***************December 2006 ****************

[lucy5]

I can't access the thread with my rubbish Spanish internet connection. Could someone start a new thread and link it on the old one too. Thankyou. Hope alls well!

Sorry the bfing counsellor wasn't more helpful AQ. It took 8 weeks to get it down for me on my "bad" side and it's still a little ouchy when he latches on even at 11 weeks. I'm not sure if that info will make you feel good or bad but thought I would share.

Ds2 a little hard to settle tonight. It's 10:30 and I think* he may be down.

ROFL at the spit-up stories Ds1 was just the same! The gods have taken pity on me this time around tho. Ds2 is pretty good at keeping his milk down thus far.

Well, Sat. night was, as expected, not nearly as good as Fri. night. Kirsten up at 11 & 3 am, then 8:00 for the day. She's been raspy and fussy all afternoon too... hope we're not in for a long night, as DH has also taken ill. Just what I need, a LO who vomms (nicely put!) all over me in the day, and a hubby who vomms all over all night. I gave him the bucket treatment... a bucket beside his bed so he doesn't chuck on my carpet!!!!

AQ - so very sorry to hear that the bf'ing is so painful. You've been a trooper to continue this long. I had a public health nurse (PHN) in and she taught me a latch position that really helped me. She told me to tease babe with the nipple to get the widest stretch when she opened up, then to latch her on by putting her bottom lip on first and making sure that her lip was covering the areola. Then we pushed her head up to allow the upper lip to attach. It worked because Kirstens bottom lip wouldn't flange outward the way its supposed to, and it was hard to see that. It's not a very good description, and much easier to demonstrate than discuss that's for sure. I really found that being able to better control that bottom lip, I could get a better latch. Good luck

WB, sorry to hear about reflux/colic. You can buy Infacol yourself - just get it at a different chemist if they are being difficult. That and ranitidine are pretty inert. DD2 is on it & gaviscon. Take Sepia if you are feeling stressed/angry. Pulsatilla is better for weepy days. Know what you mean about smoking - I have been having fantasies about minty fags. I never even was a smoker before!!!!

AQ, (((hugs)))) don't struggle on if you feel terrible. Remember, a happy mummy = a happy baby. You sound so like me. FWIW, my friend struggled with BF her DS as he has terrible eczema & it hasn't made any difference. As I've said before I nearly pass out evertime I feed my DD2, so I'm really cutting back on it & giving her more & more formula. She's 11 weeks on Thursday & is thriving. They've had lots of good stuff by now. It's better than a mummy in hospital ...

Morning all.

AQ - what woeked for me with DD1 was to sit on the sofa with a pillow on my knee (quite a think one). Lie the baby on the pillow so level with nips. I would have to guide baby on to my nips and push the mouth onto me (she would just fuss otherwise). It also helps to have your feet flat on the ground (kind of helps balance your body) and your back upright. I didnt do any chin/cheek tickling, nose rubbing etc. ope that helps. Main thing is though if you get really stressed the baby will pick up on it and it will be harder (sorry if obvious).

We're not having a great time. DD1 and DD2 bot have cough/colds. IUt breaks my heart to see a 9 week old with a snotty nose and cough. Any ideas to help? I've been puttin karvol on a tissue in the room and giving a bit of calpol.

and why is it just this thread that my keyboard keeps missing out letters and making me look like i cant spell?

castles, I had a patient Friday who said she had been passing out/fainting a lot last year and was diagbosed w/ something that was similar to narcolepsy. She couldn't tell me the exact diagnosis, but it reminded me of you. She was able to control it w/ meds.

Thanks Jabber, will google that and see what it says. Sound's a bit nasty doesn't it?!?

AQ, sorry the bit about my friend sounds really negative. What I should have said (but was in a rush for school) is she struggled to bf her DS for 18 months because of his eczema and it didn't really improve in that time. Even if you stop tomorrow, what you've managed so far will do him lots of good. You (& me) have to weigh up the benefits for our LOs and ourselves. I keep thinking to myself "if I can just last til Thursday (her weekly birthday)" and then I get to that landmark and carry on a bit more. Have you seen the bf thread started by LTH where tiktok gives a wonderful analogy of bf'ng?. If you have time, take a look but just a warning, it did bring a tear to my eye. Will try and link later.

I never knew what a screaming baby was until last night. Ok so Wiliiam spits up lots but it dosn't seem to bother him, every couple of days you get one which is preceeded by a sharp cry but that is it. Not too much trouble with wind either really but does get hiccups loads. Anyway, last night he was fussing and crying then did a huge poo so I figured that had been bothering him, he calmed down and was all sleepy so I put him down about 7. 30 mins later he wakes up and screams until 3.30am. Only sucking stopped him but feeding seemed to make it worse, he wouldn't burp, fart or poo just kept screaming in that really high pitched way that means something is wrong. At 3.30 I got him to latch on lying down and he eventually went to sleep.

He seems to have a sore bum this morning and has already had 3 short feeds since around 8, quite fussy after them but nothing like yestrday.

AQ don't let bf guilt get to you, do whatever it takes to have the most relaxed and happy mummy and baby possible.

