in there for at least 10 minutes, he lies on the floor on his tummy splashing. Straight out of there, into his sleepsuit, feed and bed. No messing, no attention, no-one else around, feed and straight to bed.

I then added in a dream feed at 11pm (only did this for about a week but it worked to get him on track) he would wake at about 4, feed and then I or DP wakes him at 7:30. We don't feed when he gets up any more, except for his apple I noticed he was taking quite a feed then not being hungry until quite late, so we don't feed until I have done the school run at 9am. At this feed he takes quite a lot and gets sleepy, so bed straight away.

If he wouldn't go to sleep I made him tired. Lots of play a long shower and a quiet feed. I was determined he was going to get a nap routine and I can't do controlled crying. I did do PUPD(pick up put down) a few times though. Basically just pick him up when he is about to go from whinging to crying and calm him down, then put him back once calm. Eventually they go to sleep.

I think it took us about two weeks in total to get the daytime naps sorted, but if they don't go to plan or he doesn't go to bed at the right time it all messes up again, and he wakes loads in the night. If I go straight back to the proper naps though he slips right back in.

I'm nowhere near as anal now he had a nap at about 9 until 11:20 today (when I had to wake him) and as yet has not had an afternoon nap, I'll put him down for one soon, DP is just showering him as he had another weaning nappy As long as he has a nap for 45 minutes (an average length sleep cycle) or more and is able to be woken up at 3:00 out of that nap, it'll work, so I have twenty minutes to get him to sleep and that's how I work it out. He'll than have another nap for the same length at about 4:30ish, and be woken up by 5:30, in time for play, dinner, shower, feed, bed.

Now we have sorted it it works much easier, as long as he has three short naps a day or 2 long naps (thursday Dd has clubs after school and we have to pick her up at 4:15, so I leave him to sleep for about 2+ hour for his 2pm nap and cut the 4pm one out) then he sleeps well at night.

you shower alex? do you get in too, or just leave him on the floor? sorry for crap one-handed typing...might try that tonight...

hi sal, glad you're back

Hi Sal, lovely to have you back.
I think Benedict might be moving to wanting two long naps rather than the three he always had - he's really fighting going down early, although he falls asleep while I'm feeding him...oh I don't know.
This is what is happening at the mo'.
He wakes up around 7, DP changes and brings into our room for a cuddle and 'half' feed around 7:30.
Downstairs for play, while I have breakfast, then back upstairs for second breakfast around 8:30 and he falls asleep while feeding.
Normally I would just put him down at 9am, but now I do and he wakes and seems to think he's had his nap and wants out.

• spent a full two hours trying to get him to nap with him crying and me going in to settle. Finally went to sleep at 11 and slept for 2 1/2 hours.

Then he BF, then down for play while I got his and my lunch things - had lunch together, then him down for wriggle while I cleaned up and then put him down for nap at a little after 4pm. Seems to be sleeping ok, and went down ok with initial fussing. Just don't know quite what to do about the morning - maybe feed and let him doze but not try to put down until a bit later?

This could just be a hiccup because I've been out everyday so far this week so pattern of napping did get quite messed up.

I'm not sure pear agrees with Benedict

oh that snot-sucker Sal linked to is the one I've got. B hates it with a passion. He also hates the nasal drops but I can usually sneak those into him without him realising so long as I give a good squirt and try to get both nostrils in one go.
I think the snot-sucker only really works if there's runny mucus visible at the entrance of the nostril (sorry, TMI) and then only occassionally. It's quite satisfying when you do get it to work but horrible doing it to a screaming LO.

Welcome back Sal!

We have the same snot sucker and Gigi doesn't mind it as long as she is in an okay mood and is not too tired. I also find that it does suck snot out from quite far back, but like I said - only when she is calm.

We had to also get some sort of day time routine into motion, and Gigi has 3 short naps (approx. 45 min ea) a day - the most important one being the 4pm one. If she misses that one it mucks up her night-time sleep terribly. I just bung her in her cot, let her grizzle for a while and she falls asleep on her own. Night-time is a little different for some reason - can't just bung her in her cot - she won't have it. My routine is similar to VS's - bath, sleepsuit, bottle and bed, But she generally has to fall asleep on the bottle. I really hope I am not now jinxing things but saying all this!! If she has had her 4pm nap, then she will generally fall asleep by 7:30pm, and sleep to about (hmm, what do I write here as she has been waking at between 4 - 6am lately and singing and partying away), anyway, she used to sleep to about 8am, with a dreamfeed at about 10:30pm and another feed at about 4am. Once awake, I give her a bottle - and then put her into bed next to me and we both sleep until about 8:30am/9am. I need the sleep - have discovered that if I don't get enough sleep, I get vertigo (as I do now). Next nap is at about 11:30am. So it may have taken a while to get this whole routine going, but it seems to work pretty well now.

How much food do the babies need? I'm getting myself in a tizz because he doesn't seem to give me any indication that he's had enough, so worry that I'm not giving enough, but then he's still possetting up milk when I feed him which makes me feel like he's got a full tum still.
I'm probably giving about 2-3 decent teaspoons of a vege puree OR baby rice, and some un-mushed thing, like two quarters of a pear OR a few wedges of baked sweet potato AND/OR a rice cake - most of which ends up on the tray.

It doesn't seem like very much but he seems to come off me and posset quicker than he did. Or is it just that milk comes up and other things don't?

LAdyBee, they don't need any food as yet, so don't fret. It's all about textures, flavour and introduction to the system. If you look on this thread I had some pretty good advice from my HV (except the confusing allergens thingy) about why and how much. Also if LO is fighting the mid-morning feed have you thought about cutting out the half-feed at 7:30? that's what helped us.

Sagitta, when we moved a month ago we moved to a house with no bath, so we have to shower Alex now, we put him on his belly in the shower cubicle and he just lays on the floor and splashes, he LOVES it. In fact I'll add some pix onto my profile so check them out.

Hi sal
just took bas out in a mei hip I got from ebay, fab and highly recommended

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Alex looks so cute and happy in the shower!!

Hope you are ok, Peachy?