Mugabe Nights: sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your (sleep deprived) pain!

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New thread ladies!
Buenos are still free, the bar tab is still open and you can leave your healthy living resolutions at the door!

Huge, big group hugs at mugabes tonight.

I feel slightly more human tonight as Ds managed to sleep upstairs on his own for 2 hours 🙂 I got to watch some tv and have a bit of a whinge to dh about my shitty day. Lucky dh!
Ds had some porridge and strawberry and banana purée tonight. He seemed to really enjoy the fruit.

Big squeeze and virtual wine and chocs to you lily. I'm so sorry for your loss. You and your family will be in my thoughts.
I hope you manage some sleep tonight between your sad news and Ds' rash. I'm glad he seems OK in himself.

I know it's easy to say kbro, but try not to let the hv get to you. There is so much conflicting advice out there. The best thing you can do IMO is have a think about what will work for you as a family, do some research about how and when to go about it and get cracking. I've read so much stuff about weaning in the past few weeks (something to do during the numerous night feeds). There is 'evidence' for and against everything if you look for it. Humans have been feeding babies one way or another for ever and we've done pretty well as a species. Whatever you decide to do will be fine.

I'm very lucky to have such a lovely bunch of hv's at our clinic.

tindel, Ds wasn't interested in food at all until a few days ago. Now he can't take his eyes off us eating. They all get there in their own time.
I hope you got your drink!

Thanks slow. I am in major need of grown up time. We did contemplate the pub when they said the pool was shut, but we were both make up free and I may have been wearing black pj bottoms, ugg boots and no bra!
Fish pie sounds yummy. I am ridiculously excited to have another meat eater in the house.

Sorry you had a grumpy baby as well today fanby. Must be the moon or something!

Good night mugabeans- in the nicest possible way? I hope not to speak to any of you tonight 🙂

X-posts mzzf
You need that 🌲🌳 for the cold Scottish winter! I will go totally tmi and make you all laugh by sharing that it's not only the hair on my head falling out post partum 🍑 🙊

So sorry to hear that, lily. That's very sad. Thinking on you.

I've got some hellish breast infection thing. Utterly excruciating. Was up all night even though the wee one slept in her cot and was only up once before 4. So much pain. Saw the doctor today thankfully. Hope I'll be better by the weekend. Seems to be improving. Feeling totally shite and exhausted.

With weaning I did a mix of finger food and purée last time. Probably won't really bother with purée this time. Too much hassle. There's a limit to the number of meals I can arsed making in one evening. She'll just get bits off our plates for a while yet. Not that we'll start for ages. I can't be thinking about yet another thing just now. Dd1 was rubbish at food and still doesn't really eat. I'm hoping that as dd2 has done the exact opposite of her sister so far that food won't be a nightmare this time.

I don't know if when HVs go to HV school they just attend some sort of mass hypnosis that makes them wipe out all their own parenting experience or any common sense they might have had. Obviously it's totally normal for babies to wake through the night! They're babies! I know about two who slept through before six months and even after that most babies aren't consistent sleepers for ages. To suggest there's something wrong with the baby or the parenting is just such bollocks. I was speaking to my mother recently and we were comparing the "advice". So much less pressure on mums in generations gone by because HVs kept their nebs out and there was no Facebook to make you jealous or Dr Google to give you the fear. I'm going to write a parenting book called "Stop worrying! You're doing it right!"

I've got some childcare sorted so I can go to Pilates class on Fridays. Hurrah! I'm so excited.

Also volunteered to be a model for a photographer who wants to do a breastfeeding photo shoot. Eeek! Hopefully she can angle the camera so my vast jelly belly can't be seen. Probably have to use the girls as a screen! I really hope they turn out ok.

lily its so sad. And you're right, its not fair at all.

DD has started waking DS2 during the day. She wants to play with him and can't understand why he wants to sleep (she doesn't nap) so I end up with him crying because he's tired and her crying because she didn't mean to make the baby cry and she doesn't like it! Argh!

Argh I've seen every bloody hour so far. If not DD its my stupid snoring DH!!!! Arrrrrghhhh!!

I'd settle for a 2hr block right now...

Hoping everyone else is asleep and getting decent blocks of sleep. Still a bit frustrated about having evenings pinned under a sleeping baby, but it is less hassle than trying to settle him upstairs and failing. Am out tonight, so will find out how DH gets on with a bottle - his latest theory is that because J has to work at bfing, he gets tired and falls asleep before he's full which is why he wakes up when we put him down.

Morning all,

lily how are you feeling this morning? Hope DS is on form to make you smile today. Make sure you take care of yourself lovely. As for the avocado, sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like you shouldn't have given it, just that I had heard that it sometimes causes a reaction so it's not impossible that it's the cause of the rash.

