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April 2008 - the one where Scorpio and Millie show us all the 'through the night' trick

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Scampmum · 18/06/2008 14:00

Sorry if someone else has already started one - couldn't find it!

Much better night last night, maybe due to gripe water?

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VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 13:12

What did I say?
I know when I read it I went "YES!" and clenched my fist. I think dp thought I was mad

scorpio1 · 15/07/2008 13:13

i think you shouted YES FUCKING YES at me about 500000 times, pmsl

actually spurred me on....

LadyBee · 15/07/2008 13:49

Scorpio, I'm curious about why you didn't BF your previous DC? Just nosey tho'
thanks for the handy calculation - got a bit further to go then...

VS LOL " only wish I could go round fixing everyone's BF problems!", what..you mean, like a lactation consultant?? why not? Work your own hours, with clients who would be grateful..sounds quite good to me

scorpio1 · 15/07/2008 13:54

I was 16 when i was pg with ds1; shock enough having a baby i think, plus FF seemed better to me, almost better for the baby. plus i dont know many BF-ing 16 year olds, i think the majority FF - it was almost assumed.

DS2,(was 19) i just thought well it worked before, so will do again. I weirdly thought BF was strange and 'hippyish'

I only tried it this time because VS gently persuaded me over 9 months, MW was very gentle with me too and i thought that i would let M feed just once to see what it felt like....then it just kept happening and here we are 12 weeks on!

LadyBee · 15/07/2008 15:24

it's very cool to see how gentle persuasion can have an impact - just to make you open to the idea. I remember when I was first pg, after my booking in appt with MW a breastfeeding support person sat me down and went through all the benefits. I thought it was overkill at the time, but then it wasn't a question for me, I always assumed I would. But if it worked for you, maybe it works for others too, which would be great!

VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 18:44

Ach, I didn't persuade you Scorpio.
You already had the seed planted I just showed you how to water it.
LadyBee, I will be doing a breastfeeding counselling course, but I want to do it with ABM and they don't take between April&December(?) but after that I'll be doing it.
I don't think I'd charge though, probably just do it as a volunteer, Breastfeeding is every women's and every baby's right and I get really pissed off when people who want to breastfeed don't get the help they need (and should receive) from proper authorities.

I also want to do doula-ing though, so would be able to add it into my post-natal care which would bump up what I could charge slightly.

EllieG · 15/07/2008 19:54

Hear hear VS, you should do it officially.

I'm bored. Molly has gone to bed and DP is out playing golf. Can't believe I've got enough time to be bored, but there you go. There's no pleasing me....
Think will have a glass of wine [bad mummy drinking midweek emoticon]

EllieG · 15/07/2008 20:03

See here is dull topic but would like some advice please

VictorianSqualor · 15/07/2008 20:03

Ugh Ellie your situation was one that really annoyed me, bloody arsewipes.
I'm sure DD is doing just fine though

EllieG · 15/07/2008 20:10

She is, gaining weight and a perky wee thing, but I couldn't help but think last week, when she picked up gastroenteritis, 'would she have got this if had been bf?'
Mind you, we all got it, so probably the answer is yes, but maybe....

scorpio1 · 15/07/2008 21:09

Reilly had Gastro when he was a baby too, he was FF. If you all got it though it was probably a household bug iyswim, not because of anything you did with the bottles. I think if she was bf she would have got it but maybe a tiny bit less as your milk would be giving her antibodies. But i strongly suspect she would have got it, yes. Don't add to the load by guilt-tripping yourself

EllieG · 15/07/2008 21:47

I know, but isn't that what parenthood is? Endless guilt? I even worry when I'm not worrying about something these days....

Right, time to get night feeds ready and off to bed.

VictorianSqualor · 16/07/2008 09:09

Oh gosh, I know all about guilt!

I FF DD and she has eczema, asthma, hayfever, gets every cold etc going, I BF DS1 and he is one of the healthiest kids I've ever met, doesn't have any of the allergy type things DD has. Of course, it could be pure coincidence but I convince myself it's all my fault for not BFing.

Now, if I'd had mumsnet back then I reckon I would have BF but I knew nothing about it, she was in SCBU and I was given some old victorian style pump and told to express, that's it, no-one told me how often I should do it (preferably at least 8 times in 24hours) to get my milk in and then
established so I was expressing once a day and getting sod all.

When she was about 3 weeks old they put her to my breast to get her to suckle and I freaked out, thought it felt weird and put her back.

Not knowing anything about formula plus not realising my milk could've come in at that late in the day if had just let her suckle meant she ended up being fully FF, I would've liked to mix-fed at the very least.

Then we go onto the early weaning guilt. I was told babies should be fed from 4 months, but as she was 8weeks early I adjusted her age and weaned her at 6months, which was only 4 months adjusted.

From the age of about two I was also one of those 'you'll sit there and eat exactly the amount I say' type mums, not allowing her to listen to her own body telling her she was full. (thought I was being a 'good mum' making her finish her dinner)Now she has issues with eating, she was overweight but (without her realising) I've cut down her portion sizes (started using a bratz plate half the size of an adults plate) and tried to get her to listen to when she is full but she is so used having to eat everything on her plate she used to give herself bellyache to finish it

With DS1 I've always allowed him to be finished when he says he is, it's amazing how little he will eat sometimes and be fine, but other times he eats tons (a bowl of cereal, two bananas and peanut butter on toast already this morning!). He has never been overweight, nor has any issues with food. If I left him to get whatever he wanted a great deal of it would be fruit and veg, DD would probably eat mainly junk.(she isn't fussy, will eat anything but would choose a doughnut over strawberries, DS would choose strawberries one day a doughnut another).

