January 08 shiny new - year babies , night night sleep tight - yeah right !!

[lilyloo]

Thought as there were no objections and we were at 950 i would get us all a new thread

[AngeChica]

Susie, if you put "january mumsnetters" into the search on Facebook, you will find the group, & there is a list of who's who on the message board.

[justkeepswimming]

morning all

ds2 up at 11.30, 2.30 & 5.

Just when i thought we'd done the whole stupid night thing.
i sit and wonder what i did differently, and i missed breakfast yesterday - was offered a chance at more sleep so that took priority! tho i ate well the rest of the day...will not let it happen again.

does anyone else just want to be a baby themselves and cry through lack of sleep???? it's my first response to these stupid waking times
then i want to throw things

remind me of this when i start talking about number 3!!!!

just sitting here hoping ds1 sleeps properly, cos both of grumpy on the same day doesn't bear thinking about!

[AngeChica]

This too shall pass KT. At least you know DS2 can sleep through. Alek never has yet. Even though i am mixed feeding him now it hasn't made too much difference. He did do only 1 night feed for a while but for last few days he is doing 2, last night 1am and 4am. lack of sleep makes me really tearful and useless. at least now he has a quick feed and back down within 15 mins instead of us being awake for an hour.

I wonder to try weaning, I did try with some baby rice but he actually got quite upset. Also he is still quite sicky despite changing him to Cow and Gate. I think the problem may be more to do with him guzzling it too quick...

Got to phone th garage now. There's a hole in my exhaust and also the engine light keeps coming on in slow moving traffic - a couple times happened with Alek in the car and I get scared, imagining it bursting into flames or something. Anyway hope it's not something too catastrophic . Maternity leave lack of money is kicking in.

[nicky6]

hi all gingeme havent done a date yet for meet up as justkeepswimming is coming back with dates she can do

me on facebook too will see if i can find you all.

chalrie been quite poorly with bad cold but seems a bit better as although i heard a few noises at 7 she is still asleep from dreem feed

I do agree with everyone lack of sleep makes me tearful and over sensitive etc so am pleased charlie sleeping so well.

Have ordered clothes from warehouse and they are arriving today fed up of maternity jeans and not being able to fit into my clothes so took the plunge and have ordered a size bigger than i am normally. So cant wait to lose some weight am trying properly now and even went to my local gym for a look round. Dh says he will get home early so i can go in the eveneings so am going to take him up on the offer.

Think weaning will be funny although am holding off as charlie only a bit over 4 months but when trying to put thermometer in her mouth yesterday she looked like she could win a gurning competition, lol

got dates wrong for swimming so we start swimming on friday am looking forward to it.

[nicky6]

ok i've just aske dif i can join your group - so let me in please

[Naetha]

Morning all

My heart goes out to you JKS and Ange - it's so hard to function when they're not sleeping well, and must be even harder with more than one.

Despite all the ogres on the weaning thread morally beating me up because I weaned Ben at 4 months, he has been sleeping so much better since then, and absolutely wolfs his food down now. I just need to stop experimenting with his food, as when I'm making purees up I get a little overexcited! I made one the other day that started off as just avocado, then I added some steamed spinach, and then some peas as well! I wasn't too keen on the taste, and thought I'd end up binning the lot, but Ben absolutely loved it, so it just goes to show - you can never tell! His favourites are still banana and prune (he has eaten 8 ice cubes of this in once sitting once!) pear and apple with a bit of grape (I love this one, and Ben loves it when I pretend to eat it too!) and anything with carrots in, be it pea and carrot, carrot and parsnip, carrot and sweet potato, or just carrot I'm looking forwards to him being 6 months so he can start on finger foods - he already tries to feed himself with the spoon, although usually only ends up making himself gag!

Nap wise things are much better now I've started on a definite routine. He has two hours awake time, then in his grobag and his room for a nap. If it co-incides with a feed, then that's great, otherwise he gets a dummy, a short story, then I leave him to it. He's usually asleep within about 10 minutes. I find the story is great for calming him down, oitherwise he's constantly trying to roll over. He's still sleeping on his front at night, which worries me as he isn't great at rolling front to back (although I know he can do it), but as soon as you put him down on his back he's on his front almost instantly. Both me and him are getting very snuffly at night - I'm wondering whether it's worth putting a bowl of water in his room so the air's not so dry - any experience of how to stop the snuffliness? It's only at night.

