Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

Hi everyone.

Pobletsmum - I'm not worried that DS3 is clingy as DS2 was the same. I just feel bad for DH that whenever he picks him up he cries for me. I know that'll improve over time though and maybe now that we're going to start giving him EBM a couple of times a week that'll help.

Morningglory - It's the TT closer to nature bottles we are using and it took it no problem. It's also the TT breast pump I've got which I'm having more success with than I did with the avent one. It comes with a steri-box to go in the microwave which is great cause it saves me getting the big steriliser out just for the breast pump and the odd bottle.

Egg - your ds is doing really well going on the buggy board. We've just started that with ds2 (3.5) and he's fine going to nursery but whiney coming home as he's so tired. Sometimes gets off because he says he's tired and wants to walk instead. Had a bit of a nightmare coming home from nursery today - DS3 wasn't sleeping and was a bit grumpty, DS2 was tired and grumpy and DS1 got a puncture on his bike and was really upset. Remind why I thought 3 would be a good idea.

On a more positive note I managed to fasten a pair of size 12 jeans today - they've always been a big 12 but pleased anyway. Off to run on my treadmill then might treat myself to some of the new flavour of ben and jerrys that I bought today

poblet what treatment did you have for the thrush? lo's has finished his nystatin and i don't think it's gone completely from his mouth. i've got nystatin cream for nipples but i'm still getting funny needly type pains in my breasts so i'm not sure i'm clear either. have to go to drs tomorrow to get more medicine i think, just want to know as much as poss before go. some people talk about flucazole?

Hi girls! Sorry, haven't been on for a couple of weeks, it's been a bit hectic up here, my sister wasn't well, uncle dropped dead, loads of fairly horrible stuff and no real time to get on here! hope everyone is ok, don't have time to read through everything and catch up, so if anyone has done a big catch up recently can someone point me in the right direction? thanks!
Meanwhile my 2 horrors are fab as usual, Alexis goes down about 7.30 - 8, same time as her big sister! and sleeps through till 4.30 at the earliest, as late as 6.30 some days..... we're getting there! dd1 was doing a 12 hour sleep by about 3 months, so i'm hoping Alexis will be the same! i don't know how those of you feeding 2 or 3 times a night are still coping, i'm not exactly a routine nazi, but i'm afraid alexis has never had a choice about the time she goes to bed! she's down to 5 feeds a day, and tends to want them about 5am, 9.30/10ish, 1ish, 5ish and 7ish, which is brilliant!
anyway, hope everyone is doing well, love lolo xx

Hi all

i find it hard to keep up with you guys!!

Well Cooper had his little 'op' i say 'op' as it was over in a bout 2 seconds flat! ( he had his tongue tie snipped for those that dont know) the consultant who did it was lovely and really informative and professional - as you would expect! Poor wee mite did have a yelp and a cry, cant blame him really, blood loss was minimal and yes i did have a little tear myself i was shown to a private room where i fed him and he settled down after about 5 mins. The first feed i felt a big difference in his latch and its getting better! He was abit whingy for the rest of yesterday and some of today. but this evening we are back to lots of smiles and hes even sticking his tongue out now! Hasnt affected his bedtime routine and went down like a star at 7 this evening, not expecting to hear from him till 1 ish... so i cant complain! All in all a good deed done i think.

Re buggy boards, my eldest (2yrs 3 mths) has one ( relegated from the double buggy to standing.. she wasnt impressed!) but prefers to walk. Thing is i have to take it out with me as she really doesn't walk all that far without getting tired!

Rozzy i use the closer to nature bottles for EBM feeds i used them with DS1 and he loved them, although all kids are diff, my daughter loved the MAM ones... impressed with your size 12 jeans, i was a size 12 when i was.....erm.....12!!!

diet...must diet..must diet]

Hugs to all xx

lol there is no link there, just a flukey mistake!!!

Hello all!!

