January 08 shiny new - year babies, " Food, glorious food...there's nothing quite like it!"

[lilyloo]

Well done Filly

lilyloo
Can I just say how impressed I am that you remember everyone and what they've said and respond to each one.
I can't do that for toffee. My brain turns to mush!

tired, so just saying hi and goodnight, back tomorrow

yawnnnn

Yay Lilyloo is the new MrsMc (Sorry Betterhalf, was that before you joined us? her updates were famous, we all relied on her to summarise the state of our pregnancies)

Lily, what symptoms can be caused by teeth? I assumed it was a cold, but his eye has cleared up and his nose is less snotty and he is only slightly warm. Of course when he was poorly I was a bit more lenient letting him nap on me, anything to get him to sleep, so tonight he is fine, but do you think he will go in his cot? These little blighters are far too cunning! Although the silence upstairs is deafening, dh has dealt with the situation. Seems he has no mattress appeal

Is there no creche or children's work in your church? Don't worry about them making noise. God likes having kids in his house and he knows what they are like. Any tutting, their problem [raspberry emoticon].

We did not go today. dh was not on any rota and we were too bleary eyed, besides i was not sure whether to take little man and dh did not fancy going alone (going alone?? you're a bl**dy minister in this church .

Sorry for the ramble

night all

mad weekend and am totally knackered so quick post before bed.

2.5 hrs in car yesterday and 2.25hr religious service for one of dh friends then meeting 2 diff sets of friends in the pm then today another 2 and a bit hours in car motorway closed on way home from my mums my brother just had a little girl so went to visit.

poor little charlie who is renowned for good sleeping and good temper actually had a good cry at bedtime and didnt finally go to sleep til nearly nine. I think too long a sleep in car on way home and just too much on this weekend.

Also fed her the purple ellas pouch as didnt want to take my little ice cubes to mums. and i swear it practically made me gag but fed it to charlie anyway - bad mother - poor thing she is so sweet although she clearly didnt like it she still opened her little mouth for me.

ANyway sorry no personals but off to bed

Nicky poor Charlie hope she had better night for you after she settled , think that's the owrst thing about doing long journeys in car. Quite often when we go to mils we usually wait to head home until after bedtime so that they all fall asleep and then can be transferred to bed!

Why thanks betterhalf

Madm don't think i can accept MrsMc hat now they were round ups
They don't run the liturgy group in the school hols not sure why ? I tend to try and sit near other parents so as not to get the looks you can get !

Nothing much planned today dd1 got her swimming lesson this aft so taking all 3 dc's there!

Oh Mamd the tgeething thing can show many symptoms but both mine often presented with cold like symptoms and often really sore bums too! Glad he sounds better though probably just a cold then!

Lily, those looks in church wind me up. I am sure there is a nice and quiet 8 or 9am service for those who want it...

agree there is a mass at 8.30 most people are nice enough though one lady yesterday commented how lovely dd was as she sat holding hymn book and trying to sing along

Morning all

Going to meet a friend for lunch today. Her DD is a few month younger than DS and DD2 is 3 weeks younger than my DD.

Have decided we are going to the zoo tomorrow with my mum. We have one of those kellogs zoo vouchers so will use that. Think we will only have to pay for one adult as DS not 3 yet. Must remember camera for it...

On the church front me and my brother were brought up as quakers and had the childrens class when meeting was on but we had to join meeting for the last 15mins or so, pretty much sitting in silence. I remember it being very hard

Hi all,
Have speed read through, and have managed to vaguely get the gist of things again. How are you feeling barristermum? Clocked the namechange Latrucha, and hope you're feeling less blue madmouse. For everyone I've missed, big hugs and apologies if I've missed anything big.

Am shattered, and weepy. Feel like everything';s changed with this weaning business and that I have no clue what I'm doing and just 'pretending' to be a mum (well, only when it comes to feeding). Back to waking several times in the night, still not accepting bottle/beaker, am totally demoralised. Someone help re: times to give solids and milk feeds - think T is not getting enough calories in the daytime.

Plus DH decided to surprise me with a kitten, which he thought I'd love and I didn't have the heart to make him return it, and its peed all over the kitchen floor for the past two nights, and of course I've had to clean up after 'my' cat.

Oh God, can smell burning food better run.

Back now - big batch of puree for baby boiled dry on the stove totally forgot about it while googling info on weaning, best pan now totally blackened - and no more veg in cupboard to start again. Shall I scream, cry, or just run away from my life???