Me and DH are having thoughts about having another one, and we really are in two minds. Both of us see ourselves as having two kids, and we'd like to have them close together (i.e. within 2 years of eachother) however DH in particular is struggling. He's not very good with broken sleep (even if it's just 5 minutes to get me a bottle) so I do all the night wakings (which are fine at the moment as he only wakes once between about 2 and 4), but any kind of crying or whinging really stresses him out, to the point that if Ben's having a bad day on a weekend, it's easier if I take him out for the day, then have him at home with a stressed out daddy. I'd love to have another (although I can't say I'm looking forwards to pregnancy and childbirth again!) but I do worry about DH and the effect the stress will have on him. I also worry that DC2 will be more of a handful than DS, and whether I could cope! Can those with more than one give me some positive stories, especially relating to partners? I'm sure it will be fine once at least one of them is in school, but I know we'd have a tough three years ahead of us.

Wow sorry for the essays!

Hope you're all having good days

[gingeme]

Morning all.
Snuffly coldy household today just for a change. George has a horrible cough and a snotty nose.
Neatha George also turns straight onto his front when I put him to bed and kind of lays with his nose in between his hands so often wakes with hand prints on his face
I put 4 drops of Olbas oil in the corners of his cot at night so which ever end hes decided to sleep theres always a drop near him. It helps everyone to breathe better realy because hes in our room.
Second child mmmm..... what you have to realise is babys crying will get less as they get older because they will have more to do so their life will be led less by food and sleep iyswim but as they get bigger there cry will get louder Just let dh know that. Id go for it soon if you want them close together der obviously but bear in mind it can be quite difficult with a toddler as well as a baby. Have a real proper tlak about what you and dh want first then you know all your options and feelings before you get started.Ofcourse it has its reward like when Edward learnt to do walking round the garden and tried to do it to George and got massive smiles form him. It was sooooooo cute and he kisses him all the time which probably doesn't help the cold situation
Come on justkeepswimming pull your finger out love. Cor anyone would think you just had a baby or something

[Fragolina]

Morning everyone.
JKS and Ange - sympathies on the not sleeping through. Tana isn't either and tends to wake up at least once in the night...although last night when she woke up at 4:30 think she needed a nappy change more than food.

The builders are STILL here...or rather they're not - seems to me they're trying to fit me in with another job as they show up whenever and disappear for a couple of hours at a time - need to put my foot down, as I'm fed up. Its so annoying that they pay no attention to me, but as soon as Dh says to them 'This is what the wife wants, so this is what you're going to do' they're on it like a shot. Ok, need to be much more assertive and keep an eye on them - they've definitely taken advantage of the fact that T's teething, so is the focus of my attention.

Gingeme - hope the snuffles go soon. Naetha - great to hear Ben is so much more settled and loves his food. Nicky - hope you're after some retail therapy!

Anyone else's lo loves to screech their little heart out, just for fun? Am curious if anyone speaks more than one language in their household and how that's been for their kids when learning to speak, or for other first timers, do you speak to your lo in predominantly one language.

[LuckySalem]

Hi all,

So sorry to hear that some are still awake at night. I've managed to get DD to sleep through now. She'll sleep from 9/10 - anytime between 5-8. I realised she didn't need the food when she was waking in the night and so ignored her one night and she's never woken since.

Frag - DD screams just for the hell of it, and also when she's peed off with something it's really hard to work out which it it sometimes.

Is anyone else finding when LO's wake from afternoon nap they wake up wingeing?

[justkeepswimming]

sorry, sorry, was trying to coordinate with dh to see when would be best but his diary is a mess! like water from a stone!

so, i can make any tues or wed as ds1 at nursery, so i can get train in with ds2. re timings, i shd be able to make it for 11 and shd really leave by 3, tho i could alter ds1's nursery hours to pick him up a bit later.

so that's 10th or 11th, 17th or 18th or 24th, 25th.

if i bring both (eek) i can pretty much make any other weekday dates, would drive in i think, can make it for 10.30, would have to leave either by 3 or much later.
that's not much help tho is it?
could do 9th, 12th, 16th, 19th (not 20th), 23rd (not 26th or 27th)
that help?

well, both boys asleep, i've had an hour too, so things are looking altogether more positive here
went to storyrhymes this morning - think the (stand in) woman was a bit strict and thought ds1 was a tearaway but hey! got his bookstart bag so he's a happy bunny

going to try baking later - read it makes for a happier family....
after a quick corner shop visit for the eggs.

wavering now re weaning, will have to see if ds2's sleep improves, amazing the differences there can be between babies/in such a short time.

right, must do SOMETHING before they both wake...

