Just Mumming Viroids 6 - some of us have time for JSing, some don't, but we're all grad grads!

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Just shagging grad grads thread! Roll call below please...

YY to that. Babies are much easier outside the house. Inside they are screaming nightmares!

I let any old codger hold the babies (that's not a euphemism for my boobs). I did draw the line at drunk woman on a train who kept asking me if I wanted her to calm Mini down. Ummm that'll be a no.

thank you viroids, you're awesome!
I was hoping it wasn't just me being a dick.

yes to babies being well behaved out, but nightmare indoors. E makes me look like I'm lying when I turn up to baby group and tell the other mums that she's just cried for three days straight. She just lays there all lovely and calm and smiles at everybody. pfft.

lol to the drunk woman on a train wil!

On a more serious note: tee that sounds tough, and I can totally understand where you're coming from. I hate it when anyone wants to hold E. I find that people want to jiggle her about and wave toys in her face and stuff. Really makes me want to rage and cry at the same time. I'm really trying to keep it under wraps as dh loves showing off his daughter. But he has a very enthusiastic overbearing family and I'm still finding it hard to watch them with her. I'm hoping it's one of those things that gets better with time. Hugs for you

Oh and MIL races me to E when she cries too. I find it absolutely ridiculous. Sounds like we both have knobs for MILs.

Welcome fleur! Lovely to see you here. Hope everything is going ok with S and that you get some rest from the meltdown.

Haha! Whhhhy do they do that!? TT will happily lay on a quilt on the sofa at my mum's and doze off for hours, her friend will pop in and comment on what a good baby he is and in the meantime I'm so tired my eyes are virtually bleeding. and then he'll be a total horror as soon as we leave.

We might attempt swimming tomorrow. I've got root canal in the AM, so it has real potential to be a day of torture...

Eurgh. Root canal. Good luck with that tee. What a bitch that can be!

I haven't had quite the same reaction you have to others touching the babies mini - at the moment I'm grateful for anyone to take him so he doesn't ask for food! When he cries though I would expect him to at least be offered back and ultimately if you ask then baby should be returned.

Hi fleur! Good to see you here too. I have found it hard but hopefully you've found it a bit easier.

We do have lots of groups here popz, pretty lucky really. Getting there is an issue for a while though. There is a daily breastfeeding clinic group thing about 20min walk away we are going to try and do tomorrow to see if I could do it alone as could be a good place to start.

dulcet that sounds like a good idea, everyone there will have their boobs out so you shouldn't fel uncomfortable! I think the babies are all conspiring with the behaving well when out of the house! Unfortunately I'm stuck in, H is still poorly and I don't want her to pass it on to any other little ones, she had diarrhoea yesterday too :(. I did take her on a walk, but was meant to be going on one with others today but I cancelled. Struggling a bit recently as she's back to up twice in the night and doesn't like being entertained for long during the day, so fusses! I neeeeeed to get out!

Morning! First day of holiday and yes, I'm awake .

NOT because of a shit night surprisingly enough. We're in a well known hotel, all in the same room so putting R to bed at 6:30 was never going to happen. She finally, after much coercion, nodded off just before 9! I'm in bed with her, husband in spare bed, she's fast a fucking sleep, we're wide awake as we are catching ferry soon.

She didn't even wake for a ten pm feed !

The little Madam!

Debating whether to keep her awake for ages and then she'll sleep a good while in the car, or just let her sleep on the ferry

It wasn't a baby screening yesterday, but they usually do one on a Tuesday morning and we try & go most weeks. It feels like mummy time with baby in tow, which is good!
It wasn't down as being one yesterday, but as it was a U cert I thought I'd just take him anyway! I knew he'd be good because he usually is, but he seemed to enjoy it even more because it was louder and there were more adverts
On normal baby cinema day you get tea & cake included, and the nice man on the screen brought me free tea & cake yesterday anyway, because I'd brought a baby with me!
We first took him at 5 weeks, not sure how much longer he'll put up with it now he's crawling...

Reading rest of Fred...

