Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

Hi all,

haven't been able to get on the PC in ages (still using DP's laptop when possible)- so have just read all the posts to catch up!

I have lost 3lb this week (weighed myself Monday morning...naked,... after a wee and before a cup of tea does that count as a loss? - okay - so it probably isn't really - but I'm just not quite ready to give up the newly aquired habit of 2 packs of Giant Parma Violet sweets per day

Went to the baby clinic this morning to get LO weighed too - she is now 14lb 1oz at 9 and a half weeks old! she's doing really well. Still not sleeping through the night tho'.

I too have spent a day going through all the 3-6 month clothes that have kindly been given to us. there are some really cute outfits in there - but the rate she is growing I don't think she will wear them all!!

Leesmum START 10st 4lbs CURRENT 9st 12lb TARGET 9st 4lbs
Egg START 8st 7lbs CURRENT 8st 7lbs TARGET 8st 3lbs
Beautiful START 12st 9lbs, CURRENT ??? TARGET 10st 4lbs
Sally START 11st 8lb (75kg) CURRENT 75kg TARGET 10st 7lbs (68kg)
Alkar START 10st 10 CURRENT 10st 7lb TARGET 9st 7
Gill START 9st 9lb CURRENT 9st 9lb TARGET 8st 7lb
Beansprout START 9st 7lb CURRENT 8st 12lb TARGET 8st 10lb
Rozzyrasperry START 11st 8lb CURRENT 11st 2lb TARGET 10st 3lb
Mutha2beagain START 10st 3lb CURRENT 10st0lb TARGET 9st 7lb
CountTo10 START 11st 6lb CURRENT 11st 2lb TARGET 10st 4lb
Gingermumi START 13st Current 12st 12lb target 11 st
BovrilSarnies START 11st 6lbs CURRENT 11st 0lb TARGET 9st 4lbs
Tyaca START 11st 7lb CURRENT 10st 13lb TARGET 9st 7lb
morningglory: START 7st10 CURRENT 7st10 Target 6st13
Omy: Start 11 st Target 10 st

Well, I had better get myself a cup of horlicks and get ready for bed, as LO will be waking up in about 50 mins for a feed. (am not normally up at this hour - but the last few days I've had probs sleeping.

will try and post again soon. xx

Morning all. Feel so much better today. Not sure if it is because it is Thursday and DS1 will go back to nursery, or because it is nearly the weekend, or because we tried dropping DS2's dream feed last night so he fed at 6:30pm and then didn't feed again until 6:00am . He did wake at 2am and cried briefly but went back to sleep without me going in. DD slept til 5am, but still had the 10pm feed.

Count I really feel for you. I have moments when I say to myself that I hate DH and that he is useless and I think I am better off without him but they are really really brief and I know 100% that I do love him to death and he is not at all useless, it is just me being overtired and overreacting. If you feel like that all the time maybe you need to sit him down and tell him. He sounds like he is being very unreasonable and to even think of going out as well when you are out for the night (fine if you are going out together...) is ridiculous, unless you both had long standing commitments. Anyway, will come back and chat more later, have to get DS1 ready for nursery and now DD is crying...

Count to 10 - that is really not on booking something like that without discussing it together first! How would he feel if you did the same? - sorry about the football -

Wow egg! DS2 is sooo clever to sleep through!

Hi! just popped on to try and catch up and saw my name mentioned yesterday so i must be psychic! Thanks for wondering about me; i forgot so quickly what a state i was in about DP once i had our beautiful son! Things are good between us and DP is a devoted daddy and seems to be different towards me and very loving. Life is good, y'know?

I'm absolutely loving being a Mummy; Elijah was 9lb2 at last weigh in 3 weeks ago (BW 6lb4, but dropped to 5lb10 in first 24 hrs). He's 9 weeks now and still breastfeeding well. He had his jabs on Tues, he cried (and so did I, and DP had a tear in his eyes bless him) He was sleepy in the afternoon, then got very hot and crying in the evening, temp went to 38.5 which was starting to get me very nervous. Gave him a dose of calpol and he was fine. He woke for feeds twice in the night - he uually goes from 10pm thru till 7am). He absolutley fine today, back to his smiley, cheeky happy self.

