***************December 2006 ****************

[lucy5]

I can't access the thread with my rubbish Spanish internet connection. Could someone start a new thread and link it on the old one too. Thankyou. Hope alls well!

Hi All,

Just a quick post. DS having problems breathing again although it seems to be greed related we had a couple more incidents at home where he could'nt breathe - thankfully resolved without too much worry.

GP now thinks I should wean as DS drank over 2 pints yesterday as well as a the breathing problems, HV advises to keep giving formula.

I just want to make sure he stops having the episodes. Anyway a bit stressfull so not been on much.

Also the cold he had in hospital probably is an infection as it's still on his chest so we finally have antibiotics to try and clear it. Will catch up later hope you are all well - big hugs.

LFM
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Calm, I can't believe Amberli has teeth! Dear god, I can remember when DD1's teeth came in - my nipples are wincing at the memory Hope she isn't finding teething too traumatic - that might explain the 'diet'!

Computer issues over the w'end, I come back and it's (largely) bad news all the way. Oh, dear

LFM, more worry for poor you, your ds & mine were born same week I think (he's 3 months tomorrow). Hard to know what to do about the weaning, 12 weeks is v.early, why would it help the breathing I didn't quite understand that?But so many people swear by early weaning when their babies seem super-hungry!

Jabber, going back on zoloft seems like you're catching things before they get worse & I hope it helps you cope with ds1 better, know exactly what you mean about smoothing things out, it's kinda like you're 1 step removed from the situation.

Castles, I'm sorry to hear you're feeling rough, crying every day a sure sign isn't it? I think there are quite a lot of differences between the ad's available, I found prozac awful for instance. They each have noted side effects, perhaps have a look in the depression forums on mn as people discuss this a lot. Not sure how many are ok if you're still bfeeding or are you giving that up? I just found the best thing about ad's was enjoying life again, looking forward to things. Funny thing, I started having major dizzy spells again on Friday, usually after I'd started feeding ds2. DP & I think it's coz I'm not having enough fluids so he's been getting me drinks every 5 mins all weekend! Which does seem to have helped, but just had another one giving the last feed of the night.

I'm surprised to hear others still feeding for 50 mins/1 hour, thought it was just me and due to using shields! I can make him last 3 hours but it's usually more like 2 & my god it's a pita sometimes. I feed him, wind him, chat to him, he has a little nap and then the dratted tongue comes out again!

Milkshake - hope you little boy is better soon. You deserve a bit of peace and tranquility in your house

Milkshake, hope he grows out of it REALLY soon! xxx

so much to catch up on!

LFM, I would really push for reflux meds other than Gaviscon (forgive me if I remembered wrong - happens all the time atm - but he's not on Ranitidine/Domperidone, is he?). The reflux makes breathing problems worse with Laryngomalacia babies, as the valve gets inflamed, the oesophagus too, and milk 'backs up'. Or something like that . Weaning early can help with reflux - dd1 only ever stopped having pain once she was on solids - as food doesn't reflux as much as liquid. But meds are the more modern solution, I think - both worth considering, poor little chap! I'm glad he's on ABs though, if they work they should help fast - and I know Mischa has much more noisy breathing/chokiness when she has a cold. Hugs, hope he's better soon.

I'm sorry to hear you're feeling rough, Castles...good for you for flagging it up straight away. I honestly think the 3-6 month phase is harder than the 0-3 months one, in terms of emotions - cumulative exhaustion, adrenalin worn off, no oestrogen (if breast feeding) etc. Hugs to you too, and FWIW dh was on ADs a few years ago (SAD plus depression a couple of years after his brother died) and had no problem coming off them at all. You do need to find the right ones for you, though - it took him 2 or 3 'goes' but then they really helped.

DH calling - must go see to whatever ills are afoot, but will WILL find time to finish catching up later!

ps Calm, sounds great - sadly, dd1 not at nursery on Thursday mornings

Gosh, sorry - was rushing to read and post whilst expressing, just read back and sound sort of bossy

What I was really feeling was a) frustrated at GPs who didn't sort out my own baby's breathing/reflux very fast, and therefore wondering if they were doing same with LFM's, and b) empathy with all those feeling low. I'm not crying much, but constant backache and tiredness are getting to me...oh, and that lack of space thing: I remember that with dd1, feeling every time dh goes to work!

Am so ready for dd2 to stop the 3 hourly night feeds - she started doing the longer hours after the three month spurt, but has a cold again and is very windy with it.

