April 2007 ...... as the last stragglers trudge wearily over .......

[CaptainDippy]

That ok!!?

Glad all is better in your household SOKL!

Just got back from church, DD2 sleeping in cot, DD3 sleeping in hallway in car seat and DH out with DD1 who will soon be asleep in her pram in the living room ..... ..... THREE sleeping girls ..... We managed it!

Nutty - I left some info on your coccyx pain on the last thread .....

glad to hear it Elkie

it's Ellie by the way

PMSL
just did that classic Ellie thing of seeing a post from a name i didn't know in Active convos, logged in here to find that person was me with my namechange

duh

Hi Girls, sorry I´ve not made it on lately.. things have been busy around here but I´ve been trying to keep up when I can, just no time to post.

Sending lots of thoughts to Vio and her family..

smole Just wanted to let you know that my cousin was born with down´s several months before me, quite a severe form I think, I don´t know much about the categories but he could never have gone to a mainstream school, for example. He had heart problems as a baby and he is now a fine 30 year old man, I hope you and your family can give each other lots of love and support at this time, you will get through it xx

Congrats to glitterkitty!!!!

Eca - great news about the tongue tie, we´re seeing the doc on monday so we´ll see what they suggest. The nurse confirmed he had one so we just need to see if they will do anything about it. She told me it would not affect his feeding at all well we´ll see..

Got to go, again! But chat soon. Also thoughts to Weeonion if you speak to her GMM xxx

Ange thanks for the update re Smole and Jesse. Thinking of you both.

How is everyone today?

We are ok. Think tho that K might have colic as the last 2 evenings from about 7.00 until 10.00, every time we feed her it seems as though she is in agony. Unable to get wind up, but seems to be in real pain. She then goes down fine eventually, and then when me/dh do the 3.00 a.m. ish feed, and in fact any other time, she is fine. Really strange.
Seeing the community nurse today, so see if she can shed any light, although I don't have much faith in her/HV.

Maveta, good to see you.

Zaza,s, still have no idea how you cope. How old are your other 4 children?

Need to grab a shower while all is quiet on the K front.

xx

I'm sorry for doing this to you all but I'm going to rant. I don't have anyone else to rant to. I feel like crap for doing it on here.

I'm fed up. I'm in pain all the time and no one cares. I'm fed up of telling mw, HV and docs and being told 'yeah, give it a week'. My family all keep taking the piss cos Alan's doing so much of the work, so I've given up telling them I'm not ok. Alan's parents have started being arsey about everything. Alan knew I needed support and he should know how much pain I'm in. He came home the other day to find me in tears from it. I wasn't well yesterday (ill as well as in pain) so he arranged to work from home. I knew he was to go to York today (works thing) but I thought he'd arrange the day off if I was still ill. He didn't . He knows I'm not well enough to manage for a full day on my own (he's been doing morning feed & coming home at lunch) but he's got to cause an argument about it. Going on saying "do you WANT me to take the day off?". It's clear he was just looking for permission to go. I told him just to go cos it was obvious that's what he wanted. So he went. He knows fine well that I can't manage but he always has to make me admit it. I feel like a failure...I feel like everyone just wants me to say I've got PND and I'm not in pain at all really. He even questionned how I feel about Erin last night. I just don't want anything more to do with him.

Oh nutty i don't know what to say I just wanted you to know that someone is here now listening and I hope someone with some advice can help later.

Please don't worry about ranting on here, we all do it and it does help, even if only a little bit.

Sending you a big virtual hug Sorry i can't help anymore than that

Thanks Eddas.

Morning!

Nuttygirl - what sort of pain are you in?? Things will get better (which I am sure you know) but that doesn't help you at the moment does it? This is the right place though to tell us how you feel.

Sexonknackedlegs - I am not sure how I do it Other kid are 5,6,7,9 and being at school during the day helps! They are also well 'trained' - my 9 year old dd can me make me a great cup of tea! It is after school that the fun begins - every day there are different activities so the baby was at the pool for a gala at one day old! That and the mess - I just try to remain 'zen' about it!