I suspect I'm a bit of a clingy Mummy; I dont like other people, apart from his Daddy obviously, to cuddle him. A friend of DP's came up two Sundays afternoon's on the trot; (we usually see him once year) brought his relatively new girlfriend who Ive never met and she had a long cuddle with Elijah. Was glad when she left. Then they came again this Sunday and they brought her teenage daughter with them (who had the dirtiest fingernails ive ever seen in my life) and the girlfriend and teenage daughter were just sat passing him to and from each other. i was getting really cross and had to leave them room so i didn't say anything. i dont even know these people and they've taken up two sunday afternoons groping my baby with their grotty hands! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh feel better for that.

well i better go, LO is fast asleep after feeding so will take this opportunity to eat and get dressed. Will try and visit you lovely girlies more often!

and will do birth story at some point, it was a long one, i need to do it for the baby's journal anyway; i will get round to it.......

Keep well everyone an your little angels, love to all xxxx

hiya tallulah, lovely to hear from you. i too am a bit of a clingy mummy ;-) i think the thing that puts my back up slightly is when she starts crying cause of hunger/tiredness//just too much stuff going on and people start to play and rock her etc. know they are just trying to help, but its really hard not to just whip her away and tell 'em she's much more likely to stop crying if they let her have some quiet rest ;-) ... ah the joys of pfb.

well, it's sunny here but such ominous rolls of thunder for the last few hours that i'm too nervous to go out for a walk. after a day like mitfords and gill's yesterday when esther really couldnt settle and cried loads, today she is being fab and for the first time when i've "played" with her toys she seems to be responding to them. i'm still keeping her away from her play mat for the time being, everytime i've put her on it she looks stunned for 30 secs then starts bawling! at the moment, the thing she seems to like to do most is to stare at her fist. its very sweet - i go in to check whether she's still sleeping and she's wide awake with her arm outstretched hypnotised by her hand.

egg - wd on ds2 12hour sleepathon

well, i am going to make the most of my afternoon in to get round to writing a letter to the hospital i had esther in. had a really bloody awful time there the night after esther was born and i;m still angry. esther cried for 6 hours solid, NO support feeding, was completley blanked by the MW at the desk as i paced trying calm her when i was clearly v upset. when i did ask for help after pressing my call button, the MW yanked back the curtain, took one look at us and said only this "put your boob in the baby's mouth" , pulled the curtain back again and walked off. such a discrepancy with the day staff who were fab. the stupid thing was i did not know that esther was crying because she was hungry , i thought she'd fed loads and i had no idea that when she was headbutting my boob at 2am she was rooting. i thought she was doing it because she didnt want more food and there was something else wrong. i was so so upset, i cannot believe i was ignored the way i was - the duty MW at the desk just kept tapping into her computer as esther and i both bawled our eyes out. and so aware of how much we were keeping the other mums awake. at one point i went and sat in the toilets down a corridor because i needed to sit down but didnt want to go back into the room and keep disturbing the others. the next day i found out there was a lounge with a telly and tea and hot choc, i wish i had known about that the night before. in an ideal world one of the MWs on duty would have told me about it and spent 20min with me and esther so i could be shown that a) she was just hungry and b) how to feed her when she was so upset (at home my CMW swaddled her when the same thing happened and it worked a treat).

sorry, that was longer than i meant it to be. ho hum

Tyaca - that sounds horrendous, you poor thing. Am really shocked at that awful MW's comment. If she can't be bothered with mums and babies, why be a MW?!!! Hope you get a decent response to your letter.
In terms of slings, I have a Close baby carrier. Easy to get ds2 out but not back in again without redoing the whole thing. At first, I was nervous about being out with him for too long in it in case I needed to redo the whole thing. Not sure why, I think I was just unused to it and didn't want to draw attention to myself while I was struggling (it's all about me!!! ) but now I have had a bit of practice and find it all a bit easier, I don't mind and just get him in and out as I would with a pushchair.

