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December 2006 drag yourselves over here!

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Indith · 14/02/2008 11:49

Oooops no room to link to old thread!

Lol at AQ forgetting that she is pg Sure the madness will pass. And don't worry about my chocolate supply, I live round the corner from Tesco

Jabber I think you should pop ds in the post and I'll sned him on holiday with all my clibing friends, they do similarly dangerous stunts on a larger scale. He'd have a ball

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FunkyGlassSlipper · 09/05/2008 20:04

LennieD. Bit of a boom going on!

FunkyGlassSlipper · 09/05/2008 20:05

so excited I posted twice

I have decided to sort through all babys stuff soon and start selling it. We have everything you can imagine! Just need to get around to it

LenniEd · 09/05/2008 20:09

Thanks FGS . Last time I was puking at 5 weeks and had boobs like overfilled waterballoons, this time nought - feel like an imposter!

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Indith · 09/05/2008 20:09

That is what I did with the tomatoes and strawberries, would have to get some grobags for more stuff as have used all my pots. Not much in the way of ready grown plants in B&Q, there is a sale on at the botanics on Sunday but I have church parade in the morning (bets now being taken on how many girls will turn up given that I have 4 nos and no yeses so far) and dp is taking me to lunch and bra shopping in Newcastle in the afternoon.

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jabberwocky · 09/05/2008 20:10

Congrats, Lennied!!

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Indith · 09/05/2008 20:11

How far along Lenni? Have you managed to slip into the end of December or are you over into Jan?

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LenniEd · 09/05/2008 20:12

Try online Indith - there are a few places that do organic too, although I now have my doubts about the benefits of organic food after reading a piece in the Independent (or was it the Guardian??) a week or so ago. Was shocked and horrified, but it seemed to make sense. Haven't cancelled my veg box yet though.

LenniEd · 09/05/2008 20:17

5 weeks Indith, only found out this morning. Only DH (and the people who were unfortunate enough to be in his meeting this morning when I called him ) know so far - except all of you of course! Not worked out due date yet, think it'll be Jan... ... 12th Jan... oooh, feels a bit more real now.

LenniEd · 09/05/2008 20:40

Thanks Jabber... wow we are busy on here tonight!

Elibean · 09/05/2008 21:00

Lennied!!! congratulations!! Wishing you the smoothest of pregnancies...wow, the student contingent is doing well !

Speaking of which, well done Indith...hope you enjoyed the chocolate and ER (unbeatable combination) and get a few good nights' sleep to boot.

Am slightly wiped out with post-migraine-ish-ness today, think I overdid things after surgery (was a confusing procedure, nothing to remove but at the same time they gave me whopping great drugs). So off for very early night, in hope of bright early start for picnic in country tomorrow...

Oh, and bedtimes - dd2 usually between 7 and 7.30 (can't keep her eyes open) and dd1 between 8 and 8.30 (stays in bed singing and chirruping till 9pm most nights) and they wake up anything between 6.30pm (dd2) and 8pm (either) depending on how tired they are. THough atm, the light is beginning to wake them both up horribly early

accessorizequeen · 09/05/2008 21:23

I knew it, I knew it would be this month! Congrats, Lennied!!!! Hope no puking AT all this time round Impossible not to get excited IMO. I read that piece in the paper too and as we're budgeting I'm buying less organic but must admit a lot of thing did just taste better (e.g. carrots, milk).

When's your due date, Indith? Mine's October 1st in theory.

Eli, take it easy now, doesn't matter about the surgery you haven't had an easy winter!

LenniEd · 09/05/2008 21:29

LOL Eli at yours waking up at 6.30pm/8pm....

Right, off to watch my recorded gardeners world! Slightly down a notch on ER but DDs love of the outside world has inspired me to get the garden in shape...

LenniEd · 09/05/2008 21:33

Thanks AQ... if only I'd had your foresight I wouldn't have sold my moses basket! Oh well, at least I have one thing to shop for ... unless, shock of all shocks , we have a boy and then I'll have a lot to shop for... but that isn't going to happen ick, not with my loft full of girl clothes...

babypowder · 09/05/2008 22:21

Yay, LenniED I'm just ridiculously excited on behalf of all of you pregnant women! You must be delighted!

On the question of seedlings, etc, try Freecycle. We seem to have a good little gardening section going, and I've managed to get rid of hundreds of tomato seedlings that way. Better than them ending up in the compost heap, anyway!

ZeMNetterWithZeBigBoobies · 09/05/2008 22:58

Congratulations Lennied - I'm wondering what is in the water at the moment. I'm surrounded by pregnant women.

jabberwocky · 09/05/2008 23:35

What's the deal with organics?

solo · 09/05/2008 23:42

Hello!!!

babypowder · 10/05/2008 09:01

Hello, Solo - are you well?

Jabber, I was wondering that, too!