I'm shocked at the more manual methods of snot extraction!!! Nasal drops are very good as it all comes sliding out a little later

We've started introducing lo to formula. Just doing one feed at moment which he's taken really well to. We're using Aptamil which he seems to be coping with ok although his nappies can be interesting!! Plan over the next few weeks is to get to a point where only first last and in the night feeds are from me and the rest is formula as there's quite a lot going to be taking me away from bubs in the next couple of months and I can't express the volume I need. Feel really mixed about it but I know I've been realy lucky to be able to do it and its not like I'm giving it up completely.

Don't think ds1 likes me much at the moment I'm the one who tells off and daddy is his god at the moment so feeling a bit left out. Ds2 though is just particularly gorgeous at the moment. Going to start taking ds1 out on my own though so he sees that I can be fun as well as the boring one!!!

missnat - hope the lo is a lot better now after his jabs, If I remember correctly, ds1 slept for ages after his first round of jabs.

Morning girls.

Lolo - so sorry about your uncle, from the sounds of it it wasn't expected so must have been a horrid shock. Hope your sister is ok now. Am impressed with Alexis and her sleeping! DTs sleep the same hours, but have the feed at 10pm as well . I am so tempted to drop that one for DS2 because I am sure he would sleep through til 4ish anyway, as he only seems to feed then if DD wakes him, and if she sleeps longer then he does too. He always starts stirring when I am making her feed and changing her nappy, very occasionally he stays asleep but not normally. Of course having fed at 4:20am, DS2 is not interested in his morning feed at all, and DD had 50ml. They now have to wait til 10am cos I am mean .

Count I have that with DS1 sometimes. Daddy is soooo much more fun than mean miserable mummy. It has been a lot better lately as I have been less tired, plus on the days my doula is here I have been able to take DS1 out on my own so we can have fun. However she is off this week and then she finishes next Friday so we will be all alone and it will be a struggle doing anything, esp timing outings around DTs feeds.

Whoever asked for the other half of my cake yesterday... it was already gone as had been eaten the day before. I just polished it off yesterday. I am a bit upset as normally can eat a lot of crap and it doesn't really make too much difference to my weight, but it is starting to creep up, my jeans feel tight and everything. So it really is time to start this weight loss thing seriously!

Jay glad Cooper is grand after his op. Must be such a relief to have him feeding properly at last and know it is all behind you now.

DS1 is not exactly enamoured with the buggy board. He is nervous if standing on it. Liked sitting on it on the way to nursery, but when he sat on it to come home he tipped off it and then didn't want to go back on. Then he needed a poo on the way home, so it took 30 mins to get home (can do it in 5 mins) as he went behind every bush and refused to follow me.

that was some poo then Egg.... "he went behind every bush"......HEHEHEHE

Hi All,

Is anyone thinking about their baby's future schooling at this stage? I?ve registered Marcus at a school. Last year we looked into schooling and selected one. If it works out he should be there from 3-13 years, and then on to secondary school, day or boarding yet to be decided but we have our favourites. This sounds so organised doesn?t it? A friend of mine put her baby's name down before birth and is only on the waiting list!
Must get ready for lunch as we are going out. Have a great weekend.

Erm no...not yet, they are only 3 months old so am more worried about their erratic feeding today, constant crying and how I am going to get to bedtime without having a nervous breakdown (can you tell I am having a bad day).

We hope DS1 (who is just two) will go to the local school next door to his nursery. It is luck though. We are in the catchment area so fingers crossed. Hoping DTs will follow, but even if DS1 gets in it is not guaranteed.

Blimey - that is organised!!! No we haven't thought about that but in all fairness I won't be sending either of them to private school so I don't have to do that just yet. We've only just started the trawl for ds1 and he's 3.5!!

We did toy with the idea of sending DS1 to public school but once we found out we were having twins we changed our minds as can't afford to send three, so wont be sending any. Round here (winchester) the schools are good anyway.

Saskia I've thought about my baby's future schooling - he can go to the same school that his brothers/sister are at! (Assuming we haven't gone bankrupt by then, but at least child #5 only pays half fees...) But when DS1 was a baby, no I didn't give schooling any thought. I guess you have to be very organised in London/Surrey though, as competition for places is so high; when we moved down here (Bristol area) we got all ours into a good prep school with just a few months notice.