Oh, and let's add DD's dyspraxia to that guilt too.
Apparently it can be linked with being pre-term and/or starved of oxygen, I know I could have carried her longer. If I hadn't kicked up such a stink in hospital telling them something was wrong then they wouldn't have took me down to do an exploratory op and wouldn't have discovered the abruption at that point, maybe an extra week or two would've meant her lungs were stronger? She wouldn't have been starved of any oxygen at birth then. Nor would she have had a pneumothorax which also meant she was starved of oxygen twice more.

Thing is, IMO guilt is such a crap emotion, it achieves nothing unless turned into anger, so I turn my guilt into anger at the people who failed me, the people who should've known more and given me the right advice, the government for not training these people properly etc. and add to that actively going out of my way to try and improve things for other people so they don't need to go through it as well.

My kids are happy, yes DD has some health issues but she's one of the cleverest in her class so I can console myself that at least she is able to learn, just needs ways to help her cope with the dyspraxia so she isn't suffering, just possibly not to the full potential she could've been (of course, her full potential is perfection like her mother and we couldn't have that could we).

I have three wonderful children a great partner some lovely friends and my own health to be thankful for, so guilt can fuck off, I'm too busy!

scorpio1 · 16/07/2008 09:29

oh shite. condom split last night. Also, had unprotected sex on Sunday - DH didnt put a condom on and i seriously truthfully forgot that i wasnt on the pill and he didnt say anything until i realisse about 10 hours later.

am on cycle day 13 today.

VictorianSqualor · 16/07/2008 09:35

Oopsy Scorpio!

I haven't had a period since that first one, had a very slight bleed about 2 days after I came off the pill but that's it so I have no idea what is going on with my body!

scorpio1 · 16/07/2008 09:38

i have just counted the days since my last bleed, i dont even know if im fertile properly. dont want the MAP, have never taken it, dh says ok to chance. ooops. feel like a twat

VictorianSqualor · 16/07/2008 10:04

I've never done the whole 'cd' thing.
It seems the little bleed was associated with coming off the pill as it was only three weeks after my first proper period, but that would mean I was now late...

scorpio1 · 16/07/2008 11:22

oh. that would mean i was due yesterday then.

We are a great example of how not to aren't we!!

scorpio1 · 16/07/2008 11:28

m going to wait 4 weeks and if no period, see then. Can't periods be erratic with BF anyway?

PeachyBAHons · 16/07/2008 11:34

''would she have got this if had been bf?'

DS2 ended up in hospital with it at 3 months when mixed fed- she could well ahve done, esp. as was clearly viral if you all got it.

Guilt really is linked to parenting inevery way. I wonder if I caused (yeah yeah I know) ds1's ASD by beinga bit distant (PND but didnt know it) and going back to work at 9 weeks; I wory that ds2 has too much with two SN brothers; that ds1's allergies were caused by FF (unlikely as even bas has them), you get used to it as aprenting progresses I think.

News- Bas is officially off the weight watch list Yay! And without a bottle . His weight agin has been steady for 6 weeks now, they're happy 9although still willing to home weigh over holidays, as if I don't have enough on my plate)

Sorry haven't beena round, bit chaotic- bringing DS1 out of school some lunchtimes now as he has clearly had enough and it makes it better for the other kids.

scorpio1 · 16/07/2008 11:41

Pechy thats great about B weight!! and well done for doing it yourself

I too worry about was it something i did re ds1 dypraxia - i think maybe it was when he was in the birth canal for too long as they said i had to hurry up. But, it is what it is, he is my boy, but yes, guilt is normal as a parent. I try not to dwell though.

TheMaskedPoster · 16/07/2008 11:45

congrats on your BA Hons Peachy!! blardy well done girl

Hope all are well.

here at TMP manor we are happily plodding along - with not too much time for MN unfortunately (story of my life atm).

Olivia is a very good baby (a lot easier than dd1 - however it may just be that I am more relaxed iyswim) and I am enjoying it all immensely. In fact if I had had Livi first I may have been inclined to have another baby sooner than I did .

Am off to see Mama Mia this evening with a friend - can't wait!

Take care ladies and hope to catch you all soon

xx

PeachyBAHons · 16/07/2008 11:47

If asd and dys are related as they think then its likely to have same triggers- genetic tendency (either spontaneous or inherited) and a trigger- diet, allergy, medical event..... nothing you can rpedict

See even I know that and I worry LOL

I do feel awful about ds3, ds1 injured him on the head and I can't know for certain that didn't cause everything

sagitta · 16/07/2008 12:20

VS - DD has allergies, excema etc etc, and she was BF for 7 months...

sagitta · 16/07/2008 13:10

Can anyone reassure me that they are def coming to the london meet-up tomorrow? I am leaving in a couple of hours, and won't be able to check the internet before tomorrow...
Thanks!