As for the colic - sounds just like my baby - she wants to frenzy feed roughly between 7 - 10pm - constantly on the boob and then completely frantic - like in pain straight after. She is fine all the rest of the time. It is so common in young babies and will go away. Try cranial osteopathy - it worked for my others and I am taking her next week. Otherwise it is just a waiting game until they grow out of it and I promise they will!

Maveta - hope you little man's tongue gets taken care of...

Off to register the baby today - it will be exactly 3 weeks to the hour that we will be doing it - time flies!

Think I've damaged my coccyx while giving birth. It's agony when I'm sitting feeding Erin. Also when I kneel on the floor to change her (there's nowhere else to do it) my legs go like jelly and it takes ages to get back up.

Nutty, I am really sorry that you are in pain and not well. Sorry to be dense, but is the pain from childbirth? Did you have a c section? I am really sorry, I can't remember. I would press to see the GP again if it is - or see another GP? I don't know what to suggest really, but wanted to acknowledge your post.

Also sorry to hear you and Alan are having a bit of an off patch. And btw, do NOT ever think you are a failure. Being a mum is effing hard work and if you are feeling poorly and not getting the support you need, then it is 100 times worse.

Zaza's, really glad to hear it isn't just Katie then. It is just so bizarre - as you say, K has a period of when she seems starved to death, I feed her (bottle) and it seems to cause her such pain. I have to say I was getting hacked off last night, and just wanted to run away from it all. Then I felt guilty, as it isn't her fault. I have started giving her Infacol, just to see if it makes a difference. Might look at this cranial osteopathy thing as well, as again, I guess this can't do any harm.

Right, her ladyship has woken up starving again, so need to head off.

Back later!! x

Hi nutty. Sorry to hear you are having a hard time of it. Could you change Erin on the bed or in her cot or something just to save you having to get right down on the floor? Just a thought. What you are saying pretty much mirrors what I went through with dh after ds was born. How we got through it I actually dont know as I was ready to walk out. I had PND and I am not saying that is what you have at all, but I am sure you are struggling physically in the same way that I was mentally IYSWIM. My dh would help some of the time but I think he almost wanted to see that everything was fine and didnt want to admit to himself that it wasnt. He just carried on his life of going to work, going to rugby etc and I felt like all I was good for was looking after the baby. Will he sit and listen to you if you try to tell him how you feel. Are there any other doctors in your practice that might be more helpful? Come on here to rant anytime, there is always someone around who will listen.

Eddas, lol at the swing! He now knows what a fairground ride is!!

Oooggs, impressed at you getting your three to bed by 8pm. V actually!

Eca, glad the tongue tie is sorted. Hopefully the feeding can settle down now too.

Elkie, glad the bf is going a bit better. Its so hard in the early weeks. I am at 6 weeks now and it does get easier.

Hope all well today, cant remember any more.

Oh almost forgot, smole I am thinking of you and your family. I really hope that things improve soon and you can get some quality time at home with Jesse xxx

Thanks everyone for the support. No I didn't have a c-section but I gave birth on my back (cos I had pethidine and it was the only position I felt ok in as I had to be on the bed and any other way I felt dizzy). DH would listen and he'll do anything if I ask him to do it. I just don't get why I have to ASK. Not sure about changing Erin on the bed...tbh our beds are quite low so don't think it would help that much and I'd be a bit nervous carrying Erin up/down stairs. All the docs are a bit useless - they just seem to want to write a prescription and get rid of you. The one I've been seeing is the nicest one there. I just don't think he gets that telling me to take loads of painkillers and wait & see is of no use whatsoever when I can't really look after Erin properly. If he could just suggest some practical solutions to my problem it would help.

Mammyjo - sorry to hear you had PND. I feel a bit like everyone thinks that's what the problem is with me (I've had depression in the past) and I know that it's not. I feel like all the docs etc son't really believe I'm in pain and I now feel like DH is starting to doubt me.

I guess it's quite hard for DH too. With the anaemia I've had and all the pain killers, I'm pretty tired all the time and wanting to sleep a lot. I think it looks a lot like when I had depression (I didn't want to get up and do anything then). I can sort of see why he might think it's PND.

