It's the Christmas party at Mugabe nights, pull up a bar stool and order your shots! August 2015

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New thread for all the regulars at the bar, and the not so regulars too.

They we awesome!!!!

That was meant to say they ARE awesome!

Mr Joskar has tiny feet 😁

They look fab, Joskar! We did some footprints of J, but he wriggled a lot and they are blurry!

Mr Joskar has size 13 feet. He is a clown*.

In fairness he's also just come home and given me a class of wine so woo hoo!

*See previous haircut photo as evidence.

Joskar those look awesome!! How do you get such meat foot imprints? I tried with LO on DHs bday card and blue paint ended up EVERYWHERE!

Dozy, I feel your pain. DH got tickets to Ireland match in European soccer championship or whatever in France next summer. It's the week I go back to work and DD starts crèche and it's too much change for me to handle on my own. In private, DH agrees with me but then whenever family or his friends ask him about it, he says he's hoping to go and has tickets! I already let him go to a day long sports thing 14 hours gone) when DD was 2 weeks old and I could barely move post-emcs!! These men, I tell ya.

And xpost to whoever was saying DH thought baby slept through til 4am!!! I hear DH telling ppl what a good sleeper DD is and I have to remind him he's either asleep for the night waking a or at work for the daytime nap refusals!!

Dozy, you may remember my H was away for 8 nights a week ago now. It was tough, but actually not as bad as I feared. Coping with bed/bathtime was not too bad in the end juggling a baby and toddler. But it was quite lonely, not having another adult around for support. I agreed to the trip ages ago but was under the impression it would be 2-3 days. I did lose it a few times with him, but he went anyway. I'm over the bitterness now. I'll remember this in the future, like you say.

Had a day of very short naps for DS today as DD had a friend over to play and two three year old girls make a lot of noise! Will be interesting to see if the long sleep yesterday was down to jabs or not. I really hope not!

I'm going to have to try and attempt some cot napping, as he is getting heavier to carry around asleep in the day. I think I need to switch from the close to the connecta carrier, as the jersey doesn't feel as supportive any more.

Remind me, has anyone on here actually got a baby that takes decent naps and sleeps through/only has one waking??!

I put her in the bumbo and painted her feet then pressed the card on them. V easy.

I do, rra. Sorry. But she does take ages to go down at night and I seriously paid my dues with dd1 because she was a gazillion times worse than any other baby I've ever heard of. Anyway no doubt it will all change soon enough. This too shall pass - even the good stuff unfortunately! Plus I don't bother with any of the routines or stuff like that so she's just doing it all herself.

Have any of the other bf mammies had AF return? I'm feeling very hard done by. I'm sure I got at least six months last time.

No AF yet. Wouldn't mind it though as considering no 2 in the not too distant future! Mine sleeps 6 hours at night to be woken by a bottom explosion but naps other than in the car/at groups/on a walk happen every 3 days at best. If awake she requires interaction. Am just thankful for the night sleep but DH finds her pretty wearing when being needy!

Interestingly despite being well programmed to wake up to his phone he can ignore or forget night feeds/yells! That said I've missed the fact that he's been out half the night in the past despite lucid conversations so it's probably a habituation thing. I generally don't expect much help at night now we're over the colic stage - couldn't do feed + hold on knees for 30 minutes to avoid full feed regurges - but take the view that it could be life and death if he's not with it (risk of being kicked on head as well as to the subject of the surgery) so his sleep is more important. He also keeps her up/distracted if I go to bed early which works for us.

Love the craft work Joskar!

Mine returned at 12-weeks joskar. T'is rubbish isn't it! Love the cards!

rrra Daytime naps are still okay here thankfully. I find I can function well provided either day or night sleep is going well. When they are both broken I find it hard going. That said I don't sleep during the day when she sleeps, I can't seem to be able to, but I do appreciate the time to be with my own (quiet) thoughts.

Oh the snotty one is stirring again. Must dash. Defo see you all laterz in Mugabe's!

Not content with feeding on and off since about 2pm, have just had J latched on for almost an hour. DH took the opportunity to run him a bath and grab him when he paused for breath. I now feel like death warmed up, really hope this means that he goes to sleep tonight. As DH was away last night, it's definitely his turn for any faffing tonight

No AF for me so far Joskar, not looking forward to it coming back though. 6 months would be nice to start with.