Egg - sleep tastic!!

Count - I would be miffed at dh booking a trip like that too . I also have moments with dh when I wonder why I am bothering but I must remember that sleep deprivation is evil and can do terrible things to our minds. Can you two just have some time to do something non childcare related?

Talluah and Bovril- lovely to hear from you!

Morningglory - dh is the same - has to watch the news report on the match he has just watched . I wonder if their little minds can't grasp what is happening...

Ds2 managed to puke all over 2 gro bags in 20 mins last night. He ended up in ds1's toddler sized one and it looked like Lady Diana's wedding dress on him.

Yay tallulah so glad things are going well for you and that DP is being a star. I must have special powers to draw you and mymissus to the thread again. So now we need the others to resurface! I hate seeing grubby fingernails anyway (apart from on kids) let alone someone handling my precious babies!

Tyaca am also appalled at that. I have heard many people say staff have been less than helpful after the birth at various hospitals but it really is very bad. As Beany said, why become a midwife if you have no empathy to mums and babies. I felt a bit the same about the night staff when I had DS1, they were very "rough" and made me feel about an inch tall because I couldn't bf properly and was crying all night. This time (diff hosp) it couldn't have been more different and I don't know if it was because I had twins or because the hospital itself was better / nicer but all the staff were lovely.

Beany you sound in better spirits today too, despite the night puking! I have four grobags that are 1 tog 0-6 months for my two, and we have had occasion where we have had to put one of them in the 2.5 tog one (too warm for their room really) but thankfully not had to use the bigger ones yet. Only got 3 05 tog ones for the summer so will have to see how we go. Like your wedding dress comment, you should have taken a pic.

I was v peed off as went into town earlier, got the babies weighed (14lbs 1 and 10lbs 5) and then went off to get a new phone. Spent nearly an hour in Phones 4 U and was just about to get my scrummy new phone when it turns out I am not due for an upgrade after all as my contract was in fact 24 months not 18. Now why didn't someone check that at the beginning. I wasted so much of my PRECIOUS time (babies were sleeping, I could have gone for a COFFEE FFS!!!!).

Anyway, back home, fed babies, both had huge feeds and have gone back to bed so am happy . Mum is due here in an hour or so . She is going to collect the little monkey from nursery so I don't have to take the babies out.

Now waiting for Mr Tesco to arrive. Hope he is better looking than the last one .

Oh I have the Baby Bjorn Active Carrier, and it is a "piece of piss" getting a baby in and out of. Saying that, I didn't use it much with DS1 and always found it a struggle, but as soon as you get used to it there's nothing to it. I had DD in it the other day and took her out to take her cardi off and put her back in when we were at the swings without a prob.

Tyaca - I have the bushbaby cocoon which is fab. The bit the baby goes into just clips out of the harness so you can lay them down without actually unstrapping them out of their bit iykwim. Great when they're sleeping.

Egg - you weren't far off with the twins weights - your scales must be really accurate! I hope the hv managed to put your mind at rest re dds weight.

Count - I think what you're feeling is pretty common. When we have babies our lives change so much - we have the physical changes to our bodies as well as going on mat leave or becoming sahm. It can feel quite isolating after you've had your baby as a lot of friends will be at work during the week and its harder to go to babies groups etc when you have older children. At the same time it feels as though the dads lives are just plodding along as usual so it can feel quite tough. However I do think your dh is being a bit unreasonable. I too would have been annoyed if dh wanted to go out on the one night in ages I was going out. Not sure why anyone would want to go out drinking when they're going to have to get up and feed a lo - it's hard enough when you haven't been drinking! £700 is a lot of money too for the weekend away - especially when you're on mat pay. Hopefully when he thinks about it he'll realise how unfair he's been. Men are a different bred though - I sometimes feel like I have 4 small boys rather than 3 - especially when I'm telling dh to tidy up all his junk (nagging wife alert).

