August 2015. It's all about food consumption and late nights at Bar Mugabe Nights

[Dozygirl]

New thread for us fast talkers

Had a great time in Melrose with lots of friends and chat and so on. Fab! The girls had a lovely time with the other kids. Bit tired now though. It's a 5-6 hr drive. Looking forward to my own bed.

For those suffering with the cold I really recommend Otrivine. Safe to take while breastfeeding and I think it's million times better than Lemsip.

Not bothering with bedtime for baby just yet. There's no such thing as a rod. Total bollocks. Do what works until it doesn't work then do something else.

Had a salted caramel Bailey's at the weekend. Yumlicious.

Frolic - should be ok if he's not got a temp as kbro said as he's not getting meningitis jab this time round.

Lily - you poor poor lady! I so so so know what it's like dealing with two dogs and a baby and it's a bloody lot to deal with. I'm lucky I have the dog walker twice a week otherwise I would go loopy!!! If they were as giddy as a young dog though I'd have lost it by now. So well done you for getting this far. And yes it's heartbreaking when the situation changes for a pet and you realise you can't look after them in the way they need to be looked after anymore. I've been there and it sucks. You're doing the right thing though, especially since it sounds like the older one is a bit more docile and in control. Will the older one mind being a solo dog now? The reality is though DS is here to stay and is a vampire of your time, as well as of money and sleep! It's horrible to say but sometimes I do feel like the dogs are a bind - I love them to bits but it's frustrating sometimes not being able to go away at weekends or out for a long day. Take and a breath and get it sorted. All of you (dog included) will be happier.

Hope the poonami helps with sleep.

I'm currently wrestling DD who does/does not want to sleep - arrrrrgghh!

Laters 'taters

SALTED CARAMEL BAILEYS -GET IN MA BELLY!!

Sooo bloody tough - totally agree.

Sorry to those who are feeling blue... I had a tough week last week but feel better now for no discernible reason so wonder if those pesky hormones are still playing their part in controlling our emotions. Either way, buenos all round and be kind to yourselves

Also very sorry about your cousin Lily, the world can be a cruel place, hope they have plenty of support.

Happy anniversary Giraffes and Magrat. Last week it was exactly a year since we found out we were expecting, what a year! One of the most bonkers of my life - despite me being extremely sober

Frolic my GP told me not to bring DS in for jabs last time when he had a cold - said they didn't want to overload an already compromised immune system, maybe give them a buzz in the morning.

Well done to your DS Love - and to you for getting through all those crumpets.

I know what you mean about the easier bottles Dozy - we were in the pub most of yesterday (a friend had organised a charity event so it wasn't completely irresponsible... did enjoy more drinks than I've had for a long while though) so ended up giving DS a couple of bottles and he just gets through them so quickly and seems so satisfied afterwards. DP has given him a bottle tonight as well and I think we're going to drop the pre-bed BF permanently now so that it's easier for babysitters, DP, etc.

Mugabe all - hope it's a quiet night in the bar.

Woah loads of new posts loaded while I was writing - I started with so bloody tough in response to Kbro on the previous page!

Tindel glad the HV got back to you sounds like you've got some options so I'm sure something will do the job. I've been using oilatum junior on DS and it has really cleared his skin up- went to GP eventually after this started working and he prescribed a giant tub of a similar thing.

Oh my joksar I neeeed salted caramel baileys!! My favourite thing in Costa at the mo is salted caramel cappuccino- I recommend!!

Mzzf- thanks for the kind words I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. I feel like people with dogs get all judgey when someone has to give a pet up but if it's the kindest thing and done right (I could never send her to a dogs home) then it's for the best surely. The two are actually the same age but the boy is calm and docile like you say, very much just wants to sleep all day nowadays and lingers behind if we run/ power walk with them. Whereas the girl is still like a puppy! They used to play fight a lot but now when she tries to start the boy runs off and hides. She gets run over by the pram no matter how many times it happens, chews the others ones lead if you let her near him and pulls quite a bit too! She is constantly wanting cuddles/ attention that I don't have time/ hands to give which is why if someone who had the time had her she'd be in her element- she thinks she's a lap dog! The boy wouldn't miss her I don't think to be honest as like I say he would like the peace and quiet.