Oh nutty
Could you buy a changing table? Toysrus do them, although I don't know what they're like.
I agree it sounds hard on your DH too, but that doesn't make it any better for you, I feel so sorry for you ill and in pain. It sounds as though you need to spell it out for him how you're feeling and tell him what you need him to do, I know you shouldn't have to

nuttygirl - sorry to hear you are feeling lousy. After DS1 (this baby is DS2), I had an undiagnosed infection for 12 weeks!!!!!!! At my six week check, I said that I was still bleeding, it smelt funny and so on, and the doc didn't even look or take a swab or wee sample, just said it was normal I went back at 12 weeks, said to a lovely locum that it wasn't good enough, he took a swab and I then got treatment. Within 3 days I was fine. So I have every sympathy with what you are going through, and would strongly advise seeing another doc if possible. Though I realise the thought of sorting that out probably makes you tired just thinking about it.

As for PND - the problem is, the non-hormonal kind can manifest through lack of support, so even though you feel you don't have it now, you could be vulnerable to it. Tell your DH this. Show him some of the replies on this thread, maybe? It is important to get the help you need for the physical stuff to prevent getting extra problems. Not saying you will, by the way (you probably won't) - just that you don't want to be made vulnerable to the possibility.

Anyway, just wanted to show my support.

Sick - funny, I've been worried about this today, as well; DS1 has almost never been sick in 27 months, but DS2 is a right old sick monster. From reading this thread, I think it is probably normal.

slings - someone asked about them, but I can't remember who I am using a Freedom Carry & Corry padded job. Very nice, very easy to use, but I do not believe the claims that it will go up to 35 pounds, and intend to change to my rainbow wrap when Gabe is around four months or so, I think.

Smole - my thoughts are also with you.

Love to all,
xx

Nutty - Sorry to hear you're feeling crap. Could you change Erin on the sofa downstairs? I did this with Izzy for a while after c-section.

Have you thought about seeing a chiropractor or oestiopath(sp) for the coccyx, it may be that something has become misaligned during the birth. I know it really helped with my SPD. Just a thought.

Also want to echo SOKL - you are not a failure looking after babies is hard work.

Eddas - PMSL at the fairground ride

Elkie - Glad bf is getting better. Agree with Mammyjo it does get easier.

SOKL & Zazas Izzy is very similar in the evenings also, wants to feed every hour between 7 and 11, but then settles until 5ish so I'm not complaining too much. I think she cluster feeds to go longer through the night. I have thought of trying infacol, in case it's colic, but from what I remember with Jake the crying was much more intense than Izzy's is.

I've just looked at the stats thread . Who would have thought we'd have so many more boys than girls?

Hello.

Can I ask a weird question please.

I need to get my hair cut. I have booked a Saturday, so dh can look after the girls, but the appointment is weeks away.

Would you just bite the bullet and take your new baby with you during the week? Or would you stick with the Saturday?

I know this seems such a crap topic in light of all the difficult issues people are facing, but your thoughts would be appreciated. x

I replied to Smole's text to say that we are all here if she needs to talk and I asked if she minded if I text every now and then to see how they were.

She replied "Of course that's ok. If there were more hours in a day i might have time to post online"

Haven't heard anything back from isabelly yet though.

Ange, does Izzy cry out in pain as well whilst feeding during that time period?

I feel that K probably has a pain in her tummy that she assumes is hunger but maybe isn't, as she sucks for a bit and then cries out in what appears to be pain.

SOKL - I took Izzy with me when I had my hair cut and coloured 2 weeks ago. Izzy slept the whole time. If the worst happens you could feed her. I think I'd bite the bullet and get it done...I always feel so much better after having my hair done!

Thanks Ange, I suppose the only thing is it is a bit more of a faff as I am bottle feeding, but as you say, it isn't a massive issue.

Also, I wondered whether you fancied meeting up soon, and maybe waspelly as well, seeing as we are all pretty local.

Izzy comes on and off the breast much more at those feeds and does cry but like I said it doesn't seem as intense as with Jake and she does seem to be placated whereas Jake just screamed and couldn't be placated even with milk. Maybe you should mention it to HV/nurse and see what they say?