Bear in mind that by the time Marcus is ready for school and you know him as a person rather than just a baby, you might have different ideas about what environment would be most suited to him, e.g. I would be very unhappy sending my 4yo to some of the prep schools round here, with blazers and homework for Reception, our prep school is more relaxed and less neurotic than some but with happier children (IMVHO). Have you looked at Montessori?

Same school through from 3-13 is good though - I was soooo glad my DS1 didn't have to change schools at 11, it would have been just the wrong time for him, whereas now he'll be going to the upper school in Sept much more confident and ready for a change. He'd love to board but the budget doesn't quite stretch to it unfortunately.

Slacker my DH always wanted his DCs to board when they are older as he and his brothers did and he loved it (both my parents did too and also loved it but my sis and I never boarded). We discussed being able to send DS1 to the same school DH went to and it would have maybe been possible with two children but if we tried that for all three we would be unable to do anything else except stay at home eating bread and water.

Having never been a boarder it would seem strange to me to send any DCs away, but saying that here I am with DTs in nursery for a whole day a week at age 3 months so maybe I would get used to the idea !!!

Anyway, am not worrying too much about schools at all yet, have bigger worries like how to get through the next year without becoming the shouty mummy that I turned into this morning.

All DC now in bed. Hallelujah. It was a tough morning tho.

princess - I know it's probably too late, but I've only just read your post. I printed a copy of Breatfeeding Network's thrush leaflet (google it), as it has the most up to date information including drugs & doses. Be prepared for resistance from your GP. Fluconazole is unlicensed in breastfeedng mothers, so GP has to take responsibility if prescribing it to you. Also make sure they give it to you in high enough doses. Nystatin drops are resistant to some types of thrush, and miconazole (Daktarin) oral gel and cream are currently thought to be most effective. I think we've finally kicked it after 5+ weeks of treatment!!!!!! I'll be back later to share some more tips if you want, e.g. iron your bras! Baby crying gotta dash!

Slacker just looked at your pics for the first time (wanted to remind myself what age all your DCs were!). Your children are so gorgeous. I love the one with DS3 helping you to bf DS4!

meant to say i printed leaflet & took to gp, suggest u do same.

Egg - glad you liked my photos; I haven't got any profile info up now, but my other boys are 13, 11 and 7, and DD is 4. Must put up a newer photo of DS4, he's changed so much since his birth day.

I didn't board either but wish I had...our school is day & boarding so at least we have the option of flexi-boarding occasionally. You can't imagine sending your little children off to school but by the time they're teenagers you can get used to the idea I've found . As for fees, well there are scholarships, that's my plan for keeping all mine in their school and not having to move them to a cheaper one

Glad your day with the DTs improved!

poblet, thanks for info. i've read the leaflet, has made me a bit more fussed about everything. i didn't manage to read it before i went to the crap gp this am unfortunately so we got more nystatin liquid for him. i'm worried because the pains in my breasts are getting worse and typically it's now friday night so no dr til monday at the earliest. did you have the fluconazole poblet? do you know if it has any adverse effects on the baby? do you have to wash the bras on 60 degrees and iron them or could you just iron them? it says sterilise the dummies, but how often?
not been a great 24hrs in our household. dd has a temperature, woke all through night and then screamed from 5am ensuring everyone in our house and next door was kept awake. obviously this was interspersed by the endless feeds of a 4 week old and the petty bickering of 2 sleep deprived parents-so pathetic-oh, and to top it all, dh was so knackered this am that he failed to notice the plug was blocked in the shower and the water had risen round his ankles until he came out and saw a mini lake in our bedroom next door. so now have huge ugly brown stains on dd's bedroom ceiling downstairs and need to find a painter and probably a plasterer. the fantastic news is that my mother has taken pity on us after i broke down in tears and is taking dd out from 7am tomorrow so we can catch up on a bit of sleep.
so glad op went smoothly jay.
egg big sympathies on losing doula, horrible!

dh is driving me mad, so pathetic with the sleep deprivation, lots of sighing. and even worse it's a direct replica of all the things that irritate me about his mother.-even worse than that, i told him so...and even worse than that, he's invited her down on thursday without consulting me really can't deal with her right now.
sorry for rant. must stop and go to bed instead.

