APRIL 2008 - The One Where We Step Away From The Psycho Pill and Try Not To Need Pregnancy Tests!!!

[VictorianSqualor]

Our Babies

07 March: Ashton, a fourth child for gemprincess, 5lb 13oz @ 34+6
09 March: Ted, a second DS for Daftmoo, 7lb 14oz @ 36+0
21 March: George William, a first baby for KnitterintheNW, 7lb 2.5oz @ 37+3
25 March: Olivia, a second baby for TheMaskedPoster, 7lb 2oz @ 38+4
28 March: Pablo, a third baby and first DS for vacaloca, 7lb 14oz @ 39+4
28 March: Matteo Alexander, a first baby for Gangle @ 38+0 (?)
30 March: A baby girl, a second child for PortAndLemon, 8lb 15oz @ 39+5
02 April: Jak, a baby boy for rainbowdays, 9lb @ 39+1
02 April: A baby boy, a second child for bunyanvillas, 6lb 14oz @ 37+5
02April: Struan, a baby boy for Donnabels, 6lbs 15oz
02 April: A baby boy for mummyofaprincess @39 weeks
03 April: A baby girl for PippiCalzelunghe @38+2weeks
03 April: Aeryn Daisy, a baby girl for Denny185, 9lb 8oz @ 39+3
03 April: Benjamin, a baby boy for Micegg, 8lb 3oz @ 39+4
03 April: Roelof Grové, a first DS for SalLikesCoffee, 7lb 5oz @ 38+5
03 April: A baby boy for siikibam, 6lb 8.5oz @39+1wks
04 April: Matilda, a baby girl for AprilsFoolsBaby 7lb @
05 April: Ellis, a baby girl for MadameOvary
06 April: Henry Peter, a baby boy for Sheds, 7lb 130z @ 40+4
07 April: Sebastian George, a fourth DS for Peachy, 8lb 4oz @ 41+1
07 April: Jack, a first baby for ThePFJ, 7lb 5.5oz @ 41+1
07 April: Lexie Bea, a fourth baby for babywhiting, 8lb 1oz @ 39+4
08 April: Alasdair, a second DS for bunnyrabbit, 8lb 5.5oz @ 40+3
08 April: James Samuel, a third baby for honeybee10, 6lb 7oz @ 37+2
09 April: Zara Mia Martin, a first baby for V1KK1M, 7lb 10oz @ 41+0
09 April: Jasmine, a baby gilr for Niceychops
11 April: Kyran for rdk, 7lb 13oz @ 38+3weeks
11 April: Sebastian James, a second baby for Fleecy, 10lb 2oz @ 40+4
11 April: A baby girl, a first baby for CeylonSapphire, 7lb 12oz @ 41+1
11th April: Florence, a baby girl for LouMoose
12 April: Maya Alice, a first baby for egyptianprincess, 8lb 15.5oz @ 40+3
12 April: Sophia Viviana, a second DD for AussieDivaonaBreak, 6lb 12oz @ 39+3
15 April: Alexander Oliver, a third baby for VictorianSqualor, 10lb 3oz @ 41+0
16 April: Ailish, a first baby for Mollyfloss, 6lb 11oz @ 40+3
16 April: A baby girl, a second baby for elfsmummy, 7lb 13oz @ 41+1
16 April: Zoe, a baby girl, a first baby for ToastAddict, 6lb 10oz @ 39+3
16 April: Jasmin, a baby girl, a first baby for Eggandketchup, 9lb 3oz @ 41+4
17 April: A baby boy for paranoidmumy, 8lb 9oz @ 41+4
17 April: A baby boy, a second son for lorisparkle, 7lb 12.5oz @ 41+6
17 April: Benedict, first baby for LadyBee 9 lb 3oz @ 41 +2
18 April: Millie, a baby girl for scorpio1 8lb 9oz @ 41+?
18 April: Cameron, a second baby for munchkinmum @ 39+5
19 April: Oliver Michael, first baby for bashboid, 7 lb 4 oz at 41 +3
20 April: Samuel, a first baby for Velbels. 8lb15oz at 41+1weeks.
20 April: Angharad Mai, 8lb 4oz, 40+6, first for 7monthsplus
20 April: Emilia, 7lb15oz, a first baby for SuzeM, 40+6
20 April: A baby girl for SushiMama
21 April: Eve, a second baby for OMaLittle, 8lb 4oz @ 39+3
21 April: A second DD for Monmoo
22 April: Sam, a second son for Soph73 @ 40+0
22 April: Molly, a first baby for EllieG, 8lb 8oz? @ 40+5
22 April: Daisy, second baby for AttilaTheHan @ 40 +3
22 April: Zoe Olivia, second daughter for Piccallilli2 7lb 1oz @42+1
22 April: A second DD for blinks.
23 April: Jessica Elizabeth, first baby for BabyBratt @ 40+1 7lb 12oz.
24 April: A baby girl, a second daughter for christmaspixie, 9lb 2oz @ 40+6/41+5
24 April: Miya Jade, baby girl for ShelleySare at 39+4
25 April: Amelie, a first baby for Dondons, 9lb, 41+3 (i think!)
25 April: Aisha, a second baby for Jaq39 7lb 14oz @ 41+4
26 April: Hope Olivia, a second dd for northeastmummy, 7lb 11oz at 41 .
26 April: Gabriel, a third child for Bainmarie @ 41+5
26 April: Eli Michael, a baby boy for LittleMissTurquoise, 7lb 15.5oz @ 40+5
27 April: a baby girl for Ayomi, 6lb 1oz @ 41+0
28 April: Jacob Andrew, a 2nd DS for Kaybeeand2boys, 8lb 4oz @ 41+5
29 April: Thomas Henry, a 2nd DS for TLSM, 7lb 8oz 40+3
30 April: Harry Samuel, a fourth ds for Chipmonkey, 9lb 5oz @ 39+2
30 April: Ellie, a baby girl for Annamama
30 April: A second DD for luckymummy74
01 May: Sophie May, a baby grl for Annieroo, 6lb 5oz @ 41+4
01 May: Euan George, a baby boy for Jenniejennie, 8lb @ 40+4
02 May: Robyn Olivia, a baby girl for soph28, 8lb 1oz @ 42+1
05 May: Nora Martina, a first baby for Eva07, 7lb 8oz @ 41+2
05 May: A baby boy for Beeper, 8lb 10oz @ 41+0
05 May: Gabriella Summer, a first baby for MommyHasAHeadache, 8lb 4oz @ 40+6
06 May: Wilf, 8lb 60z for bigbadmom @ 41+6
07 May: James Andrew, a second ds for Moominsmummy, 8lb 13oz @ 41+5
08 May: Ellie Isabella, a first baby for Carey87, 7 lb 8oz @ 42+1
08 May: Robin David, a 2nd baby for Woollymummy, 8lb 11 oz @ 41+3
09 May: 4 kittens for scorpio's cat!
10 May: Astrid Mary, a second dd for sagitta, 8lb 8oz @ 42+0