Thanks Clstow- she does have a lot of support thankfully and when I text her earlier to say I was thinking of her she said she only wanted happy vibes sending so has a good mindset at least.

DS woke for a bottle a little while ago and was crying I worried he was starting up again but downed 7oz and has been asleep on my knee since 9pm. Think I'll risk taking him up in the next I'm a celeb break. Then bed myself at 10pm to hopefully get some much needed zzzz! No doubt see you in the bar layer though ladies! Mines a pint of salted caramel baileys on ice

Massive hugs for everyone who is finding it a bit tough right now.

It's no coincidence that postnatal depression often starts to kick in around 4-6 months, I do think it is the point when the going really starts to get tough. For the first few weeks you are high as a kite on hormones and feel invincible after conquering childbirth (in all its many forms) but as the hormones disappear, the visitors slow down and the genuine exhaustion kicks in the reality of the new 'normal' is quite overwhelming.

Rationally I know it gets better as I survived it with grumpy 1 but on days like today the world does feel rather stacked against us and all I did was survive a trip to Asda with a screaming baby - definitely a firstworldproblem but did reduce me to tears.

Anyway, teething has started in the dwarf house - gah! Bright red cheeks, green poo, nappy rash (for the first time ever) and constant gnawing of the hands. Oh, and did I mention the night waking - waaah! DH and I had the least amount of sleep last night that we have had since she was about a fortnight old. It was brutal. The really depressing part is that it is almost certainly going to be a couple of months before there is any sign of a pearly white. Grumpy 1 was the same - it seems that the teeth start moving around in the gums quite some time before they actually decide to make an appearance.

Its also about minus 50 in the dwarf house overnight so I went out today and bought a proper thermostat for the boiler so we can have a more amenable ambient temperature. It means our gas bill will be larger for this winter but I can live with that, anything to get the washing drying

lily I hear you on the pet front. We have a cat, which is in many respects much, much easier than dogs but still drives me to distraction. Because no-one is downstairs stroking her of an evening she is all over the work-tops in the kitchen, the dining room table etc. I cant put anything down on a flat surface without it getting covered in cat crap. I pulled back the shower curtain the other evening to find the bath splattered with blood and cat fur (who knows what met its untimely end in there) and totally lost it with DH. If it wasn't for the fact that grumpy 1 would be devastated it would definitely have been re-homed by now and I too was one of those people who always said I'd never get rid of my pet. Don't feel bad, do what you need to do to maintain sanity.

frolic sorry to hear that you are still lurgyed up. Mugabe Nights serves Beechams with a whisky chaser which should sort you out. We had second jabs on Friday, much better than first jabs I am happy to report.

fatty glad that DD is okay, it's awful when they do things like that. Grumpy 1 came home from school with a massive bruise on her face today and I proper went into interrogation mode to find out what had happened.

fanby hope you have had a better day and got to go back to sleep this morning!

Happy anniversary's (of all types) giraffes, tindel and anyone else who was dtd a year ago today

Must go find a star costume for grumpy 1. All these crafty things we need to do for school are so far out of my comfort zone its untrue. Fortunately my Mum is amazing at this stuff so I farm it out to her. Grumpy 1 (who as you have probably worked out by now is a bit of a character) did ask the other day what we were going to do about making and mending stuff once Granny dies. I told her that Granny wasn't planning on dieing anytime soon to which she said, "that's good Mummy as it'll take you a while to get good at craft"

Slowife- I'm giggling at your DD craft comment! I'm useless too, maybe I should start practising for when DS starts school! Thanks for the understanding too- I can't imagine dealing with blood and fur filled bath poor you! Interesting that you say one only kicks in 4-6 month in I had no idea- I thought it was an early days thing. What you say definately makes sense though.