oooh, DH is asleep on the sofa. i made us both hot chocoltaes with whiskey. have drunk mine and am v tempted to start on his...

all ok-ish here. esther (i dont think i can call her dd here for some reason) is still a slave to her guts. i think its been a bit of a shock to stop pooing so much and she hates being bunged up, plus the farting really upsets her. BUT baby massage helping, as is giving her some water between feeds. saying that, i do still have at least one moment a day when i'm convinced social services are going to turn up on doorstep cause a neighbour has reported the crying . she is an ace night sleeper though, and when her guts arent giving her jip, she is wonderful. she seems to be v sociable - whenever guests here, no matter what mood she was in before, she's all gurgles and coos and smiles

i backed the winner of the grand national and used the cash (plus some from DH) to get 3-month membership of gym. joined on weds and have been twice. also dieting proper now - and really enjoying it. strange, huh? tbh, i'm relishing just having a goal.

going to put some pics on my profile.

Hi everyone.

Not posted for a while as i stayed with my parents for 2 weeks. I developed post-natal depression and have now got anti-depressants and am feeling better and not quite so anxious.

Katie is ok and enjoying her bottles.

Hi all, don't get any time to post. Just catching 5 minutes while LO rocks backwards and forwards in the swing chair and DD roams around looking for the next naughty thing she can do!

Need to read all and catch up a bit.

All DP and I seem to do is bicker and argue- can't be normal can it? Really gets me down.

Gave up breast feeding last week. I gave hre a good start I do really miss the bond though. Anyone know how long it is until they forget about breastfeeding and stop trying to attack the boobs when holding them. I just want a nice cuddle!

Advice please- I am now bottle feeding and all LO seems to want to do is feed, feed, feed. Do I just keep feeding on demand? It seems to never end! I can't remember how long, if it is a growth spurt it lasts for. On the plus side she has slept from 10pm to 6am for the last 3 nights. Probably totally full up from all the milk!

hi ladies, i've only got 5 mins but wanted to say take care to LOVEMYMUM, i'm sorry you've been having a tough time, at least it's been diagnosed and you are on anti-d, look after yourself and don't forget to keep us all up to date with how you are, even if it's just to have a good whinge, that's what we're here for. xxx

I'll catch up with the rest of you later

Ahha Ds2 is fast asleep in the kitchen because the fan is on anD Ds1 is watching space pirates, so i have a bit of time

Samsmam it sounds like your lo is doing great, i would love to get james to sleep from 10-6, so make the most of it because it doesn't always last! and as for Dp well we are bickering over silly things as well, it seems to be a common problem when couples have a new baby, i think you're both probably just tired and it doesn't take much to tip me over the edge

Tyaca Esther is so cute i love her fluffy hair and i'm sure she is crying no more than anyone else's baby, try not to worry

Princess you deserve a medal for continuing to bf after everything you've been through, how is your daughter geting on with Ferdie? has the novelty of a new baby worn off yet?

Egg i meant to say the other day yout twins are beautiful, they are really filling out are'nt they? i just love great big chubby cheeks. My Ds1 has always been ok on his buggy board but when we first got it he wasn't too sure so we told him that sportacus had one and used it all the time, now when he gets on it he says "someones in trouble mum" lol

Count we got a letter through this week letting us know all the info about Ds1 starting nursery at the local school, he suddenly seems very grown up, i can't believe he will be starting school soon, its the same one i went to but when we were taught by nuns, and some of them were nasty pieces of work, some i still see now and are lovely women. We have been giving lo a bottle of aptimil at 7pm for a month now and he seems to enjoy it, daddy loves his time with james as well, and like you i think we will gradually start introducing more formula, it's not that i want to give up bf but sometime i still find it a bit restrictive and i'm not always completely confident about bf in public. Im still hugely proud of myself so doing so well with bf though, even though recently lo keeps coming off to smile/gurgle at me...i love it

Take care everyone else and sorry for not responding to all of you, i just wish i had more hours in the day!