March 2007 - All present and correct now

[LunarSea]

Morning all - new thread as the old one's about to hit the 1000 posts limit.

Not so great this morning - feel like an egg-bound chicken IYSWIM. Grrr - especially as I managed to avoid it all the way through pregnancy. And not sure if there's anything I can take for it while I'm feeding?

i have posted a couple of messages and they don't seem to have appeared - who knows what I did.

getting sleep here - dd3 feeds around 10 ish and then goes through any time from 2 - 4am.
she then feeds around 7ish which gives me the chance to get everyone sorted and dropped at various activities before she needs another feed around 9.30am.

have two older dds though that we would swap for very little they are just pushing the boundaries but I find despite getting sleep I am so tired at the moment - think everything is catching up on me - dd3 had a few restless nights over the weekend. So two feral beryls to contend with - lots of ignoring any instructions mum and dad give them, screeching and being very silly and rough with each other. DOing all the things they know they are not supposed to. Am sure it will settle down eventually. Probably an age phase as well as reaction to new babe.

mossie i love my coffee - found a fab decaf I could perc and it is great - don't feel like I am missing out and dd3 is not hyper from the caffeine.

not much else happening here - just the usual busyness. Mother's day coming up soon - have to start thinking what I would like. ALso off to see stage production of Grumpy Old WOmen next week - show on BBC/ABC here - should be fun!

Better go - have a morning tea for our down syndrome parent group and I am organising food - need to get it sorted and get ready to go.

first chance to get on mumsnet for ages! i seem to spend all day bf and amusing our baby had vistor today who wanted to know what time was best cos of my "routine" oh how I laughed

have quickly read top lot posts and glad everyone seems so bouncy!

dive, fingers crossed re your neighbours!

Interesting about the coffee - all decaff here these days which I suppose could have some bearing on why Toby is so laidback, whereas ds1 used to be a nightmare to get to sleep. Does make me wonder why in the post-natal ward in hospital they only have normal coffee - no decaff in sight?

quick one before I drop dd off.
PND, last night when Finn would not settle I felt totally out of control and had to walk out and I know he is an easy happy baby. But I could not cope.

I love him, adore playing and smiling with him but feel joyless IYSWIM

I can still laugh but I now notice with my two other kids I'm not enjoying them so much and I have great kids who are a peice of cake to have around.

Do you think it's just tiredness head case or is it worth mentioning to someone?
I feel useless...

Eidsvold good luck with the morning tea!

Piffle, maybe mention that to someone..isn't there a questionaire sort of thing that hv's use? Every now and then I get overwhelmed from lack of sleep and have no will to get dressed or brush my hair. but I still know in my bones that I'm not depressed, touch wood (pats head) So if you are not sure, definately keep an eye on it!

Spongecake lol at you making fun of your 'routine'

Piffle, it's a tough one. I've had pnd many times. Atm I feel worse than I have EVER felt post baby, dh says I'm exhausted and that's it's not the pnd (at least not yet).
I know exactly what you are feeling.
Why not talk to someone anyway? That way you feel that someone is keeping an eye.
You could agree to see how you are feeling in a week or so?
Then if you're still feeling bad maybe try some ad's and see if they help?
{{hugs}}

TheBlonde - Nystatin can take 7-10 days to get rid of the pain so I'd start it ASAP if I were you (hope you read this ...)

hello everyone, hope there's room for a little one! I had my ds on 19th March; 10lbs +!! He's my first and a bobby dazzler. I have been feeling very wobbly and tearful but that seems to be getting a bit better. Still can't quite believe how much hard slog caring for a tiny is - no-one told me! Sometimes feel surreal from lack of kip. Going to a bfing 'cafe' today; should be interesting.. DS gaining weight well but feeding not always easy; think he may have mild reflux. Anyone got any experience of this?

Just a quick question. Does anybody use a fabric sling? Like the ones which go over your shoulder? I have a slingeasy one. I am not sure if I am wearing it right because baby seems all cramped up inside it with his legs stuck around my side. Is that meant to be like that? He seems ok in there but looks uncomfy top me!