No AF here. Would love another few months without it. Random wow to thinking about number 2 soon!! You go girl!

Rrra DS is a shocker with day time naps. They only happen on a stupidly long pram walk or on my lap. And even then they are really short. Nights were going really well. We were doing 1 night feed and knocking 5 or 6 hours out in one go. That's all gone to peices too. So to summarise bad day time napping and bad night time sleeping. Still, I am very up to date with my tv viewing. The house looks like a bomb has hit it but I've never been as up to date with Eastenders.

We have a connecta sling and I love it. DS gets on with it much better too. Although it's a very pink design and even though it's me thats wearing it I have been asked a couple of times 'what's her name' or 'how old is she'.

Dozygirl that's a tough one. I can see why you are upset. How hot will it be in Cape Verde in March? Could you insist if he goes you and Piper do too? Alternativly a girls weekend away somewhere is called for. Would it cheer you up to know the autocorrect I always get for dozy is Foxy??

Ooh, just thought of another question. Those who have more than one child, are you buying the older children/child something from the baby, and vice versa? Or are all presents from parents and Santa?

Happy Friday everyone!
We've been super productive chez frolic today and done loads of cleaning. It was desperately needed

I think I'm pretty sorted for Christmas. Only the wrapping and cards left to do. We're Visiting family on Christmas and Boxing Day, so I don't have to worry about a food shop for a change. I will be hitting lidl next week for loads of cheese and chocolate.

Don't feel bad about the job
mzzf. If it didn't feel like the right thing it probably wasn't.

You win the random job prize siani! That sounds amazing, but very hard work!

re: the holiday thing dozy. It's a toughie. You might find that you'll be fine without him for a week by then. You might also find it handy to have a week 'in the bag' in case you fancy some time away. But if you don't feel you'll be ready by then, I don't think you'd be being unreasonable to ask him not to go. Is there any way he can hold off from
Booking until a bit nearer the time to see how things are for you by then?

No af here yet jockstar. But I have broken out on my chin today. I've not had a spot since I last ovulated over a year ago so I think it's on it's way.
Those cards are fab! I made a Christmas tree with a footprint the other day. I put it in the bottom of the pram to come home and now my basket is covered in glitter glue and the Christmas tree is bald! It was at a baby group and they were all way to small to do any crafting, but all the mums were really getting into it.

rrra, up until last week I had a baby who slept for at least 10 hours a night (with a quick feed after about 7 hours) and had two 2+ hour naps in the day. Now I have a crazy, shouty, mad looking beast who fights every nap and wakes at least every 2 hours at night. He's very lucky he's so cute!

I hope you're winning the war on snot slow.

Time to attempt the transfer of sleeping baby from my lap to the sleepyhead. I hope I don't see any of you at the bar later

Velcro baby mixed with screamy baby all day. Is this all 3rd set of jabs or is it something else?! Also had evening voms again today... Nicht so gut!

She's bang on week 19 of wonder weeks which gives a list of all the issues she's having but does not give me a magic wand for how to solve them - good news is it should
Be over in a fortnight 😫😕

Dozy a week away then 'should' be easier to deal with and like others have said having that kinda credit is good! But I think frolic has the right idea in that is there anyway he can put off confirming his place until nearer the time?

Is your DH a surgeon Random? Also I'm totally with your struggle of 'when awake entertain me'! I caught myself dancing for DD the other day - gaaaah!
And yes to whoever said about the heaviness of daytime naps on you. All 14lba snuggled on top of one boob - I'm going to need a boob lift at this rate! At least it should only cost half price for the one tit.

Praying, hoping, crossing all available digits that mini mzzzf sleeps tonight and that she settles for her Dad in the morning so I can sleep.

Good luck ladies!!!

Friday night in the bar... I'll have a Cuba libre, and I'll get a round in. I'll have it with Diet Coke seeing as I polished off the best part of a packet of biscuits this afternoon , plus I hate real Coke anyway.

DS went through a lush 2-3 weeks of only one night waking, but for at least a week now he's been on 2 or more. I guess it's the famed 4 month regression (he's 18 weeks today) and I know it could be a lot worse so try not to moan. He will also go down for 2 naps a day in his cot (if we're at home, if not sling/buggy) and they tend to be good hour long ones. Third nap of the day usually in his pushchair and much shorter.

Love the crafting Joskar, we did little reindeer feet last week, so cute. No AF here but am assuming it won't be long now DS is half FF, oh yay .