Does she not get grumpy if you try and keep her awake?

Zyla, I know that feeling. Mini been quarantined since Friday. I think I might go out today though but just keep her in the buggy and away from everyone.

Micro has started doing a straining noise which is doing my head in. Not poo related as far as I can tell. Wondering if it's teething as she's a grump.

Mini - totally normal, most people would pass them back voluntarily! She probably sees it as a challenge to try and settle her, but it's not her place. I'd say don't ask, just walk over with your arms open for the baby saying 'oh dear what's wrong?' or something, and just take her! Your MIL will look like a right nutter if she doesn't let go! I hope your DH is being supportive... This is his first MIL vs wife test, and you should be firmly number 1 at this point!

Welcome Fleur!

Cookie - what's putting E off his food? How frustrating!

Tee - I know what you mean, it's so hard to let go of them sometimes... it was for me early on, but I trained myself out of it! Now I'll happily throw him at anyone passing I figure the more he goes to other people, the less chance of serious separation anxiety kicking in in the future, I'd hate to have a real Klingon. But in the early days I was so protective, I'd hover and worry - it's totally normal! It's weird how people see babies as public property sometimes though. There was one time when DH's very smelly next door neighbour wanted to hold J, and she'd just had a fag, and was like 'ooh, come on baby' and going to grab him from DH, and he had to practically shout at her to bugger off!

These babies are in cahoots. Even a walk round the block in the pram in the rain is better than an afternoon moan-a-thon in the lounge!

Min - good luck, J is hilarious if I try to keep him awake, he just can't keep his eyes open.

Nap is GO - I've got sooo much to do this morning!!

I am very lucky when it comes to Mil's I have two but both love miles away, we are down south (Herts) one lives in Northumberland, and the other in France! I can't imagine either of them keeping E away from me when they meet him!

E is having funny poops I am hoping it is teething and not a bug, we are off out later with friends I will keep him away from them though!

Thanks for the warm welcome

S's meltdown lasted from 6 - 11pm last night. The only time he wouldn't cry is if he was on the boob (not necessarily feeding, just sucking). He does this most nights.

He refuses to settle for me but my DH can usually quieten him down for short periods.

It's just all so exhausting

Any views on infacol? My health visitor poo - pooed it as having no evidence for helping.

I am also just getting used to BF in public I went to john lewis first as they have a cafe and a parents room next to it in case I wimped out. It was absolutely fine, there were several other mothers doing the same thing. The one tip I do have is - sit in a corner or somewhere with a bit of "cover" - even your pram will do - so that you can turn and latch out of view. I hate sitting with my back to a room and so I still faced in where people could see me.

Clothes are also an issue - I am sick of my maternity stuff and a lot of it isn't nursing friendly but I still need to lose a few pounds to fit into my pre pregnancy clothes. I have bought some vests and generally wear leggings, vest and baggy top/ shirt.

tee I also feel uncomfortable with people holding him. My boss keeps going on about me bringing S into the office but I don't want him passed around

We've been snacking since 3.20am. I haven't put him down off the boob for longer than about 10 minutes .

Is it too early for gin and mini cheddars? Technically it almost feels like lunchtime. It's okay to turn up att he dentist pissed, right?!

Blimey tee that's some going. How are your nips fairing?

Totally acceptable to turn up to the dentist pissed, just make sure you pick out any mini cheddar debris from your teeth first....

If you drink enough gin, you won't need the anaesthetic!

Fleur, we used infacol a lot with first baby. You have to use it often and let it build up to see an affect. I think your HV is right that there is no evidence for it although I would say it helped to bring up wind a bit. Both my girls did similar length screaming in the evenings and it turned out to be dairy allergies - so just something to look out for if it doesn't settle down within a couple of weeks. Good that he settles for DH though - often they don't settle on mums as they smell the milk I think.

Do you just keep going when that happens tee? I just don't know what to do when that happens. It was a bad night here and has been 10 minute feeds constantly since. Having a break now as DH managed to calm him, same as fleur, but I can't do that due to the milk. If he's with me that's all he wants! Just had a melt down along these lines.