Hi Ettenna! 10 lbs, wow. And a boy, this thread is 2/3 baby boys Isn't it funny. Have fun at the bfeeding cafe, I'm going to a cafe today too and I'm going to turn it into a bfeeding one

Hi chocolatepenny no idea about the sling, babies always seem to love them though.

Chocpenny, I use the tricotti cloth slings atm. I did have a slingeasy type but never really got on with it.

Morning ladies,

Diva / Kitty pmsl at you two pairing off your kids already!

Jay I'm sorry things aren't going so well. I've no advice as I'm so new to this myself, a dummy worked for me but I imagine you've tried it already. I guess it's a platitude but it will pass eventually. {{{hugs}]}

Ettenna hello and welcome!

Piffle sorry you are feeling bad, my hv came over yesterday and I mentioned I had been feeling paranoid, but that I had good days and bad days, she said they do a questionnaire but not until about six weeks because the first six weeks could just be hormonal / baby blues, so maybe you could say how you've been feeling and ask them to give you one of those questionnaires?

Chocolatepenny, I have one of those slings, a "freedom sling" but haven't worn it out yet, it says on the instructions that baby is meant to be a bit squashed, it's like he was in the womb, so I'll see how it goes on a trip out!

Eids / Lunar I'm allowing myself two cups of caffeinated a day atm, both in the morning, to perk me up, and then decaff tea all day after that. Ooh it's difficult!! Will see how I go with that and then try to cut down to one.

Spongecake pmsl at your "routine"!!! My routine involves sleeping at some point in the middle of the day when he does... so woe betide anyone who disrupts that! Basically it means no one can visit between ten and two, as at some point in that time he'll sleep!

Diva I hope the rumours are true, that would be wonderful news!

Everyone else, I have read msgs but the Kraken awakes!

I know today and yesterday that I am starting to snap out of it and feel better... for the first time last night, and this morning, I noticed the pets again. Dh pointed out that for the last two weeks I had not said a word to Ziggy and barely stroked any of them - I hadn't even realised! Whereas now I feel a bit like I'm "back", iyswim.

Might be able to pop back later!!

I'm torn between slings too
I have a baby bjorn but sometimes Finn likes to be held sideways cuddled in
Got a new native fabric ouch sling, am waiting for next size up to arrive but found yes they curl up and it looks wrong
Like the look of the tricotti and the kari me as well.
I did the PND questionnaire online and scored 15
I talked to dp who says I did the exact same after dd and got over it after a few weeks of talking things through and getting out of the house a bit more.
So we shall see

A quick one while the bath runs! DH now back so can shave legs and have 2 whole mins to myself .

Ettenna, welcome! Good to haver you on board. We are a chatty bunch and there is great support and wisdom on here.

Piffle - sounds like it is worth keep an eye on how you are feeling as it could be somethng beyond tiredness etc. A lot of what you said echoes how I felt when I was depressed - not PND but earlier in my life when things were bad. Why not see how you feel after the weekend and perhaps make an appt with the GP if you are still feeling this way. Big love to you now honey XXXXX

Hi again

Piffle - It must be hard to tell if you have pnd when you are so exhausted anyway. Is there any way DH can assist in helping tou get a bit more sleep - maybe take a couple of days annual leave so you can catch up during the day. My DH is taking every Weds off atm, so I never have more than 2 days in a row with kids - meaning I can catch up on sleep at least every 3rd day and it really helps.

[big hugs] hope it starts to get batter soon.

Eids: "So two feral beryls to contend with - lots of ignoring any instructions mum and dad give them, screeching and being very silly and rough with each other. DOing all the things they know they are not supposed to" - souds exactly like my two atm - they are both being absolutely awful TBH

Anyone have theBlonde's mobile number so I can text her re. the thrush?

gotta go - the little fella is yowling!

PS jay - I hope it gets better - will look for your thread

Congrats Ettenna - what a big healthy baby!!!