Frag poor you you sound very tired (((hugs)))
Get yourself ready put dd in her pram nad have a nice walk to shops to replace veg and pan
I know what you mean r/e sleep we having very little here too on a good day i am resolute with it on a bad one it's all too much (thankfully most days somwhere in between)
I feed dd same time as dc's
8am breakfast cereal and toast
12 lunch either fruit or veg puree with finger food (rice cake/bread/cheese)
5 tea pretty much concoction of what we having
i then always feed her before any meal and she usually has one mid morning mid afternoon and bed time too.

frag know what you mean - its kinda of a i have no idea what i am doing and how do i get you from eating 2 cubes of mush to 3 meals a day with a knife and fork and at what point am i meant to do what

Charlie not 6 months yet but have been giving stuff for about 3 weeks our plan as far as it goes is I always give her food and then let her have bottle after - although she is having less and less of lunchtime bottle so hopefully will drop that in a few weeks, am introducing 3rd meal today (teatime)

SO we go like this

8-8.30 baby rice and a cube of fruit then milk

12 - mashed up veg then milk

3.30 - until today milk but will give puree

7pm bottle then bath and bed

My mum says you need to fill them up at lunch time with savoury then pudding and make the teatime more like 5pm.

Am persevering with beaker but just takes a lot of effort frag so dont stress yourself. Charlie hates my purees never mind she has no choice

Frag - deep breaths hun and try and don't beat yourself up about the weaning - it is a learning process for both you and your LO. My routine is as follows:

8am - breakfast (pureed fruit)

10am - Mid morning snack (milk) prior to morning nap

12:30pm - lunch (pureed veg)

2pm - Mid afternoon snack (milk)prior to long nap (2 hrs)

6:30pm - dinner (pureed veg)

8pm - milk and bed

Times are not set in stone and vary up to an hour each way - I just go with how DD2 is feeling. Some days she might want more milk and won't have a proper meal, but not to fussed about it at this stage.
Hope this helps.
xxx

Frag- sorry you are having a hard time.

I have only been weaning DD since last tuesday so still at very early stage but day goes as follows:

5-5.30am - 6 ozs bottle
8.30am - 6 oz bottle
midday - 6 oz bottle
2.00pm - pureed fruit or veg mixed with babyrice (only on one cube). Followed by 3.5/4oz milk
5.00pm - babyrice.
6.15pm - 6 oz bottle then bed

I remember with DS he just did it (going to 3 meals)when he was about 10 mths old. I have forgotten what a slow process weaning is. Yesterday was the first day that DD has opened her mouth properly for food. Before that I used to make her chuckle then shove it in!!But I do feel like I am forever feeding her.I guess when they start to take more solids they drop bottles & go longer in between feeds.

Frag - so sorry you're having trouble. me and DD haven't got a routine yet the closest we have to one is....

6-7 8oz bottle,
8-9 toast
12 - 8oz bottle
1 - Proper meal (same as us)
5-6 - 8oz bottle
7 - dinner with us (same as us)
8-9 - 8oz 2nd milk bottle

Frag - my best advice is whatever youre making for yourself (no matter whats in it apart from the obvious) make a small version for her. That way you'll never feel like you have to "do" weaning. IYKWIM

Aaliyah has had cottage pie, omellette.. all sorts.

Ladies.

Am gonna sign off for a few weeks now. We're heading down south to DH's brother's place in Sussex tomorrow and flying from Gatwick on Weds.

DS had a Hipp Organic cottage pie jar last night as were out at a BBQ and we were both a bit shocked this morning when I found a Real Poo in his nappy for the first time (sorry if TMI!) .

HV this week told me to decrease his milk and increase solid so we now do:

7.30 - 6oz
8.00 - Porridge, sometimes with a cube of fruit.

11.30 - 5oz
12.30 lunch - 3 cubes fruit / veg with baby rice

3.30 - 5oz

5.00 - 3 cubes veg with rice, have started adding cheese or meat now. Plus pudding, fruit or have tried Rachels Organic my first yogurts and he loves them.

7.00 - BBB (bath, bottle, bed) 6oz

11.00 - dream feed - 4oz

This is working really well. Have got him down from 35oz milk per day to 26oz. Just need to be brave enough to try and cut down dream feed now. Also I do plan to blend up things we have for our meals more from now on, as long as they are quite plain foods as Lucky says. We're not doing very well on the water front though - he just plays with the bottle or cup if we give him plain water! HV says just to persevere.

Frag, you are a brilliant mum: you have BF your beautiful little girl and she is clearly thriving from your FB pics.

Everyone else, sorry I have little time left before continuing with the packing hell. Have a great summer and will be back end August xxx

Sorry not been in for a while. I've moments only on the computer and feel I'll never catch up properly.

Read from Frag's post.

Frag - Sabela's sleeping has gone totally ahywire in the last month. There are days when I feel totally down about it, especially now we've come away. We did have her going pretty well on the sleeping after a nasty illness but now all our hard work has gone out of the window. She'll only sleep, literally, if she has her mouth on my breast and her hands clutching my nightshirt. awful. Why don;t you take a break from all the preparation and get some Ella's kitchen pouches. Gingeme recommended them and they are fab. They are actually quite appetising even to mum!

Hasta luego Ange. Gracias!

Hello to everyone. Wish I could keep up but just can't at the mo. I will be back properly one day. Till then I'll just be able to drop in.

Angechica - have a fab time!!