Good call on the job MzzF, you gotta do what's best for you, I'm sure there'll be plenty more opportunities or you can crack on with your pre/post natal empire

Think DS is asleep so I'll be off till about 5, hope the bar stays quiet.

C'mon Barkeep where's my shots...

frolic thanks for asking but we don't seem to be any closer to winning the war on snot . In fact I strongly suspect this snot to be a new variant on the snot spectrum thereby indicating the presence of back to back colds. Evil. Good work on the cleaning, I got as far as pushing the Hoover round (but did Hoover all the flat surfaces which is like dusting, right??)

Fair play randoms I couldn't even contemplate no. 2 till grumpy one was 18-months. You are made of sterner stuff.

mzzf don't sweat it about the job. You'll know when it's the right time for you and mini-M to move on to the next phase.

rrra grumpy 1 asked to get grumpy 2 a present (she knew what she wanted to buy her and everything) so we went with that. I've got her something small from grumpy 2 also. I'm a great believer in making sure that kids know about giving as well as receiving (especially at Christmas) so grumpy 1 has always been taken shopping to buy Mummy/Daddy presents.

Frolicbaby has slept from 10-3:30! Yay! I've woken up with another fuckin sore throat - boooo! I really don't want another cold.

I think we had back to back colds when we had ours slow. Something made the snot last 3 weeks anyway. It's shit!

I keep thinking the wonder weeks should come with a wand as well mzzf. We have 26 days left until the end of the current leap - joy!

Glad it's not too busy at the bar tonight - I hope that means you're all snoring 😴

Ugh. Far too many visits to the bar overnight. Our little cat is seriously becoming a problem without the missing cat around. She's wanting attention all night, and waking the baby as a way to get it. She just came meowing at the top of her lungs while I tried to feed him to sleep and repeatedly stood on him and licked his head, waking him back up. She's waking me to get under the covers 3-4 times a night, and every time he's stirring because of her yelling. It's REALLY annoying. I want my ugly old cat back!

Haha kbro foxygirl has a better ring to it than dozygirl.

I think I have issues about the holiday because I want to go! If it was somewhere in wasn't interested in the yeah I'd probably quite happily let him go. He needs to book the flights now though otherwise they become too expensive which was the mistake he made earlier this year. Looked at prices and didn't go to book till the next day and they'd jumped up massively. I think I'll just stop making remarks now and let him go and just sort my own holiday out with the girls when I want a break and can be left with the baby. Will have to do it when I'm back working though because I don't have the money to spare. I don't see why we can't come and just keep our distance while the lads do there thing and me and piper have girl time in the sun heehee. I use the term lads quite loosely seeing as most are middle aged men now haha.

Napping....generally as a rule we are out and about during the day so she'll sleep in the car during the journeys but won't stay asleep for long. We've not gone anywhere today though and I wanted a shower. She'd been fed and had playtime so could tell her cry was a tired cry so dp rocked her to sleep and put her in her bouncer. Still sleeping now so it's going well. I don't really pay attention to how many naps or for how long so I don't have much clue really but overnight she sleeps really well. She's done 3 nights in a row now of sleeping for around 10 hours so I'm quite happy with that.

Off for another party tonight though so sometimes a night away puts her out of joint a little bit but hopefully it doesn't ruin things too much.

Oops joskar forgot to say loving the crafts. I went to a paint and glaze place to do Xmas baubles decorations with dd foot and handprints so when I've collected them ill show u all how the turned out. Got one for ourselves and one for both sets of grandparents.

Hope those wit colds are over them quickly. Frolic it sucks to be constantly ill. I'm sure it's to do with the lower immune system u have after giving birth. Hope you've not got another one starting. Dd seems to constantly have a runny nose but it's not a really bad runny nose if u know what I mean. Just doesn't seems able to shift it. It doesn't bother her though thankfully.

I'm so over whatever bloody sleep regression. Or growth spurt. Whatever. FED UP! I feel shattered and would like more than two hours sleep in one go. I don't enjoy cosleeping with DS attached to book all night. I can't rest properly and get achy from staying in one position. Might try a formula feed tonight, as frankly things can't get much worse.

Feeling resentful of my H who is having another lovely day to himself today. I had a 4yo birthday party instead, which was ok, until the dad of my DDs best buddy decided to go home, so I basically had to watch her too!