No exp of slings - well I have but only trad ones - use a baby bjorn, not the side ones. Good luck deciding though

Piffle- sorry you are feeling crap. My only expeience of what I think retrospectively was PND was after DS1 was born. I can only describe it as being inside a thick bubble ...not really being able to connect fully with the outside world and then feeling shit that I couldn't. It passed eventually - actually when I got out of the house a lot more. I remember at the time I would have a whole negative chain of thought going on and if inside, I started noticing EVERYTHING that needed doing, even ridiculous things like a small chip off paintwork etc, and then feeling bad that I hadn't done anything about it.

Although people think it helps you out visiting you at home, I prefer going to their house at this stage....they make the tea, my kids mess up their house , I eat their food and don't have to look at anything I haven't done ! ! Then I could go home and say ... well, this didn't get done as I was out today seeing a friend etc.

mossie what about finding a herbal tea you like - i like a cranberry, raspberry one - yum.

laidback i like going to other people's houses for all the reasons you outlined BUT also - you can leave when you want - you don't have to wait for someone to leave your place.

hi all.

welcome ettena

piffle-it wont hurt to talk to somebody.when you said you were feeling useless,thats one of the things i used to say when i had PND in the past.

i just had my 6 week check,according to the edinburgh test i have PND(i scored 14),but i told the nurse i'll get my HV to do it with me again a couple of weeks after i have this coil replaced.

im shattered today.Elsie slept ok,but ds2 decided to get up at 5.30am again.i was so tired i ended up screaming and shouting all morning,especially at ds2 who,by 8.30,had only managed to put his knickers on back to front and inside out.
he can dress himself,he just cant be bothered

I suspect thatI'll get nearly top marks on that test

A warm welcome Etenna, it seems though that many of us are really up against it at the mo. Join us for a group moan !!!

Dp is away this week so prob feeling the burden a little more than usual maybe.

Finn senses somethings up he has been really clingy today. Sweet but wearing :0
Consequently I've had one slice of toast all day and have finally got my 2nd cup of tea
I've lost my purse and £20 in it and had to cancel my cards and have very little in the way of food.
Raiding kids moneyboxes later to get some milk and salad bits.
Oh and I think a couple of cans of something alcoholic!

Sorry in my self obsessing I forgot to welcome Etenna Sorry and elcome to our club petal

Piffle, much sympathy - talk to someone sooner rather than later if you can. This may be useless advice but you can try it - if it's possible, try and get out of the house in the middle of the day - the light may help you a bit if it's not PND. Could a friend/relative come and take you out if you find it too much to get yourself out? Thanks for your support before too btw, and Rosy. Re your last msg Rosy, I'm what I would call a normally emotionaly person. That is, I have a good healthy ability to feel emotions when I need to but generally don't get overwhelmed by every little thing. I think Sunday was just a combination of a lot of things coming together. I think periodically I get a bit of reaction to Jordi's sudden arrival and hospital stay as it works its way through my consciousness.

Mossy, glad you are feeling a bit better. I completely ignored my cat for ages, partially because I had to to keep my hands clean for all the expressing etc I was doing and through paranoia at carrying disease into hosp, plus a lack of time. Then when the baby came home she wouldn't come near me when I had him, which was most of the time. I do get the odd stroke or two in now.

Everyone else - hello. I'm deciding between doing things while LO sleeps or going to sleep myself. He was the wide awake club yesterday evening and wanting food/attention/food, just as DP wanted to celebrate fininshing his latest book. So I finally had a glass of champagne and a half at about 10.30-11 and swiftly felt drunk - I'm such a lightweight now! Then he woke again at 12.30 but i fell back to sleep [bad mother emoticon] and woke again at 3.. I think he didn't really need anything the first wake up. then he wouldn't settle so had him lying on me to sleep for a while before I woke up and got worried about cot death! so laid him down next to me, he squirmed, promptly stopped worrying bout cot death and put him back on my chest! He slept on and off and kept waking me so I feel knackered now after eating lunch. It's a nice day out though and I always think I feel better if I get out - what to do.

Hey, this'll make you all feel like really competent mum's... I realised this morning that I haven't washed any of my stinky kids since.... SATURDAY . That includes both babies . baths all round tonight