I think we're teething here too- DS's thumb and forefinger are red raw from chewing them and I can see tiny white dots in the front of his bottom gums. I found a water filled teether in his cupboard today I had put away when we got it as a gift when he was tiny and he had a good chomp on it. Also bought some bonjela but fingers crossed he's asleep in bed now withiur having needed it yet. A friend has recommended bickiepegs but couldn't find them today in boots and it does say from 6 months but whenever teething so I'm guessing that's just a rough guideline. Didn't realise green nappies were associated with teething? DS's are usually always green due to the comfort milk but could that be why he didn't poo for 3 days and resulted in poonami?

Right I'm going to risk tiptoeing to bed, wish me luck!!

Hi all,

I too was at Mugabe Nights last night but too zonked to comment. Our problem is that once DS wakes in the night it is impossible to get him back in the crib and that wake up can be any time from 12 to 5.

Tonight's curve ball is that we went out for dinner tonight about 5pm and he fell asleep in the car around 6.30pm on the way home. He is still asleep and still in the car seat. I know this is not good but we are in the same room and can see he's ok. Am a bit worried about what this will mean for night sleep but quite enjoying an evening to ourselves!

Tindel, I hope you get the support you need from your hv. J loves you more than anything.

Joskar, glad you had a nice break. Am with you on rods too!

Lily, that sounds so hard and you must feel like you can never relax. So sorry to hear about your cousin too.

Love, well done to your DS. My sister was a swimmer and the commitment from my mum to take her training was such a lot. Do you ever sleep?!

Dozy, don't feel bad about giving bottles when out. You have to do what is easiest as that's what will make you happiest.

Clstow, hope you feel better this week too.

Fatty, your DD certainly likes to keep you on your toes! Mine fed plum to the baby today and I only left the kitchen for a minute to find the wipes. Argh toddlers!

Mzzf, hope you had the donut!

Giraffes, happy tranniversary or something less rude!

Sending sleep to all. I think that 4 month regression has started earlier for a lot of us.

We decided not to bother with trying the earlier to bed thing tonight due to utter failure the past few nights. Ds spent most of the evening asleep. Typical!

Thanks for all your advice re: illness / jabs. He's not had much of a temperature, but has definitely been not right. I'll see how he is tomorrow and give them a ring. It's been over a week - surely the germs should fuck off now?

Don't feel bad lily. You have to put Ds first. Frolicdog's sister was bonkers. We lost her last year, which was probably for the best in the long run as she was very needy and would really have struggled to cope with Ds around. We were really worried about how frolicdog would cope as an only, but she has blossomed and is such a good old girl. Have you thought about contacting a breed specific rescue? They might be your best bet for help in finding what she needs. I can't imagine how hard this must be for you. Sending lots of virtual hugs and support.

I'm so sorry about your cousin. She is right about positive vibes being the way forward.
I hope Ds sleeps better for you after the poonami.

A long chat with the hv sounds like a good plan tindel.

I bloody love you jockstar. I had totally forgotten about otravine. I will be at the chemist at 9 am tomorrow and I shall bathe in the stuff. I'm so fed up of this woolly head. I was raging with jealousy because dh was taking night nurse earlier
Glad you had a nice break.
Salted caramel bailey's? HELL YES!

I hope you win the wrestling mzzf.

slow, grumpy 1 sounds like my kind of girl. Nothing like a bit of directness.
Sorry the teething had arrived. I was wandering when it might make an appearance here. Apparently I didn't have a single tooth on my first birthday, so Ds may well be a late developer. I bloody hope so He is dribbling and chomping on his hands loads though, so we could get there sooner. I am thinking of getting one of these to deal with both dribbles and chomps
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Good night everyone- I hope the bar is quiet.

thanks frolic!!

My first drink in the bar was 11.30!! FFS!! Had another 3 drinks since then and now having a rare appearance on the dance floor as DS haas picked tonight to have a night feed again! He beter sodding sleep after this! I'm feeling slightly delirious!!