Hi folks- just caught up oin the posts since friday- PHEW! Just to say to those worrying about weight- personally I think the wholse things about BF and losing it is a load of rubbish. I found with DS1 that I only lost the last bit of weight once I stopped BF and I think your body hangs onto the weight whilst you are stil BF as you need it. Thats my theory anyway and it seems to be happening again this time round. Re sleeping at night, DS2 hits the sack at aroun 7.30/8pm and is pterry good at night now. but this is cos I'm evil mama and he has his naps during the morning and early afternoon and then from about 2pm onwards I don't let him have more than about half an hour max, give him a massive feed, bath and bed and he;s just knackered by then!!

lol Judemum, fellow evil mama here

I lost weight to begin with and now I've put it back on. Not sure what's going on there? Maybe due to the amount of food I'm eating & lack of exercise?!?! I bought some of those magic M&S pants which give me a lovely flat tummy but also push the rolls upwards so now I have a spare tyre under my boobs .

Hi guys,

Castles, ds1 has got reflux but we only have gaviscon for it. Not sure whether to push for ranitidine as he is better since the gaviscon but not brilliant

I am waiting for an appt for cranial osteopathy for him too.

We are still struggling with the right boob and its still a bit sore a 10/11 weeks on but kind of getting there.

He is sleeping on dh now, it's sooooo peaceful

I know now Ive said it he will wake up

funnily enough, one of the reasons I have kept on with bf is coz I've lost loads of weight with it! How shallow am I?
thanks, all, again, I so love this group, you've kept me going for months now, wish I could get to London. I did see a bfc on Saturday morning, so I don't really have any other option than to keep on persevering, despite a feed this morning that had me hyperventilating (I think it was a panic attack). Gone back to shields just to give myself some space to continue. I'm going to see about a bf pillow too, that sounds great. I was using a v pillow but it got too heavy & my legs were cramping. I'll try the different latch ideas too, might have to print it all out! The only thing that's been helping today is the tip from the bfc to put a rolled up flannel underneath my boob to lift it a bit - quite effective when you're a H cup
Castles, can't believe you're dizzy with every feed & they haven't figured it out - if I'd had that to contend with, I would have given up weeks ago. Yet you do seem v.happy & no sign of the PND which is fabulous! I'm v.pleased mine is not reappearing, I'm trying v.hard to be positive, helps that ds2 sleeps so well at night 6-7 hour stretches (sorry Magnolia )

aq - i'm a bit 'big' and often have to hold my boob to keep it in the right place during feeding.

accessorize - I have been raving about the rolled up cloth under the boob thing too.

Good to see there is another big boobed person on this thread

People think we have no trouble feeding our babies - as one of my friends said "let's face it, your baby will never go hungry"

I've been told that big boobed women have a much harder time of it, there's more to deal with quite frankly!
Weirdbird, have just ordered a doomoo softy cushion it looks fantastic, I think it will be really helpful. Thanks for the tip.
ds2 is being quite an angel today thank goodness, he's so delicious (if you don't look at the cradle cap!)

just to say my friend who has big boobs told me that when her DS wakes in the night, she doesn;'t even have to lift him out of the cot- she just leans over and dangles her boob in his mouth and he feeds until he falls asleep! I am pretty small breasted so would have to do some sort of gymnastics to accomplish this.....

can't remember who lives near York (AQ??) but am going to the Thomas the Tank engine thingy at the NRM this week sometime.........DS1 will LOVE it.

Yup, I'm in hull jude. And yes, I think he will love it! In fact the NRM is fab for any boy! Have a good time.
Must consider dangling, but not sure the cot is that high up!

Did I know you were in Hull AQ? Can't remember if that conversation has happened before! I may wll b off back there next week as my parents want to kidnap me. They say it is to let dp study in peace for a bit and allow me to do my essay but I think really mum just wants to spoil ds! Anyway I shall be back where I grew up in Cottingham for a bit! At least it won't have rats......we have rats.......

Judemum - does your friend have boobs down to her knees? wow, thats something i should try!

mind you, not that my boobs reach my knees although they're almost level with my belly button!

Elibean- brill!

March sounds great! tell me about it...bugs everywhere!

Weirdbird! How are you doing? youre not on MSN much at the moment!

I cant believe Ambi is going to be 3 months next week! She is 8lbs and has fuinally graduated to NEWBORN clothes!

Indith, I really wish that my mum would kidnap me for a week. I suppose the west coast of Canada is just a bit far, though, no matter how much they might want me there

To be fair, I rarely want to be kidnapped by my folks , but I'm just having one of those days! DD1 won't stop chattering, I'm exhausted, I'm convinced that DD2 is getting yellower (although she probably isn't!), everything seems to take an age to do I just want someone to come in and take control. I'm not grown up enough for all of this!

I'm sure you understand exactly what I mean That is without doubt the very best thing about this thread. I have a group of friends who know exactly how I feel, and are supportive no matter how ratty, grumpy or paranoid I become.

Thank you all

Ack, kidnapped by my Mum? Help! What a thought...

Would love to be kidnapped by my ex-doula lady though, who did a great job of mothering us all through a major wobbly patch. BP, thats exactly how I felt at that point - not grown up enough (and I'm the oldest one on this thread!) and overwhelmed. Now, just a few weeks further on, I can see that feeling not enough and overwhelmed is totally normal and unavoidable whilst growing a notch bigger and more grown up, and learning to cope with more etc. Like going up a class or something, if that makes sense.

And yes, this group is and has been fantastic...honest and non-judgemental: the best.

not that I feel all that grown up now, in fact. That sounded rather 'I used to feel like that' ish, and wasn't meant to. Just a little less out of control, maybe...and M being in better health, and bigger, has a lot to do with that.

Though I have spent today watching her like a hawk...so far, a bunged up nose and slightly pale, and extra colicky, but her breathing is ok. And dd1 went to bed without coughing a lot tonight. Dare I hope?!

Would need two foot long boobs to dangle over cot, but otherwise what a great idea...

How does the rolled up cloth trick work?