[mixedmama]

So jealous... work is a bummer as that means I cant make the meet up and would have been nice to see charlie nicky as we met when we were pregnant.

Hope everyone is well. Have sort of read things but sort of not as my eyes are really hurting today.

[susiemj]

Hi everyone,

I can sympathise with the non-sleepers. Sabela went through a patch of sleeping through but with having been away and now having started teething she's up usually asleep in fits and starts 9-10, wakes and 1 and 4. Usually at 4 she's ready to play . I am not! EXHAUSTED. Totally exhausted and feeling a bit worn down what with colds and all.

Hopefully she will go back soon. I'm not sure there's really a solution except patience. Some people say weaning but I do want to wait a bit. I wonder how long I'll keep my resolve though. I did have my hand hovering over the baby rice in boots...... WE want to wait because we're going away at the beginning of July and would like to wait until we're back.

I'm feeling Sabela is very clingy at the moment. I'm probably just feeling that wya because of the non-sleeping teething thing. She doesn't really even want to ne with DH that much - excpet to play. And she hates the pushcahir. Any advice for this problem would be welcome.

Plus just got back from swimsuit shopping. Feel like I have huge milky-cow boobies now . Nothing fitted up top.

I sound really miserable don't I? I'm not really. Just a bit babied out lolololololol

[nicky6]

Ok well a date that we can all seemingly do is thursday the 24th so at the moment it is the 4 of us. Shall we say 10-30-11 - gingeme do you know a good meeting place??
So if anyone else can make it the 24th January V and A museum just let us know.

Mixed mama it would have been nice to see you again

All fine here charlie still has bad cold .

Retail therapy no good at all and in fact 90% went back in the envelope today. very annoying.

But have been down to local gym and agreed with husband that that some nights - that should be maybe once i will go there whilst charlie asleep. So am hoping that will soon be abck in jeans also being good re eating badness.

Period due today - still waiting

[madmouse]

Hi all

Not too bad here with sleeping, Nathan does one late evening, one middle of the night and one early morning feed.

Had him weighed today and he has only gained 400gr in nearly four weeks so has dropped on the graph. Hv not worried and I am trying not to be but finding it hard. She says try to have nice long feeds and make sure he finishes it not you. I think the problem is that he is either way too distracted or so comfy that he goes to sleep too quicky. So just spent 45mins feeding/trying to keep him awake. Well, he is alert, talking, playing, very active (he may simply burn a lot of calories as he is always on the go) and he has chubby arms, thighs and cheeks. Dh was very small as a child, so hundreds of reasons not to worry so I am annoyed, as I was finally feeling calm and confident as a mum and there were no medical emergencies.

sorry, moan over

booked our removal today, 17th of June. Getting excited.

Nicky I am still in my maternity jeans and am finding it a struggle to stay of junk. Want to go back to running but my books are so huge

[gingeme]

24th January nicky6? Are you sure love?
We can meet in the cafe itself its easy to find quite near the entrance from what I remember.

[justkeepswimming]

madmouse - you shouldn't really be running with books, not good for the back dear
me too tho, even running down the stairs for the phone earlier i had to 'hold' my boobs - and i'm not even really that big (dd).

off to bed just couldn't resist teasing mm

[madmouse]

Thanks Katy

tbh, dh owns a very heavy book called 'Gravitation' from his physics days. It was the butt of many jokes in our student days when we moved house with the help of friends instead of a removal company. (Oh dear, here comes gravitation, make way everyone').

Sometimes it feels like I have two of those

[AngeChica]

I can live with the sleeping situation TBH. He's always asleep by 8 oclock these days, and I like having a bit of our evening back. He generally sleeps through till about 2 now. Last night I resettled him without a feed and he went on til 3.30. Gonna carry on doing this for a few days and hope he gets the message. It might mean more wakings but hopefully worth it in the end. He then wakes between 5 and 6 but I can get him back to sleep until about 7.30 usually. So I'm sure I get at least 6 or so hours sleep, albeit in a broken up way. The big difference from a few weeks ago is he doesn't spend ages feeding at night any more.