Oh frolic - I was looking at those neckerchews in mother are the other day they look ace I was going to get one but they only had girly ones. Thanks for the link shall be pirchasing from there!

One for the road then I'm off- make it a hot choc laced with salted caramel baileys mmmmm

Aarrgghhhhh why is BF suddenly agony?

< grabs a vodka and red bull - goes off in search of the baby that slept through>

Hello all! Welcome back happygojo

Tindel good to hear your updates and that the hv has been.

I've already forgotten everything else.

Apart from slows hilarious grumpy 1 tale. Bless her. Best get learning crafts!

Frolic hope ds starts feeling better soon.

Clstow I like the nightime bottle feed before bed. Means she gets to sleep quicker. I tried without it the other night as she'd had a bottle earlier on and it was a disaster. She woke up much more frequently.

I'm now on my third cold since having dd. Yey for lower immune systems post pregnancy. Just want to feel sorry for myself.

Lily sorry you're struggling with the lack of sleep and dog situation. Don't feel like a failure. It's bloody hard work caring for a newborn never mind the dogs as well. I know I wouldn't be able to cope.

Haha frolic me too. I felt sure dd would sleep well tonight but nope she's up. Nearly done an hour of feeding and still going strong. Hoping to be able to put her back in her cot soon so I get a bit more sleep.

I'm already starting to miss the little tiny baby stage and she's only 3 months old. What will I be like when she gets truly big?I know we should enjoy each new stage of development but I loved her being tiny and cute.

Happy transversary giraffe. What a lovely story.

Weird that we were wall conceiving around about this time last year. Syncronised shagging haha. Now I bet it's rare for most of us. It was our 3 year anniversary and I wanted to do dtd the dp couldn't be bothered. So romantic. Sometimes I wonder what's wrong with him. It's not that I want to do it all the time but occasionally would be nice.

Mugabe all round. Ill skip the salted caramel baileys thanks. I'd rather just eat a salted caramel cheesecake or something rather than drink it. I'll have a glass of prosecco tonight please bar man.

Oh clstow why is it suddenly agony??

Love the crafty tale!! She's a keeper!!

Sorry to hear about your cousin lily, that is really shitty xxx

Very interesting about PND starting/appearing around 4/6 months, makes a lot of sense to me....sounds like so many of us are having a tough tittie time, feeling very fortunate for this group right now xx

Managed to get another hour in this morning. Although this afternoon had a row with mum Fine now and I have apologised. From 6am she only slept for 30mins all day!!!! How is this possible???!

I went to bed at 8pm and left her downstairs, but then even with ear plugs in I could hear her hardcore crying so I went downstairs and cuddled her and then came back up. I don't understand how many times I need to tell people don't hold her in the cradle position! It was really weird though, around 11/12 I woke up and I thought I'd accidentally put her in bed with me so I was searching the duvet for her (I do this searching thing a lot!). Turns out she was still downstairs as mum didn't bring her in until 1:45am, she had a bit of a cry but I rocked her and then put her back in the cot and she did her usual grumble and leg thumping but I left her and she eventually went to sleep gone two and has just woken up at 5 and now at 6:15. May as well have one of those salted caramel baileys hot chocs for brekkie pls xx

clstow much hope you can get back to pain free bf soon. I had problems a few weeks back, so went to the drop-in clinic and was advised that I needed to position J differently as he'd got bigger.

We put J down after his 8pm feed and he dozed and fussed, so did a few runs up to replace the dummy. Fed him again just after 10pm, went to bed afterwards and he only woke up about 30 minutes ago! Changed nappy and switched light off in the hope he will sleep a bit more. This is back to the amount of sleep I had when I was working (joys of commuting!), so I could function like this for a while.

This time last year, we celebrated our anniversary on a trip to Amsterdam. I did have my fingers crossed that we would be able to say J was conceived then, but sadly not. We did get epically drunk and eat lots of stroopwaffels though

Ahhh synchronised shagging anniversaries one and all

Sorry for the shit nights all round. More so to you guys who were getting great nights, I can only
imagine it's a lot harder to have to give up sleep once you've had it. Buenos all round

Slow - out of the mouths of babes eh?! Such a turn of phrase!!