Did you go out on your own to JL fleur?

Any tips for snacks when BFing? Looking at what I can get in to make eating easier when DH is back at work next week. (Cue another melt down!)

Sorry, another question, do you do any day or night routine by getting baby changed in the morning and at night? J is staying in sleep suit most of the time, changed at some point during a nappy change but not a set time or anything. Does that help?

At that age dulcet probably not. We stayed in sleep suits for ages unless I was taking her out, and then only if I could be bothered!
I suggest making a packed lunch for during the day, stuff you can eat one handed! That said, I snacked on sooo much crap and I e only just stopped at 6 months, forcing myself by joining slimming world :)

MrZ laughed at me last night because we out her in pyjamas and I said what I big girl she was getting, PJs instead of a sleep suit, then I cried because I didn't want her to grow up, lol!

Right, im crap at writing anything, still here and reading, time to write is short!
Dulcet, im sorry youre finding things difficult. They do get better in a few weeks, but if not dont keep things bottled. Share with us DH, friends and use all help you can get. (2 yrs ago I had to take a friend to hosp, she had PND and had taken an overdose) dont suffer in silence. Having a baby is no picnic, some of us can put on a front.
Baby B feeds regurlaly at least every hour for more than 20 mins between 7pm and midnight. And then gets up 2 times during the night, not bad @ 5 weeks but really tiring with another 3 to look after.
FiL was here last night, was dissapointed that B was assleep, so I woke her and handed her over. He held her through supper and she started to cry, she was hungry so I told him what the problem was, and he held on to her. I was starting to get antsy, plus when she cries i start leaking... To be fair he did help me eat my supper with both hands, but its deff not a pfb thing! Also my mother has selective hearing, or thinki Im lying! Every time I say that i need to change her to give her a feed she grabs her for a cwtsh and wonders why she is unsettled
Right lunch.....

dulcet I went to JL with DH but he needed to do some shopping elsewhere so he left me in the cafe. I must admit it has given me much more confidence to BF in public on my own. The first time will always be hard and so I am glad it's out of the way.

We change his sleep suit as and when needed - however as a typical boy he has a penchant for weeing just as I take off his nappy. He had two full changes in the night

Thanks for the tip wil is there anything else to look out for if he is allergic to dairy? He doesn't seem to have any problem during the day or through the night - just the 6-11pm slot which I understand is classic colic.

I don't know if it's the right thing but I just keep going dulce - my nips are quite tough now so that isn't so much of a problem, but it is incredibly frustrating. Esp when you're exhausted. I had a tiny tantrum about 6am because I was so fed up! I will hand him over to Mr tee to wind/change and attempt to settle though because I'm aware that I smell like delicious buffet. Sometimes he'll drift off, sometimes he'll root on him too. I use these breaks to just walk away for ten minutes, stretch legs, get drinks. I do think that he's doing it out of comfort or over/tiredness on nights like this though. I just keep reminding myself it's not forever, you can't die from tired.. And for him he just wants to be close to his mumma, nine months all snug in my whoomb and then THIS... It must be a hard adjustment. It's really hard on my patience, but if I get worked up or try and hurry him, it makes it worse. Don't beat yourself up, they are difficult buggers at this age.
Food wise - marks and Spencer's cruidites and picnic food in the little square tubs. Grapes, babybel, bagged baby carrots, radishes. My 'lunches' are all a bit of a mish mash of these things. Sometimes i just eat Jaffa cakes..

I'm sure it probably is just colic Fleur,

And the dressing thing- assuming no poo disasters have occurred, he gets bathed and put in a clean sleep suit about 7pm and then in the morning I dress him in something else, usually short sleeve vest and then leggings or a romper. Although some days we just hang out in sleep suits if it's not too hot. I don't have a strict routine or anything like that, but I thought just a couple of repetitive things each night (bath, massage, change into Jim jams) might get him used to the difference between daytime and nighttime. Or not as last night showed!