Yesterday was really hectic. Car at garage, the estate agent rang and said could someone come and view the house. That's only our second viewing in 4 months so I didn't want to put them off even though the house was a disgrace. Desperately tried to clear up around LO's naps. Then to top it off had my coil put in at the doctors (ouch).

Today got meeting at work to discuss reduced hours. Realised I haven't been there for 6 months now! Still 4 months till I go back hurrah!!!! I never think about work AT ALL at the moment ... it will be a shock to the system!

I feel for you Susie - I honestly do not know what I would do if LO didn't like the pushchair. I wou be pulling my hair out. I would also have to be seeing an osteopath by now probably, he's such a big lump. Loads of people I know put those Tiny Love mobiles in the car seat or push chair, with lights and music. That's all I can think of to suggest.

[nicky6]

ok gingeme i am completetly losing it as i think the meet up date should be TUESDAY the 24th of June rather than thursday 24th and in january!!!

Cafe sounds good so thats gingeme, JKS filly and me anyone else??

Looks like period may be on its way sorry if tmi - big sigh of relief this end.

Charlie slept from dream feed til 9.30 and then went without morning sleep completely so now cranky and full of cold

oh well sleep means at least i feel better even if she doesnt lol

[fillybuster]

Hi all , sorry I've not been on here for a week or so and gosh, haven't you all been busy?

Nicky - I will do my absolute utmost to be there on 24th I've never been to the V&A and have no clue about how to get there but as long as I'm back in North London in time to collect ds from nursery at 3.15 then all will be well...sadly my MIL will be away, otherwise I would have got her to do it which would have made life so much easier...

Katie - sorry the sleeping thing is going so badly...I wonder, is it worth focussing on getting one of them sleeping well (maybe dc2?) first, then dealing with the other one aftewards? Are you still co-sleeping with ds1? If so (and don't shout me down here!) maybe its time for you to reclaim your bedroom? Hope to see you on 24th!

Naetha - glad to hear Ben is doing so brilliantly, he sounds like a real star ! The thing about your dh coping with whinging/crying/grumpy baby might be something you need to deal with sooner rather than later...sorry to break this to you but the whinging/crying etc gets worse rather than better as they get older...especially as you get towards the toddler stage!! So the issue probably isn't whether you can cope with 2 (of course you can) but more whether you want to be solely responsible whenever your child/ren is/are having a bad day (of course you don't!)...Maybe have a chat with him and plan out some coping strategies? My dh used to get quite stressed when ds1 was having a bad day but is much more chilled about it these days

Lucky - I love the picture

Madmouse - good luck with the move, that's so exciting. And your hv is right not to let you worry about moving down the charts...my ds1 slid down from 75% to 20% over the first 6 months but there's nothing you can do about it as long as you're letting them feed as long as they want to and they're happy, healthy, alert and sleeping well...some babies are just slimmer than others.

Tamara had her 4 month jabs yesterday (18 weeks but they had to delay them cos of her chickenpox, now, fortunately, all cleared up). She really hasn't responded too well - she's all swollen around where the injections went in and she's got an incredibly dodgy tummy today....she has filled 5 nappies in the past 3 hours and is not her normal happy self So far I haven't ever given her Calpol or Medised as I try to avoid it - but then dh and I are particularly bad at spotting when we should give our dcs painkillers and tend to just let them ride it out and be grumpy and then kick ourselves afterwards when we realise that they were actually in pain and we could have helped. Anyway, today may be her first calpol day - I'll see what she's like when I get her up after her sleep...

Thinking about weaning, but not quite ready, even tho I definitely started ds at this age. Think I'll give it another few weeks. Am also slowly winding down the bf-ing as I've had enough now; fortunately I now have a freezer full of bm, so she's still exclusively bm fed but I'll start doing half and half with Aptamil over the next few days.

Went to SpaceNK for a makeover session this morning - had an amazing makeup artist do things to my face for 90mins at the end of which I still looked exactly like myself, but a younger, more relaxed, healthier version. I tell you, the woman is a magician!!! I wish I was capable of re-creating the look at home (of course I can't) but I did learn some good tricks. All the other mums at ds' nursery commented on how well I looked when I dropped him off Of course, I then spent far too much money on some of the products, but I was due a new lipstick, blusher and moisturiser...or at least, that's what I will be telling dh !