Tinsel I'm glad you got a great night under your belt and that you're seeing the HV soon.

Fanby my lovely what is going on with you?! You seem to be emotionally going through the mill at the mo!! And yes bloody yes to 'helpful' relatives who insist on doing something you know doesn't work for your child and making the cries come out. Interestingly DD doesn't like the cradle position either unless it's for milk but that's it!

On a positive note, I attempted project nap off me (NOM) yesterday. I targeted the lunchtime nap as the ones either side are usually only a power naps. She did 40mins asleep in her cot Then surprised me with a 2hr catnap on me in the afternoon - balls! Either way though project NOM will keep on aiming for nap 2 to be in the cot!!

Anyone else's baby seem to fall asleep instantly on your bed?! Mini mzzzf seems to appreciate the memory foam and goose down topper chuffing princess that she is!! And will often conk in minutes on the bed but not on her own mattress. Maybe she's just messing with my mind!!!

Happy Tuesday's* all round.

• Tuesday said in the style of Miranda - Tuuuuuuuesday

Morning all

After Babylove being great for the past few nights, she decided to be awake all last night - I honestly saw every half hour on the clock!! I think the swimming tires her out and she slept most of the day yesterday - toddler was 'looking after' her in the cosy sit me up and was obviously shattered from swimming too!!

lily tough decision with your dog - but you just have to do what is best for you - we don't have pets but I know they are your family too X

frolic had a bit of lippy on at pool yesterday

slow lol at your DD. I am the craft queen!! When DCs bring craft projects home they don't get a look in - I have made some amazing creations (totally not the point of their homework!) - parents get very competitive and it's obvious the kids have done nothing but I can't help myself - mine has to be the best

joskar glad you had a nice break

clstow sorry to hear breast feeding not so good - what's happened?

DD1 wants to see the new Hunger Games movie - can't face sitting in movies - think I will instantly fall asleep - took her to see all the other ones though so may be going tonight.....

Clstow just one boob or both? I thought I had thrush in one of mine, but as scrubbing and washing and lots of feeding and expressing off that side (through gritted teeth while sinking my nails into a pillow) eventually sorted it I think it might have been a blocked duct.

It's both boobs, kind of feels like he's clamping down and it's bruised then more clamping on the bruise iyswim. Don't think it's thrush and can't see/feel any dodgy ducts...

To be honest I think my body is just falling apart. I've got loads of spots, what looks like eczema on my hands (I don't get eczema), a bite on my leg has gone raised with purple bruises round it and of course my hair is falling out. It's like I'm hypersensitive or something. And I've been up since 3:30 as I was in too much pain to sleep then DS kept waking with trapped wind, finally settled him around 6 and DP then woke him up (aargh) so since then I've been catching up on I'm a Celeb and drinking tea. Not a bad way to spend the morning really.

I went to see the latest hunger games at baby cinema yesterday Love, it's pretty entertaining or a good op for a 2 hour snooze

Today's project NOM, not so good!!

mzzf we just had an hour nap, but it was in the sling! Don't care though, it's about 45 minutes longer than I normally get during the day

Ohhh mzzzf she looks so comfy!!! Total princess wanting the good mattress! Bless you, I'm fine (as one can be on no sleep) just having a blip!

Loveandsmiles, look at your girls!!!!! Too cute!!!! I think I'm going to be competing to do craft homework too!! Colouring shall be done in the lines and no liberal Lego making!!

Clstow, your poor boobies - can you dig out the nipple gel? Did you have some from the first excruciating weeks? I'm loving I'm A Celeb!

Molly had a half hour nap this morning, fingers crossed today is going more to plan...what plan?? We have no plan lol. Totally winging this

Completely recommend Cadbury winter edition dairy milk bars, little Christmas trees of joy x