Hi everyone
I haven't posted for ages but just had a couple of questions...
Jacob has become uninterested in milk all of a sudden, he will only take about 3 or 4 oz each feed, and i'm not sure what to do! Never had this prob with Zak who polished off almost 8oz every feed! It's been going on for a while now and am worried as he isnt putting on as much weight as he was before. He was on the 75th percentile before but is going down towards the 50th........
He is 18weeks 2 days so technically not old enough for starting solids, but he is def intereested in food,he smacks his lips when we eat and tries to grab stuff, should I just give him some???
He also has gone from sleeping thru (well, 8pm - 5.30am) to waking every night.

They only changed the ge limits because apparently some parents weren't checking the ingredients and then were doubling up with other medications containing the same active ingredients. There were a bunch of threads on here about it. So if you're not giving him anything else then personally I'd go ahead and give him the old recommended dose for his age.

First thing I have to say is that Scorpio is officially the sweetest girl ever - I have a massive box of chocolates to see me through today after my bad night last night. (Up from 1-2 and 3-5). I shouldn't complain as it's only about three weeks since that was the norm!

WOOHOO LadyBee! Go Benedict, go Benedict...

Sorry, Kaybee, no advice, I remember DD1 losing interest at this age due to being too interested in everything else. Just perseverance saw us through! Only thing I would add is that he's probably not hungry if he's not taking as much milk so personally I would definitely hold out for solids. Love your boys' names, by the way.

Right, DD1 at nursery and DD2 asleep, so I am heading to bed.

Thanks again Scorpio!!

oh I see, so babies were getting double doses of paracetamol etc., I'll see how he goes today and think about picking some up this afternoon - might have to go away from my local pharmacy..they know my baby too well!

Kaybee - my DS also seem to be taking much less at each feed during the days, but I think it's just because he's soooo interested in everything else that's going on he just gets distracted once his initial hunger is satisfied with a snack. Feeding in public is impossible!!
I make sure his first and last feeds are in a quiet dark room and he usually feeds a lot longer for those ones, often in two stages with about a 20 min break in between.
We haven't had any slow in weight gain but he's also staring all goggle-eyed at me when I eat and grabs at my plate and glasses when I have him on my knee.
Don't have an answer for you about whether to give food, but I'm sure someone else will be along with advice

Kaybee, no, don't give him food.

The only way you can tell a baby is physically ready for food is that they have hit 26 weeks.

If you really think your LO is ready for food the best thing to do is put them in a highchair and give them some steamed veg to see how they act. If they are able to sit up straight unaided, use the pincher grip to pick up food, put it in their mouth, chew it and swallow then they are likely to be ready, until then they are not and you could cause harm.

Sorry to everyone that is weaning already but as not one of the babies are sitting up unaided consistently, not one of the babies on this thread are ready for weaning, be it half a spoon of baby rice or a big mac. You're risking allergies/intolerances/IBS/Crohns and more.