OK, got to run and grab some lunch before I have to collect ds. I can't believe that I managed to lose 5lbs then put all of it back on last week in one go.......I must try harder!! xxx

[justkeepswimming]

hi filly,

we reclaimed our bedroom ages ago, thank goodness, i need my space back
ds1 has improved so drastically i don't want to jinx it, but he didn't wake til gone 7 today, hooray!
we had lots of talks about it with him and it making us sad that he was waking so early, who knows if that helped. anyway i had time to 'wake' up the bunny clock before he woke up today then found out he had slept on the floor (didn't check on him last night)
whatever...

ds2 up at 2.30 for a feed, then up at 5.30 but i ignored him and he was quiet (slept?) until 6.30 so feeling revitalised today, fingers crossed.....

should be able to make the 24th, looking forward to it

love all the new photos, am trying to get organised but my time just disappears! only an hour until i have to get ds1, argh, nothing done!!!

um, sure there was more i meant to say...

oh susie re buggy...
can you watch her carefully as you put her in buggy - or watch someone else do it - and try to find out which bit she hates?
is it the being put down? being put down by you? will she let someone else carry her?
the straps?
dare i say don't strap her in for a bit if they are annoying her?
does this help???

[susiemj]

Hi all,

I'm feeling a lot more human today as last night I decided to go to bed at the same time as the baby - 9pm - and fortunately she slept through until 5.30. So much easier when you're not a zombie.

She's had her third set of jabs today so I expect she'll sleep a lot today too. A

Plus the HV made me feel better (surprise!) about the pram thing telling me about all the good research about slings.

I think I'm just going to try taking her up and down our street in the pram for a while and see if she gets used to it.

Thanks for the facebook invite Ange - now I have to work out how to use facebook!

MM - 100g a week is good! Especially as they slow down at this age. But I do know how it can knock your confidence. LAst week Sabela put on 80g and this week it was 120. Some weeks it's 180. IT doesn't seem to be very predictable. Anyway, you just have to look at those pics to know he's doing great!

Gingeme, nicky, katie - I'm dead jealous about the meet up! Iused to love tea at the V&A - plus it would be great to meet you all. If you're ever passing through Aberystwyth!!! AS if

[Naetha]

Susie I feel a bit bad - I was actually in Aberystwyth at the beginning of April, and I did think of meeting up with you, but it was a big family event, and I think they would have frowned on me a little if I'd sloped off half way through!

Made some lovely new friends through my baby massage group - just my kind of people (lapsed lefties ) and we're going swimming together tomorrow which will be nice

Ben is so close to crawling - he can push himself right up on his hands, and lift his bum up, it's just a case of coupling the two together! When I support his middle he shoots off so fast he falls flat on his face!

Got a bit of an issue with work - not that I'm going back until January, but I don't think I'm ever going to get my promotion, and the company have just moved their office to the other side of Leeds. More details here.

Right, off to load the dishwasher and to bed, goodnight all

[LuckySalem]

Hello!!!

Had a rubbish afternoon with DD - She's been screaming down my ear since about 6. I think its cos she was just TOO tired as she hadn't had a nap all day. Have made mental note that she MUST sleep.

I'm nervous about tomorrow as asked (I've already been told off about the fact I asked here) DP if he would mind if I took DD down to Eastbourne to see some old friends of mine and he said no. But have decided it's important to me that I do it so am going to tell him tomorrow that I am going down in the next few weeks. (prob beginning of July)

I have read through it all but I can't remember a thing other than Susie having trouble with the pram. I don't know what to suggest as DD loves hers. I hope you have more luck with the sling.

[susiemj]

Hi

No problem Naetha! Another time would be great.

Lucky - she loves the sling - I think this is maybe why she doesn't like the pram. Hope you're having a better day today. Sabela has a kind of little bark which she does if I haven't put her to bed on time. IT does escalate to a full on wail if I dopn't respond!

Sabela seems to have had a worse reaction to her jabs this time. She has a 38 degree temperature and is obviously feeling very sorry - poor little scrap. Lots of cuddles today and DH is home sick and keeps making me chees eon toast! I'll be the size of a house by 5pm.

Ange - I got your message and did click the link, thanks. I just need 20 minutes to sit down and find out how facebook works. Not sure when that will happen!