So tired, had grumpy 1 up and down all night with various aches and pains and grumpy 2 was mega unsettled. Oh well, it's a new day 😴

We've had snow in the night 🌨 not enough for a ☃ just enough that it's going to make the school run hellish

lily sending virtual hugs - such sad news I do love your pics - envious of babies sitting up so well - babyloves still a bit wobbly.

siani big wow to 2 teeth😁

clstow poor you not getting your swim - hopefully you can rearrange. I gave up my career once I had baby number 2 and just had lots more babies instead as the cost of childcare and commuting not to mention the stress just wasn't worth it. I had my family late though so achieved a lot career wise - not too many regrets but sometimes do look back wishfully on my high powered career woman days and wonder what on earth happened to me??

tindel no interest shown by babyloves in food either.

joskar so sorry to hear you are poorly again but mega impressed that we have a supermodel in our midst!! - remember to post pics!!💄💋

mzzzf Manhattan - that just sounds sooooo cool and amazing🇺🇸

kbro why are some HV so awful? I refuse to see one that works at my GP practice - fortunately the other one is nice. It's hard when you are a first time mum and unsure what you are doing - their ridiculous 'advice' does not help. It's only after having more children that I feel confident enough to do what I think and to challenge the HV but I would never have done this with my first. I have fed all 6DC throughout the night to no ill effects. They eventually stop needing it once they fill up on food more and once they stop needing extra comfort during the night. 5DC siept through the night from about 12 months - I have no reason to doubt babyloves will not be the same. Also, I believe the baby shows you when they are ready for food - you can't force feed them - I have fed at 4 months and I have started feeding at 7 months - again, all DC perfectly normal - they are all good eaters and healthy weights. It's your baby - you know best x

Off to look out welly boots for school run...........

Oh Lordy that was a hard one! Kept reminding myself this doesn't last and the like. But we got through it so hey ho!

Ooooh to the modelling Joskar. You brave little sausage! I'm sure they'll look wonderful. Will you be able to keep any of the prints or is it all for art?!
Argh fatty and slow and I reckon that's so much harder when you're juggling two monkeys overnight. Hoping today is easy for both of you!
Loves you are be awesome voice of reason and experience. It so nice to have your insights!!

I'm off to pick up my Footmuff from waitrose later - I think we all know what's going to happen in the bakery aisle!!

The only 2 hour stretch we saw last night was an awake one 😴

Off to the bank now to do boring adult stuff. Back later no doubt!

Thanks again ladies for all your posts you lot are so lovely hug-abes is the best!

Mzzf and frolic you had me chuckling at the bush situation- frolic at least it saves you from needing to shave!

DS must have known I needed some sleep after yesterday he went down at 1915 woke crying at 2000 because his nose was blocked but I got him back settled by twenty past and he then slept till 0230 despite DH setting the house alarm off at 2230 had a little feed then went back down at 0315 till 0730 I cannot believe it!! Finally! He's currently asleep on my bed having fallen asleep whilst I was getting ready I'm loving his new found friend sleep! Thankfully the rash has totally gone this morning- slow sorry I probably misunderstood I panicked that it was on the forbidden foods list and I somehow hadn't noticed!

Joksar hope the boobs start improving soon for you.

Must dash going to get a wash load on before he wakes- I don't have a single dribble bib clean at the mo and we need to go out later oops!

So I realised yesterday that DS is I think chronically overtired all the time hence the bad moods and mania. I wasn't giving him the right conditions for sleep. My friend recommended this book called healthy sleep habits so am trying a routine today. He only seems to have a one hour awake time though?? Maybe napping longer would help? We got almost an hour in the bag earlier so.

Sorry to hear your not well joskar but impressed on the modelling! Coffee to all those with bad nights. I realised that I'm mucking up DS 's day sleeps by sleeping in and letting him play as then he's overtired when I get up so today have been up with him since 6 :/

Magrat that's an early morning hope you've plenty coffee on the go too!

DS is still asleep I don't quite know what to do with myself I've made us both porridge that is sat on the side going abit manky but I daren't wake him up after I've wanted him to do offer naps for so long! Enjoying a spot of poogling instead 😜

Thanks for all the reassurance about the HV. Think it's just hard not to let things get to you. Esp around sleep. Felt like I was getting told off in front of everyone cause baby won't sleep. Loves there is one nice HV so going to insist on only seeing her now.

On the other hand feeling quite excited about weaning now. Going to download a book to read and get a high chair and cups/spoons etc. this weekend. Also not going to stress about having to have it done by 6 months exactly. DS doesn't seem hugely interested in food either Tindel and Loves. I let him hold my breakfast this morning (just toast) but he showed no desire to put in his mouth. He's a big boy with a big appetite so am sure once he's ready he'll love eating food. Think we'll have a go at letting him play with it next week.

Siani thank you for the offer to ask hv's and Fanby thank you for advice re gluten. Think will introduce early as finger food and see what happens.

Siani that link is really interesting. Also had a browse of her site and she seems to think evidence does not support breast milk rotting teeth as HV said.

Mzzzf we had a long one too last night. It's awful thing to admit but at one point I felt so frustrated with him I had to go and take 5 in the kitchen to calm down. Just felt so angry at being up again. Poor DS. Not his fault.