Can I ask why everyone has suddenly decided to risk this even knowing the food is currently making it's way through your babies stomach wall into their blood stream?

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it's not like you don't know the facts.

OMa - hope they're nice!

Mimi is doing just fine on just her milk - hold off food, just keep trying the milk! Milk has more calories in it than anything you could give him now anyway.

oh and sods law - sun shining - and i have to stay in ALL DAY for parcel, boiler man and washing machine man!

scorpio- we (whole peachy family) saw the feeling live last month

exceptionally good.

Sorry VS but that made me a bit [angr] (sleepless night to)- you know why we are weaning Bas! It wasn't a choice issue, it was because Paeds said and if you choose to gnore their advice they have the option of a SS referral, esp. a famil like ours

was he hot??

Peachy, sorry, I thought you'd realise I didn't mean you. Bas has other reasons for weaning and you've seen a paed, so you have genuine reason to wean him.

I just don't understand why everyone else is.

VS, I was talking to our BF coordinator/HV about it and she said to aim for 24 weeks so that he's started by 26 weeks, and can start slowly. He'll be 24 weeks in 2 days. He's a lot calmer today so I think I'll hold off til the weekend to try again.

That's why I'm doing it.

So there.

But knitter, your bf lady is trained in breastfeeding, not readiness for weaning.

How do you know that? Do you know her?

Don't want to start an argument, just saying.

If she knew anything about weaning knitter she wouldn't advocate feeding your baby before 26 weeks.

I don't want to argue either

I just get really frustrated with professionals giving out information that is leading to a higher risk of problems in the future.

I don't understand 'aim for 24 weeks so he is started by 26' either, as soon as you give food you've started.

If anyone wants to know more about the guidelines and why it's 26 weeks read this

Gah, I was so sure before. Now I'm not.

Ultimately it's down to you, and it's very likely you haven't caused any issues yet, and quite possible you won't, I just daren't take the risk.

Do what you want to do, but just be informed

My period appears to have made a comeback - 11 weeks after the last one, lol.

would be just when im going on holiday!

So all of us who were weaned as babies before 26 weeks, and all those who did as recommended with previous children before recommendations changed have caused damage?
DS1 was weaned early due to reflux and that is an issue that DS2 has also, however we are still waiting to see the paeds with him. I shall hold off for now but it is not my intention to wait until he can chew bloody vegetables.

Not necessarily kaybee, but possibly, we don't know which babies are ready to wean before 26 weeks or which babies will have problems because of it.

I weaned dd at 16weeks (Adjusted as she was prem) as it's what I was told to do then, I won't know until she is an adult if there are any issues, and I won't know that it's definitely because of that.

The only time I personally would advocate early weaning is in a situation like Peachy's, Bas has a dairy intolerance already so milk isn't necessarily the best thing for him and her Paed has advised otherwise.

The link I posted explains it all.

Oh also Kaybee, it is probably best to wait 'until he can chew bloody vegetables' (no need to swear though was there? I'm trying to help you by giving you advice) because that is when nature intends him to eat.

i too weaned at 4 months with others, as that was the advice given to mothers then. BLW was not as 'normal' as it is now, every baby was spoon fed, more or less.

Now, the research has identified 26 weeks as being the best time; milk has far more calories than a mushed up apple could ever offer.

Plus, a bonus with BLW is that you dont have to puree, mash or sieve a bloody carrot! also no stresses at introducing lumpy food by a set stage. I have never seen a baby so happy as munching on a bit of toast on its own!

Peachy has explicit 'consent' from a Paed whom she knows very well, and knows Bas' and Bas' family history and needs.

While I am mindful of the reasons for not weaning early, and am not planning to wean DD until she's 26 weeks (short of giving her lettuce etc. from my plate when she kicks off) I think you are over-egging the "must be able to sit unaided" and "must have a pincer grip" elements. DS didn't have a pincer grip until he was 8 months, and there's no guarantee a baby will be sitting unaided at 6 months. Indeed, the Rapley BLW guidelines suggest a supported seated position to begin with and expect a fist grip; the expectation is that by the time your baby is a proficient self-feeded her or she will probably be sitting unaided and have a decent pincer grip.

Personally now DD is five months I'm going to start letting her have bits of vegetable/salad from my plate if she seems to want them. As I won't be putting anything in her mouth I will be astonished if she manages to get anything into her mouth, bitten off, chewed and swallowed before she's 6 months, but in the unlikely event that she does I won't be fretting about whether she's done it with a pincer grip. Again, this is in line with the Rapley guidelines ("You can begin to do this as soon as he shows an interest in watching you,
although he is unlikely to be ready to put food in his mouth until he is about six months old.").

But PAL, if they are past 26 weeks you can be sure that they are internally ready, the sitting unaided/pincer grip etc is for if you plan to wean before 26 weeks.