Can definitely sense spring round the corner though, which helps...

LFM so sorry to hear about your DS I hope he is gettingbetter but it must be so frustrating to get conflicting advice from the health professionals.
Im sorry to hear about some of you feeling low, my emotions are usually all over the place. I was in psychotherapy for a couple of years I would definately recommend it to anyone and I think it has really helped with both pregnancies despite going into therapy for bereavement and family issues.
DD2 is unwell she is very snuffly and has a hoarse throat and is constipated but I think that is a reaction to her first injections. She is settling thank goodness She is 10 weeks tomorrow and tomorrow night I am rejoining my yoga class, cant wait will have to do lots of expressing as DD2" likes to be attached all night.......

Thanks for the advice about ADs. I think like you Jabber, I'm just stressed not depressed. Things (non baby) are getting on top of me and at the w/e's when DH is here I relax and get upset IYKWIM. There's an interesting thread on the "depression" board if anyone's interested depression re stress. I definitely look forward, glass half full kind of girl but the stress can sometimes get me down like I said. Hey ho. I find going to my homeopath great as he talks to me - or I talk at him - for an hour. I'm not sure the pills work but the "therapy" is great!!

Thought I might 'pop in' from the January thread where I have been posting so far. My DS2 was born on the 22nd Dec, although he wasn't supposed to make an appearance until mid January !

10 weeks down the line (my goodness where does the time go ?) all is going well.

Hello all... haven't been posting much as the sickness saga continues... it is neverending in my house these days!

Kirstens cold got a whole lot worse last weekend, and had a couple of episodes of really bad breathing... one of them in the middle of the night... so ended up back in hospital for a few days to try to get a handle on it.

Home again in time for both DD1 & DS to get a tummy bug and throw up all day (Thursday), finishing with me so sick on the weekend that I ended up in hospital...

I am still bf'ing too, and actually doing very well at it now. Not sore anymore overall. Kirsten has become a master at finding the boob, and playing with it with her tongue so every now and again I get a nasty surprise. Sorry to hear that so many of you are having such trouble! I really struggled with DS (#2 child), fighting infections, sore nipples, etc. the entire time I bf'd him. Only reason I stayed with it as long as I did (9 months) was because he was allergic to milk and soy products... I was afraid to feed him anything else!!

I'm pooped out today!! And spouting off a lot too! Can you tell that everyone is asleep or at the babysitters? It's the only time I ever get to post unless it's the middle of the night!!!

So all of you mums who are still struggling to keep bf'ing I know where you've been and am SO sympathetic!!

Welcome kat, my ds2 was early as well. (November instead of mid-December) He's coming along nicely with his weight but occasionally someone will still comment that he looks a little small

Sorry to hear about all the poorly little ones. It's so scary when they are ill. Sending best wishes for a speedy recovery for all.

LFM, do you think the 2 pints is related to a growth spurt at all? I know it's hard to decide what to do in a case like that. I'd be tempted to hold off on solids for just a bit longer though.

castles, can't remember if I mentioned this before but Zoloft is one of the AD's that is OK for bfing. I was on it for several months while bfing ds1 and it was fine.

We moved ds2 into his c0-sleeper crib last night and he did beautifully. Still woke every 3 hours but at least not more than that and settled in easily. I'd been putting him in it for naps in the living room to try to get him adjusted to it. HEre's hoping it wasn't just a one-off

wow. long post. a bit too much to catch up on but 'welcome to kat', and hope all tiddlers are better soon.

my dd1 is getting over rubella (and yes, she did have the mmr). which means i have anexcuse to get hv to come to me and get dd2 weighed. wouldnt want to attend surgery and infect people. havent weighed her since 3 weeks so will be intersting

LFM, Sorry you and ds having such a bad time with the reflux/breathing.
dd2 had awful reflux and medication wasn't widely used back then so she was weaned at 11/12 weeks Very early but it worked and the reflux pretty much dissapeared!! But now medication is more widely used I would say try the ranatidine if you havent already? Ds1 is doing so much better now he is on it and his breathing is better too

Wow, NM, sorry to hear all that sickness...scary, tiring, and generally not nice. Hope you are all feeling a lot better now?

Welcome Kat!

Satin, hope your dd1 is better soon too...didn't know they could catch rubella after vaccination. I suppose none of them are 100%. As for weighing, have to admit I have only been to babyclinic twice since dd was born no idea what she weighs. A lot??

Satin I do hope she's ok. And NM too and everyone else having lots of sickness.