All ok here - since ds3 found his thumb he's only been up once in the night - last night he went from 10 to 4 which is a record for us. I know it might not last though - ds2 slept through for a week when he found his thumb then started getting up again.

Nice to hear from you tallulah and bovril.

Bovril - just re-read your post properly and see your little DD is the same weight at 9 weeks as my DS2 is at 16 weeks! It is funny as I think he is ENORMOUS, he seems huge, but it is obviously just compared to DD and he is not big at all!

Tesco man been and gone. Was not a looker, bless him, but very nice. AND he brought my Heat magazine .

egg, i am slightly concerned by the attention you are paying the tescos delivery staff. sod what they look like, i'm just impressed when they manage to find our flat without umpteen calls. on monday, i got a call from them saying they were in the area and did i mind if i dropped off the shop early? he turned up three quarters of an hour later

i think i am going to get a baby bjorn. i find the close impossible bean and am going to ebay it (unless anyone here wants it? happy to send for £25 inc p&p)... the folds have unfolded themselves and have never managed to get them back properly... and such SWATHES of material. dh really not impressed at my ever growing sling collection. my reasoning that i got them all off ebay seems to hold no weight . makes me smile that dh was happy to spend lots of time and money on the choosing a pram but slings dont merit the same attention. its a boy toy thing i think.

while we're on the subject of puking - esther seems to have a spooky reflex whereby she pukes 30secs after peeing on her changing mat. you could set a sicky watch by it.

LOL at sicky watch.

I was not overly keen on Baby Bjorn with DS1 but really think I should have just persevered as use it so much now and have no probs. Do find it gets a bit heavy on the shoulders mind you, and DD is still only wee.

I really really hate to speak too soon, but DS2 seems to hardly ever projectile any more . Am sure he will do it next feed now I have said that.

Oops, forget to comment on my Tesco man obsession . Hmm, it kind of started because one of the girls on the multiples thread was discussing her waitrose or Tesco man and I joined in. Was quite amusing when I had my MN friend marmitemad here a month or two ago when the Tesco man arrived, we had to stifle a snigger when he walked in as he was soooo not hot. At our last house they never used to find us. Was a real bugger when you were waiting for your Friday night takeaway and the bloody delivery man was lost for hours...

Both DD's down for a nap but I suspect it won't last long enough for me to catch up.
We're moving house and we've got about 5 weeks to get it all sorted so I am stressed to say the least!
DD2 waking up lots at the moment, I'm hoping it is just a growth spurt or I think I may go mad being woken up 4 times before 6am.
DD2 is slowly getting back into cloth nappies now her granuloma has gone and i'd like to get DD1 onto the potty as nappy changing her is just too smelly now she's 2. We went to the zoo on monday and DD2 was good as gold, she slept in the buggy nearly all day. I wish DD1 had copied her instead of throwing tantrums and running off but nevermind.
DD2 seems to be starting to notice her hands, she did manage to cut the surface of her eye last week which looked much worse than it was & meant she wore socks on her hands for a few days.
I don't know how I am going to find time to pack up a house with 2 small ones - eeek!

Gill, my hv said they can go swimming anytime providing pool is warm, the old advice about wating until they've had all their injections no longer stands. I too must stop shopping, not only has my pay decreased hugely now but there's only so many cute outfits ds can wear! In fact I have hidden some in case it starts to look like i'm a shopaholic- maybe hiding them means I am a shopaholic ! Oh bugger!

Mmm count - i'd be bloody peed off too, sounds like he's not coping with being a daddy too well. When you feel a bit calmer could you try to talk to him? No magic answers I'm afraid but it must be very hard for you.

Tallulah - Don't blame you for being cross and protective, next time just say something like, 'oh i forgot to change him, better do it now' and swoop in and reclaim you ds!

Good to hear from you bovril!