LenniEd · 10/05/2008 10:44

[[http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/the-great-organic-myths-why-organic-foods-ar e-an-indulgence-the-world-cant-afford-818585.html Great Organic Food Myths - Why organic foods are an indulgence the world can't afford]

Article from the independent - was a bit surreal when I saw it in the paper since the Independent have always been at the forefront on environment issues and are always reporting about climate change etc. The soil association have written a response, [http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/the-great-organic-myths-rebutted-822763.html Here]

LenniEd · 10/05/2008 10:45

Try that again:

Great Organic Food Myths - Why organic foods are an indulgence the world can't afford

Soil Association response

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Indith · 10/05/2008 11:45

Interesting reading. SO hard to get things "right" It is all about balance though don't you think? Like realising that food miles are not the be all and end all and that it is far more environmentally sound to buy imported Spanish tomatoes at this time of year that have been grown outside than to buy British ones that have not travelled as far but have been grown in heated greenhouses. And accepting that food comes in seasons and you can survive without apples for the couple of months between the end of the British apples in storage and the coming of the early eaters at the end of summer. I get an organic box because organic tends to go hand in hand with the above. The contents of my box are seasonal and almost all grown in North Yorkshire/County Durham with the exception of a few imported bits at this time of year when Britain is busy replanting for the summer. It is almost impossible to buy even British food at the supermarket (they only seem to have imported broccoli, give me my purple sprouting darn it it is in season!). Meat, which as a country we really do eat far too much of, comes from a local farm shop. It is not organic but it is local and comes from smaller scale farmers.

The meat part of the article interested me more than the veg actually because unlike veg there is the element of animal welfare there. Statistics given are only comparable on the assumption of eating meat on the same scale. Take chickens, a family eats a bought chicken pie one day, a breast each another, and does a roast on Sunday. So probably amounts to 2.5 whole chickens. Chicken is seen as a basic necessity. You could buy a big free range/organic bird (free range being more key here personally, my cousin once went down the road to get eggs from an organic place as she had forgotten to get them at the market and found battery organic hens). Legs come off for a "roast", that is 4 portions, 2 thighs and 2 drumsticks. The breasts next, one between 2 is plenty for stirfry or curry etc. Wing tips get frozen and saved up each time you buy a chicken til you have enough for spicy wings or something. Boil up the carcass, that makes plenty of stock for 2 meals (risotto, soup etc) and before you chuck it out take all the rest of the meat off from around the wishbone, the little fillets off the bottom etc. That gives you a nice little mound of scraps that can do a round of sandwiches or a pie. If we went back to a more old-fashioned attitude towards the amount of meat we consume we wouldn't need farming on such an intensive scale and the environmental impact of switching to more natural farming with better animal welfare would be negligible. Of course it is never going to happen, which is why I am going to go live on a remote island and keep sheep.

//end off topic rantage

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ZeMNetterWithZeBigBoobies · 10/05/2008 15:45

See this is what I like about our Dec 06 thread.

Lots of passion about a variety of topics. We have FLYladies ( @ FGS, Ethical Living @ Indith)

and lots of incessant chattery nonsense from me

jabberwocky · 10/05/2008 20:42

Heck, just as I was jumping on the organic bandwagon

Olihan · 10/05/2008 21:09

Ooh, congratulations LennieD .

I think it's particularly lovely that nearly all our dcs are similar ages. Alot of the older ones are 4ish, then the Dec06 babies, now the next 'round' will all be within a couple of months in age too. It means we can support on more than just the 06ers!

Wedding yesterday was brilliant. No slebs (apart from a couple of weather girls but they don't do our region so I was clueless) but lots of DH's mates from school who are very, very funny. I got very, very drunk and was very, very hungover this morning [shamefaced ]. I also spent the night with 8 drunken lads - bunks in a Youth Hostel, no less - which was an experience I won't rush to repeat. Why do boys smell so bad when they are in a drunken sleep ?

Will have a look at the organic stuff when I'm less hungover! I tend to buy local meat from the village butcher now, which isn't organic but I know is 'happy' meat. We're debating about a veg box but we're not sure how much we'd use and if it would be economical. There's a farm shop nearby that's known as the '£50 shop' because of it's prices so I tend to avoid it. I just want to be less reliant on Tesco, tbh.

I'm joining Margo on the pointless rambling table now!

LenniEd · 10/05/2008 21:32

Thanks Oli Its only just sinking in today. We still keep saying "IF I'm pregnant...." but DH asking about names just now... talk about previous!!

I would try out a local box scheme and see how you go. We have a mixed fruit and veg box each week and some milk, eggs and occasionally some meat delivered. It is all lovely and fresh and we get lots of variety. Anything that we're not keen on or have too much of we give away to people rather than let it go to waste.

I order online from Tesco my main groceries - cupboard stuff, household stuff etc - I have figured out that aside from it being easier for me it also saves me driving to the supermarket and using petrol, and the van does about 15 deliveries on the same journey so it must be more environmentally friendly that way

Anything perishable I buy locally, although we are lucky living out in the sticks that we know a few farmers so can get hold of 'farm produce' without paying farm shop prices.

I find boys when collected together smell generally. It must be some kind of biological thing from back in the day (caveman days that is) - perhaps they produce extra pheromones (sp?) in their battle for a mate!!

Jabber, don't jump off the bandwagon yet - like Indith says you just have to be smart about what you buy. In my local supermarket they often sell organic veg that has been imported from South America - it depends why you are buying organics, some people buying them just for health reasons might not care where they come from, but for me it is about health and sustainability. I try to buy seasonal first and foremost and local/organic/fair-trade if that is an option but there is no perfect answer, and I'm fortunate that I have the time to shop around for things and live in a rural area.