If you look at my vaccination card I had separates as a kid (just before MMR came in). I must be immune to vaccinations though as I have had all 3, in fact I've had measles twice! The one 'childhood' illness I've escaped is chicken pox so dreading ds getting it!

I feel the need to be happy. Ds has been a delight today. Total and utter delight, he's learned to play with a rattle and has been enjoying waving that around, he playd happily under a baby gym at bumps and babies then slept while some of us had pub lunch after and continued to be a delight back home just cooing and waving the rattle next to me. All topped off by a nice bath together and he is now fast asleep (and has been for an hour). Bless.

Anyway the result of all that is that today is the first day where I've not felt that I've been constantly holding a baby or rocking a grizzle monster and I know that happy times have far outweighed grumpy times. Normally I look back on the day and all I can remember are the grumpy bits or the frustrating bits but today has been wonderful.

Now going to round off my day with another of them there g&ts and 'you are what you eat'. Because trash tv is ace.

Indith, thank you for that post It really made me feel happy! And it reminded me that my DDs are delightful as well. Shameful, really, that I get wound up and forget that

DD2 had more thyroid tests today. Her levels are still high, so back for more tests in a fortnight ... ho hum!

Jabber

What does your co-sleeper crib look like? (if you don't mind me asking)

And Hello Kat!!

Yes apparently they can get rubella even after the MMR jab, just to a lesser extent. Its been awful as i have 2 pregnant friends and one is only 10 weeks - had her booking in the other day to find out if she is immune and gets the results tomorrow.

DD2 is so sweet now. I get lots of smiles and she has become more preditable during the day (ie never awake more than 2 hours before a catnap) so i'm enjoying her much more. Sleep at night helps too.

seems like an awful lot of tiddlers with reflux. is it becoming more common ? a friend's dd had it and she struggled for ages. weaning really helped though.

Hello

I haven't really kept up with you guys, sorry for that, but now I need some help so I hope you'll forgive me. I am feeling really crap - I can't stop crying, can't sleep, feel guilty for feeling unhappy. I love my little one, he's gorgeous, and I love my husband and feel like I've got everything I always wanted, but I am feeling awful. I am crying as I write this. DS is 9 weeks old now, should this have passed by now? Does it sound like proper PND or am I just exhausted?

DS wakes all the time during the night, mainly to put his flipping dummy back in (I wish I'd never caved in and given him one), or to fart. 2 weeks ago he started rejecting my breast (or so it felt) and I've been expressing ever since. We're now giving him one formula bottle then one expressed bottle. I hate expressing, my breasts are sore all the time, I think I'm producing more milk than ever and I leak all the time. Trying to find time to express is hard, and washing up the pump and sterilising it all the time is making me feel like I'm in my own Groundhog Day.

Now I feel guilty for moaning so much

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Hi Devongirl, bless you sweetheart, this is your 1st isn't it? I found having my 1st totally overwhelming and noone can possibly describe the tiredness you feel. You are not alone. I'm so pleased you have come on here 'cos quite a few of us are feeling crap (me included and I'm on my 3rd!) at the moment and it helps to talk about it. I do think if you still feel awful after 9 weeks then you should speak to your GP/HV. Don't feel ashamed or guilty, that's what GPs are there for. Sometimes it helps just talking but sometimes you need a bit more than that. Being exhausted doesn't help but your GP will be able to help you more.

Re bf'ing. With my 2nd (DD1) I gave up after 4 weeks as she had really bad reflux and threw up every feed and spent the rest of the time screaming. She is the healthiest, happiest 3 year old and certainly hasn't suffered for it. This time, DD2 is 14 weeks and I'm still struggling on but I give her a couple of bottles of formula a day as I can't be arsed to express . What I'm trying to say is that your LO has benefitted enormously already from your milk so don't beat yourself up if you want to stop or give some more formula. Personally, I felt happier once I had stopped with DD1. IMO bf'ing can sometimes make you feel quite crap emotionally.

DG, are taking all the right supplements? I feel better this time round as I am taking Vit B complex & magnesium. People with depression are usually deficient in magnesium. I also regularly dose myself up with Spatone (it's an iron supplement available from Holland & Barrett). I also regularly pop homeopathic remedies - Pulsatilla for weepiness and Sepia for feelings of angy despair. I do rattle a lot

Come on here and chat or you can always CAT me if you wish. I've been there, done that, bought the effing depression t-shirt so I know what it's like and I'm a good listener too! ((((hugs to you))))