Am taking Dcs to the zoo tomorrow with a kellogs one person in free voucher. Ds is really looking forward to it Was planning on giving DD a hipp organic jar while we are there for convenience if she does a REAL poo, hope she waits till she gets home

Toilet training on Wed. Dreading it, has to be done.

LaTrucha - sorry to hear sabela's sleep not great. Do you think its coz you are away? Fingers X it is then things can improve when you get back

Hi girls,

thank you all for your lovely messages of support - really appreciated. I am feeling so much better now - went back to the hospital and all my bloods are back to normal or near as dammit, so I just need to have my gall bladder out and hopefully the scare will be well and truly over. JKS - your post really interested me about the link with 1st pregnancy - hadn't heard that. And yes, silver lining was losing a stone in 7 days which so far hasn't gone back on, but not sure it was worth the aggro.

Madm - sorry to read of your dip - sounds as tho' you have climbed back out now, so well done you.

Frag - I echo all that's been said already - hang on in there.

Has anyone gone onto follow-on milk? And if their little ones are on 3 proper meals a day how much are they giving? Cerys is now 22lbs and I suspect with the milk she is getting too much and we should cut back as someone else's HV said. What is general view?

Hi everyone, hi barristermum and glad to hear you're feeling better. I'm also interested to know if anyone else has gone on to follow on milk, we're still on mixed bf and first milk here but DD has been very slow to gain weight and is still only just tracking the 9th centile on the charts, so I wonder if follow on milk would help.

Fragolina, agree with all the other posts and would second the suggestion of Ella's pouches - the nicest alternative to home made I've found so far. What has worked for us in terms of routine is picking rough times for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and then sitting her down and trying to give her something every time. Sometimes she'll eat it and sometimes she won't - for example, his evening I only managed to get a couple of spoons of apple puree in her, but I'm trying not to stress too much about it. Given her weight issues, milk is still the main meal and bear in mind she's probably one of the oldest on this thread (born 2 Jan).

LaTrucha, sorry to hear about the sleep. We're having the same problems but putting some of it down to the new environment etc. In particular, she has become much more attached to my breast (literally!) since we've been away which I'm putting down to a comfort thing - even during the day it seems to be the only way she'll settle.

dont know b mum. i read in annabel karmel that up to a year they should still have between 18-21oz a day but charlie only has 28 oz max and since introducing solids this has gone down to about 22oz and only just started today introducing 3rd meal and still all veggy and fruit.

i dont think me and dh eat well enough to puree up what we eat as we dont cook cook everynight i often use the taste the difference pies or cottage pie etc from sainsburys dont think they are suitable things are they??

I just keep thinking eventually they all end up just having 3 meals a day and drink water/juice etc so just have to persevere.

Fragolina, you and I are in the same place. I was in tears last night when I made my way to bed before ten and by 11 I was still not asleep as nathan kept on waking the minute his bum hit his cot and wailed endlessly. At one point I was lying on my back on the bed with him sleeping on my tummy and tears streaming down my face. At that point dh took charge, took nathan to his study,brought him back asleep and put him in his cot and I slept until 1.40 when sir wanted a feed. Then he also wanted to feed at 3.30 and was awake at 5.30 so i took him to the spare room until he was asleep again (at 6am) only for him to wake at 7. dh took him and gave him back to me when he had to go to morning prayer at 8.30. I slept in the meantime and was so groggy. It must be said Nathan was also bothered by cold and tummy ache. Tonight he ate carrot and potato and by the time we got to bed he was so tired he has just taken a quick gulp of milk and he is gone. will probably wake soon for more milk.

Sorry, that is a long ramble.

My Anable Karmel baby meal planner book arrived today and it suggests that I have gone too fast and too adventurous, so back to basics a bit. I can recommend the book. It suggests what to give when and how to move on.

Also booked a week's holiday today, yippee. We are going to Northumberland to stay in one of five farm cottages near Hadrian's wall and our closest friends are staying in another one , we're leaving 15 August. I have not had a real holiday since before being preg. the consequence of parents abroad.

sorry for long post

good night all

This weaning business is quite confusing. Nathan seemed to

also meant to say charlie been a bit tricky for going down at night i have to pin her arms down the last couple of nights as scrathcing her head a lot. maybe its the heat?? but also apparently according to baby whisperer the sleep often gets affected when solids introduced

not sure what happened there

Sorry to hear about all the bad sleepers. I didn't know that the introduction of solids could affect sleep but it does make sense.

I am gong very slowly with DD or rather she is making me take it slowly. So far all she has tried is pureed carrot, parsnip (today first time) & apple. Everything is being mixed with babyrice. She is having one of the very small Hipp jars tomorrow think its carrot & sweetcorn. Have got loads of ella's kitchen pouches but she doesn't eat enough in one go yet to try one. She still has roughly 35ozs a day of milk. I need to cut that down and up solids but I guess it takes time.Although at 2pm I am letting her have half her bottle then some solids with the hope she will cut this bottle out entirely. When we come back from Ireland I think I will put her onto follow on milk. She will be 7.5 mths then but would rather not change it while we are away.