Oct 2007; This Little Piggy Rolled & Crawled to Market, This Little Piggy Walked Home

[FloriaTosca]

I hope I manage to do this right...I'll kick everything off with a roll call if it does.

Well, my Oliver didn;t spend the night in the tent in the living room! He got scared so he went back to his own bed around 8 ish...His friend that was due to come and 'camp' with him was over tired and didn't come round in the end so Oliver didn't really want to be on his own. I have taken photos so will post them on facebook later if anyone really is at a lose end

Not going to the local park with friends as planed as it's peeing it down again so we're off to football at the gym accross town (not our gym with the nasty man) then luch then home for naps and me to make a curry. Anyone got a recipe for lamb curry as I normally make a chicken korma but I don't think lamb Korma would be as nice!

I know what you mean about the sleazy men, that's partly why I chose to start online dating as I was tired of being acused of being a lesbian just becase I didn't want a drink with a certain man.

Stefka-he maybe waking out of habbit? I wouldn't like to say either way you know him best but it is something to consider. They do say (they great 'they'!) that to stop waking at a certain time wake them up yourself a little before the time they usually wake and this will interrupt this pattern.Not tried it myself but it's an idea.

Floria - sorry the co-sleeping's not working not sure what to suggest but are with you on the sleep deprevation. It's crap but hopefully it will end soon. Have a lovely nap x

I didn't do it in the end as he didn't take his last feed. Will try again tonight. I hate that I am doing CC I don't even believe in it but I am so desperate. I wouldn't let it go on longer than half an hour but actually he never goes more than ten minutes anyway.

I tried co sleeping too and it also didn't work - I got less rest not more.

10 mins isn't bad though....
hugs as cc is stressful]

as a start. If you can bear it try to do something that lessens the crying at that time. I used to go and do laundry as it was the furthest point away! Set a timer for 10 mins and then go back after if he's still upset. With his cries -is he really upset or is he upset you're not there?
(I'm really not trying to teach you to suck eggs x)
Do you have a bedtime routine? We do and it seems to work for us. We don't always bath but we do get changed, look at a book, wave night night to 'sheep' (a toy on his window sill) lower his blind (not a blackout one so we don't all need them!) put him in his growbag, give him his sheet to snuffle into (thumb goes straight in mouth at this point) then 'night night sleep tight, hope the bedbugs don't bite. If they do, give them a kick from me. Mummy loves you' kiss, out the door. He 'shouts' a bit soentimes but then does go to sleep.

I also put a book in his cot when I check him before I go to bed or a toy for him to play with when he wakes up in the morning as this can give you an extra 10/15/20 mins.

Also cross posting! I totally think it is habit for him. Might try no feeds tonight. See how I get on. I do sort of suspect it needs to be an all or nothing thing here. I will try the water trick. I am just thinking he will be one in a couple of months and I want it sorted by then.

Stefka - CC is really hard... more on you than lo i think.
We did it when we were trying to get Eren to drop his night feed and sleep through the night... it was a hard 3 days, but it really works. It WILL get better, but its mentally and physically soo draining.

My mum said to my that babies don;t die from crying, you just have to be consistent, patient and determine. She was right. Eren started to sleep through from 12 weeks old - 7pm till 6.30am.

Before, he would fall asleep at 7pm, wake up at 11pm.. crying i would go in and out of his room comforting him.. again at 1am, 3am.... on the first night this took about 15 mins each time. By night 3 he stopped waking up at all until the morning.

Easier said than done i know but just letting you know my experience for what its worth.

I hope things improve for you and FT too. Sleep deprivation is the hardest thing in the world to deal with.

I've been doing five minutes, ten then fifteen and if he is not asleep by then I will feed or rock him but he always is. I think I am going to try no feeding for three nights and see how it goes. He hasn't started teething yet so it would be good to get it sorted before then.

He does have a routine yes - we started that pretty young. Bath, jammies in a quite dimly lit room, he has a lullaby CD and a blanket. He knows it is bedtime because he always complains when I put him in his sleep bag!

I think you're right to try it, we'll be here to hold your hand! I also think you're right to give it a time limit so you know there is an end. This can help you be more determined as you know it'll only be for three days. I always used to say; you've been fed, you've got a clean bum, you are tired (would only put them to bed once they had yawned twice) your problem is that you're cross with me leaving you.

Hi
Had our nap and a shower and feel almost human
Inzi; Good on you for making yourself be positive, hope you can remain calm when you get the dreaded phone call ..I only say that personally I have a tendancy to errupt when I have had time to think about what I could say , I'm sure you have more self control/dignity than me. We have tried a dummy in the past...last time was about a month ago..he just chews on it (usually the hard bit)and spits it out or believe me we would have used one!