Egg- lol! Especially at heat mag comment! I now have visions of you in car will your LOs signing 'we're off to london to buy heat magazine' a la TV ads!

Off to get a hot (hopefully!) cuppa before ds awakes demanding boobies!

Yes that is ME in the Heat ad, I get the DCs to sing along too . I love Heat, it keeps me in touch with all the important issues in the world... .

I realise ginger that I, too, am a shopoholic . I have just counted and I have 33 (yes THIRTY THREE) packets of baby wipes . They are buy one get one free at Tesco so every time I do online shopping I buy a few (£2.50 each normally so well worth it). Did not realise quite how many I had...

Tyaca - at your hospital experience. I can sympathise as I was in a similar position - screaming baby and no idea what to do - but the midwives were nowhere near as awful as yours. See if you can get a Baby Bjorn with lumbar support - mine doesn't and I can't really wear it for very long at all.

Mitford - not sure if there's any minimum requirement - might depend on pool and temperature. Ours was supposed to be 31c but it felt really really chilly.

Count - OMG that man needs a talking to. ARRRGHHHHHH.

I know a lot of you were watching football last night but did you see Embarrassing Illnesses (Fanjo episode)? Woah.

I'm another heat fan egg, and when I've read them my dad takes them home with him!

I am glued to The Apprentice on Wednesdays so no fanjos for me

On the subject of mags I;ve got into OK and then either a heat or now type one. It's my fri morning ritual now, ds1 goes off to nursery, I get my magazines and then sit and devour them with a cup of tea!!

Thanks for all the comments etc re dp. I just wish he's see that life has just changed and I shouldn't have to be the one to remind him we have responsibilities - especially as this isn't our first!!! I think this weekend will be a nice break away from each other and then maybe we can sit and have a chat and it might feel a bit better. Half the time for me is I bottle it all up and stew and he's ambling a long thinking all is well with the world - communicate woman!!!

I have to say I am also struggling with that isolation again. I feel a million miles away at the mo and more from a point of conversation than anything else. I miss being at work I think and being able to talk about non child non relationship stuff. All of my other friends either don't work or have jobs they're not that bothered about or do very often so it feels like thats all we talk about and I think it makes everything seem worse than it is sometimes.

And soooo moody about the football!!!

Our tesco man is absolutely never a good looking one - I will keep dreaming though that one day daniel craig might just need to take up delivering the shopping as part of method acting for his latest role and realise I am obviously the woman of his dreams!!!

Ds2 has been really sicky today and now appears to hate it if you're not sat talking with him which is proving a little difficult to say the least. Think he's at that point where he needs 'occupying' so putting him in his play gym a lot more and putting toys where he can reach them even though he's not able to lift them so he can see them just feel them!!

Hope everyone's ok and looking forward to a nice long weekend!!

Count - I'm really with you on the isolation front. I'm not cut out to be a SAHM and have huge amounts of respect for those that are. I just think that if I were a better mummy I would just enjoy it all more and not miss the challenges and variety that I get at work.

I think it will be better when the weather improves. I was really looking forward to having all this time to spend with the boys but at the moment all we do is get wet or go round peoples houses or go to soft play. Once its a bit nice we can go more places and then I won't feel so boring all the time!! There's only so many cakes I can bake and pictures I can stick with ds1!!! I do admire sahm;s though like you say - it's just not for me. Working part time is like a breath of fresh air - I know it sounds awful and it's not like I don't love them but I just like and want to be part of an entirely adult world for part of the week!!!

When will you go back to work? I think I will be back at the end of October. You are right, an improvement in the weather will make things a lot easier. April is pants as it basically rains every day so getting out is always a bit tricky.

Hi there - am also not cut out to be a SAHM - my DH is far better at housework and far more consistent with the kids than I am!.

Gill - I DID see embarrassing illnesses!!! OMG - just got a new TV and THAT is what is on! It was a bit close to the bone after what our fanjos have been through! (BTW I hate that word!)