DS has fallen asleep on me and I can't find the remote. Magrat I am sure all DS problems stem from over tiredness. What does the routine involve? I've tried the 90 minute gap between naps and not letting him sleep past 8am but it's not exactly helped.........

And as we shaving down stairs. Mines not been done since the c section. Lucky DH.....

Oh and joskar is the photo shoot thing for the What Breast feeding looks like' project?

Argh! We need on fb. Someone just posted a pic of their DC stood up against a chair. The chair has 4 legs and the seat would be too high for a baby to reach from the floor. "Isnt he soooo clever pulling himself up to stand at just 6 months!"

No. No he's not. You fucking put him there. It was literally a week ago you were complaining he couldn't sit or roll. Your words were "I've got a broken baby. He doesn't sit, he doesn't roll, never mind crawl" so fuck off love.
Really hate it. Why lie? What's the point. Your baby isnt broken. He's just not ready to do that stuff yet. He will get there in his own time.

Total time today spent napping 1hr 10 minutes.

Total time spent being an absolute arse 9 hours.

Total time spent silently screaming to myself ALL DAY

We had 3rd jabs today and J has spent most of this afternoon feeding or whinging when I take him off. Doesn't bode well for me going out tonight if I can't unlatch him.

Fatty is that on the FB group, or just a random mate of yours?!

Kbro - we have identikit babies today then! Been up since 6am, had 3 tiny naps and lots of screaming, dribbling and clinging on for dear life. Hurry up home DH! Not that she'll go to him but it's nicer having company!

Tinder - I found 3rd jabs horrendous but calpol was our friend. Enjoy tonight!!! He's going to whinge if you're there or not anyway!

Just a random lol. She's DPs best friends gf.

What you do is put them for a nap between one to two hours after they've been awake in the day. Ideally between 8 and 10 then 12 and 2 then a little nap 3 to 5. DS's waking time was only 45 mins which made me realise he's still suffering with a cold and generally not himself so I took him to docs.they do think he has a virus or cold and maybe teeth but I do think the extra sleep helped him. Apparently if you go beyond the ideal wake time they get a second wind which makes them carry on but then get a bit manic and eventually crash out. It's not very baby led to have the routine but DS really seems to need his sleep even though he'd obvs rather be playing all the time. Overtiredness was driving me crazy. Try putting him for a nap one to two hours after he wakes up. Wqtch for sleep signs like gazing into the distance and becoming quieter. This is the ideal time to wind down then fall asleep. Apparently by the time eye rubbing happens they're already overtired. I'm not going to be a slave to it but I think if your baby needs sleep then it's worth a try. DS was getting maybe two half hour naps a day and apparently should be getting three to four hours!! No wonder he was tired!

Ffs re fb. They're not toys people!

Have just had a hot meal and a hot bath after my gp jaunt. Bliss!

Hey Hugabeans.

Thanks for all the lovely words and for all generally being awesome.

I've had a better day today with less complaining from DS. We went with a friend and her baby to Ikea and bought some bits for weaning, just need to actually start thinking about what food we're going to give him.

Can't go back a page so sorry to anyone I miss out but here's some shout outs...

So so sorry for your loss Lily. Glad DS gave you a good sleep - must admit I'm also partial to some poogling

Love - snow?! I thought we had it bad as I've had to dig out DS's pram suit! Hope the school run wasn't too miserable for you.

MzzF - What did you go for from the bakery?! Are you pleased with the muff? (The starry one, not the overgrown one )

Sorry to hear about the tough days Kbro and Tindel. I found 3rd jabs awful Tindel, definitely agree that calpol is your friend. And Kbro, I'm just sending you loads of sympathy, weekend is round the corner when hopefully you can get some downtime.

Sorry to hear about the infection Joskar, feel like you've had a hard time of it lately boobs-wise, great news about the photo shoot though - very cool of you.

Fatty that FB thing sounds ridic. People can be so weird about their kids on social media.

Magrat DS works on a 90-120 min from waking cycle. I find it easier to do a bit of clock watching than put up with an overtired baby. Nothing wrong with a bit of routine if it makes life easier.

Huge Buenos to anyone I've left out. See you for more hugs at the bar later x

Can i just ask why do you guys have Mugabe in your titles?!

It's just an in-joke from a typo eminado. We're just a boring old post natal thread for those with babies born in August 2015.

I hope you're all ok tonight?
A better day here - lots of fresh air always cheers me up. I hope it's done Ds some good and sleep will be our friend tonight.

Shitty on the boob thing jockstar. You've had it tough recently 💐🍷🍫
I LOVE that you're doing those pictures. Please don't forget us when you're a famous supermodel!

Did you make a snowman loves? ☃

How's the muff mzzf? you really do need the extra coverage now the cold weather is here 😉

I hope you're doing ok lily? Hooray for some good sleep.

I'll be interested to hear how you get on magrat. I'm wandering if Ds needs a bit of gentle helping into more of a routine at the moment.

We have idea bibs clstow. I hope you got some, they're ace.

Big squeezes all round - it's been a tough week for a lot of us. Yay to tomorrow being Friday!