We too have bedtime routine (bath, massage, pjs & sleepsac, dimmed light bf & sing) usually started at 8pm (when I finish teaching)and he is invariably asleep by 8.30 it is after 12am(ish) we have the problem and normally I would say it is every 2 hrs after that, that he feeds but normally goes straight back to sleep...its this last couple of weeks that things have got really bad... feeding for 40+mins and not going back to sleep ..co-sleeping seemed the solution for a few days but last night I dont think I had more than 45 mins at a stretch and no more than 3 of them..no apparent reason, no cries of pain, teething or tummy ache...I'm utterly knackered and seriously don't know how Choc copes and have a seriously tired little boy screaming at me from his playpen right now...got to go..back later..

Inzi - yeah dh is a bit better today thanks for asking. I got him strepsils and made him honey and lemon drinks and made sure he got lots of sleep and a nice bath
Off to give Dylan him dinnertime bottle, back later x

They have treated you really poorly Inzi - it's not on. I hate the way that mothers get treated. Today I got talking to someone who works in my field - it was a really good networking opportunity for me. As soon as I mentioned that I was a stay at home mother right now I saw him mentally withdraw from me and sure enough he made his excuses about two minutes later. It's like I am telling them I like to eat babies not look after my own. Honestly - do people think we die when we have kids or something. I have never felt less valued as a human being as I do as a mother.

Dareh has learned how to clap - I am currently filling in his Cambridge application as the boy is clearly a genius.

Hear hear Stefka!!!!
I was saying this to dh only the other day. I have to accept that I am staying at home now which is the good of my family for which we are very lucky and then when H is 5 I will then go back to some sort of work. Until then I am a social pariah who obviously can't string a sentence together let along say anything anyone would actually want to hear. I/we work bloody hard at what we do and I do wish what I do was valued more.

And Henry is a genius for rolling over finally.

(Doesn't really have the same effect does it!)

I am off to bed for my first attempt at a no feed night. Wish me luck.

thinking of you xxx

just a quickie as we haven't been back long, and i am shattered.

Inzi-how totally shit for you, i wish we could find a way for you to still get it! like Alice says, have you still got the voicemail? is it worth trying to take them to court?

Alice-glad foot is on the mend.

WWAJC-the show you was on!!!!

ft-sorry your not getting no sleep just out of interest, how long are you intending to bf for? you have done so well going for this long, i wish i could have done it for longer. glad the mink seems to have p**sed off.

hi muppet, crochet, Dal, Mine and everyone else i haven't mentioned.

had ups and downs for the weekend, Shannon was pretty much angelic all weekend, Leonie on the other hand, was an absolute B**ch! Awful to say it about an 8 year old, but thats what she was, even Richie, who is so patient with children was pulling his hair out, although to his credit, he didn't once blow his top or say anything to her, unlike me, who would quite happily have sent her someone for a month, i'm wondering if she perhaps needs asessing for behaviourial problems, or maybe just needs to be stopped from spending all weekend with her father in the pub....maybe its just me, but i don't see me planning taking her anywhere else overnight for the forseeable future, I think her behaviour is setting me on the road to being depressed.

Anyway-the first hotel was a sh*thole, they didn't have a cot, even though i had booked it and rung to confirm, so they said they would try some of the other hotels, then the shower didn't work, so they moved our rooms, and acted as though they where doing us a favour because it was slightly upgraded, hmmm lugging cases, prams, children,,etc down a flight of stairs and accross a carpark in the rain... and then, after we had finally got ready to go out and eat quite late on in the evening, i went in to the reception to ask about the cot again, and the manager and one of the other staff saw me coming, and practically ran away so there was noone left on the desk, to which i burst into tears and went out to the car and Rich had to go in and speak to them, they did eventually find a cot from about the 7th hotel they called, i amm going to try and make a complaint though, and also do a review on trip advisor.

cadbury world was quite good, lots of chocolate waterworld was absolutely packed, and by the time we got there, we kind of wished we'd just come home instead, thats about it for my weekend.

anyway, i need to get some sleep, sorry to miss people out, hopefully i may feel better in the morning re Leonie and will stop moaning about it!

love to all xx

sorry Stefka, good luck

oooh forgot to say, Shannon says tickletickletickletickle usually attempting to tickle but more like pulling your lips off, and she also rolls the ball to you when you roll it to her, she is my golden child at the moment

ARGH inzi, I would have had exactly the same reaction. I hate spiders!