Everything seems like such a battle. Naps a battle, night times some kind of endurance test. There is no let up. I have no energy to even figure out what else to try to improve things. Feeling very envious of those of you with good sleepers.

We made some salt dough decorations yesterday, me and DD. when she is at nursery in Monday I'm going to try and put DS hand print on one.

I hear you Rrra. My back is killing from having DS sleep on me during the night while feeding. Last night he slept until 3 but was the up hourly until we got up at 7. I had also been out on my work Christmas do so hadn't got to bed until 1. Feel like crap today and also had to do toddler's second birthday party today!

Periods haven't come back yet though. I got over a year without last time. They returned as soon as I stopped bfing in Oct 2014 and I fell pregnant with DS the following month. Random, we were like you and wanted number 2 soon after but bfing was a v good contraceptive!

Joskar, I made a card exactly like the reindeer one with DS this week too! We also did footprint tree decorations. I love their tiny little prints on things!

Dozy that is some amazing overnight sleep you lucky thing! Enjoy your party.

Siani, still no sign of your other cat? [Sad]

We're going to.see Father Christmas tomorrow. I am so excited to see DD's face as she is really getting it this year. Going to dress DS up as a snowman too and put DD in her new Christmas jumper!

Hope the quiet thread means everyone is having a great weekend.

Evening ladies. I am knackered. Dh is on his Xmas night out so I had to do bath and bed for for both boys. Just got them down now so treating my self with a mulled wine and x factor.
Ds had a better night last night (up twice but slept in his cot rather than on me) but I was struggling with sinus pain so didn't sleep well.

We took the boys on the santa steam train today. Me and dh loved it but ds1 was a bit scared of santa but he's been asking a lot of questions since so think he is getting excited. We put our tree up this aft so that has helped. Ds2 slept through the whole thing.

Re periods mine came back last time at 7 months when I stopped bf. I had a little bleed a few weeks ago when I spotted taking the mini pill but hope that was just a one off.

Dh has asked what he can get me for Xmas. The only thing I can think of is a massage. I actually feel so achy and broken all the time. I am sure it's the tiredness plus hunched bf position but think I might start pilates again soon. Mzzf I didn't have spd but would definately pay for your services if I did.

Dosy I went away to London of 2 nights when ds1 was 8 months old. It was great. I would definately get something booked in for you and the girls if you can't go with dp.

Can't remember what else we were talking about so bye for now but I'm sure I'll be back later.

Everything that sounds like a lovely day out! And bravo to you for bedding both of them solo. Can I ask what bedtime do you usually aim for? And do you stick to a routine?

Hope the bar quietness means sleeping babies not mummas passed out in corners.

DD was s total knob to get to bed. Have been trying keeping her downstairs with us in the evening the last few nights and its failed miserably. She deffo wants to be upstairs but then has a hhissy upstairs too - arrrgghh! Babies are so stupid sometimes 'you're heart-wrenchingly tired so just effing close your eyes and sleeeeep' 😖
Maybe I need to bring bedtime earlier? Or start routining? I've no idea!!!

Hope you sore back ladies are ok. Just a note if you are in a shitty achey back position you can normally relieve some of the stress with a pillow right behind your back and having your knees bent with s pillow under the backs of your knees too. But obviously I don't know the exact positions you're all in so might not be possible but always try to over egg the amount of support pillows you need!

Hi 1st wake up of the night. Not too bad.
mzzzf my routine is this. Ds2 just sort of started fitting into ds1 routine because he had too. So
5.30 to 6 pm teatime
6pm might feed ds2 if hungry
6.20 ds2 in bath.
6.30 ds1 in bath.
7pm milk or bf in pj's.
7.15 ds1 teeth then stories, sons and finger shadows This rigmarole can go on a bit! Ds2 just sits with me for stories or goes to dh and watches tv.
7.30 to 8pm feed ds2 until asleep and put in cot. Sometimes ds2 is up a bit later but usually is asleep by 8.30.
It helps that live in a flat so can quickly put ds2 down on playmat while I get ds1 out of the bath or while doing teeth or milk etc... plus our bedroom is next to the livingroom so if ds2 isn't settling I just get him up again and bring him through to us. Don't remember when ds1 got into this routine either but I think it gradually happened over time. Hope it's helpful but all babies are different and yours might be happier going down later or earlier, just keep trying until something works. Good luck.

It is so much nicer doing night feeds by the light of the christmas tree.