October 2014 // thread 3 // Maybe we'll get some sleep soon.

[MundayCakes85]

Last thread is full so here's a shiny new one

Hurray! Some kind person took my buggy to the school office! So relieved was starting to panic.

On the subject of routines I would say do what works for you. I got myself in a right state about this in the past. Personally I need a bit if a break in the evenings so I like to guide them into sleeping at 7 not always easy and if he won't he won't. I give him a little poke at around 5 if he's asleep and keep him awake until around 6.15 then give him a bath and feed then cuddle him until he's really drowsy then put him down. Since I've moved him upstairs he's been sleeping til 11ish then dp wakes him and feeds him. He will then sleep until 3 or 4ish feed then I wake him at 7 as we have to get up and ready.

This is what's working for us at the moment but I could never have done this with my first as she used to breast feed all evening and also this is what happens on a good night we have the occasional night where it all goes tits up or like last night he wakes at 2 and 5 .

Tatty, M does that constant snacking thing. If it is getting close to his bottle of formula which he has at 9.30pm we do everything we can to keep him entertained so he'll still have an appetite for it - I find DH is better actually because he doesn't smell of milk. We sing to him/bounce him in his bouncer/show him a book/put some music on. But up till abut 9pm I just offer the boob as figure he knows when he is hungry.

Someone told me about the Easy routine which is basically them eating, having a bit of sociable/play time and then sleeping. The Y stands for you... I.e. You time, ha ha ha. At the moment we are more feed, sleep, sociable, feed, sleep...no me time. Occasionally he does it in the correct order. But basically routines can wait until he is older.

Yellow, interesting about Lesotho. I travelled right across Africa last year and heard a baby cry about once or twice. They are always strapped to their mothers back or front and have pretty quick access to milk.

We've found that a bath interrupts her screaming by the way if anyone fancies trying that. We do massage stuff after and dry her with the hairdryer, which she loves, so it stops her shouting'flow'.

Thanks, yellow. I need to trust my instinct more I think, and believe that just because it's the path of least resistance doesn't mean it's automatically wrong. It's not like she's going to be like this for ever, and I really don't have the sort of life where it matters if she's feeding a lot/to sleep (am total loser).

routines make me feel inadequate

Hv told me that in my town (jolly whitebread middle class demographic), Gina Ford is one of the main causes of pnd! Lots of career women desperate for a routine.

I've also noticed that there is a different friendship thing between those who carry and those who push. Rare to see a woman carrying a baby with a woman pushing a baby. Instead like flocks with likel

bellyrub the relaxation apps I listened to: one is called 'inner peace and calm' by Glenn Harold. One of his was called relax and sleep well which was good. I also downloaded one called new baby, new life (overcoming PND) which I didn't listen to.

I hope you feel better soon.

Yay Pregnant!! So glad you got your buggy back and good kind people still exist in this world.

Interesting that you wake your baby up c.5pm - I have wondered that too inorder to get his bath in. Might try this.

Yay pregnant thank god for that !

missus when I wake him sometimes I give him a bit of a feed,it depends how much he had at the last feed and at what time it was (usually between 2-3 depending how the days going) otherwise I've found by the time I bath him he's getting so hungry he gets very cross! I try to give him as little as I can get away with though so he's still ready for more when I feed him after the bath.

goats I can totally understand why gina ford can do that! I think she has some really good stuff in her books but some of it is utter shite. All mine have actually ended up following a similar pattern to hers in the end but I gently guided rather then enrolling them in ginas baby army! Put your baby down to sleep in his cot awake, draw the curtains and he will sleep for 2 And a half hours. My arse he will gina love, he will just scream til I'm on the verge of a break down.

Thankyou fatpony

Pregnant I won't take the advice of someone who thinks you can transpose nanny skills to being a mummy - its totally different - it pulls your heart strings when its YOUR baby rather than a charge you're paid to care for and ok they might learn to stop crying but if their cortisol levels are sky high I'm going to struggle to enjoy "me" time knowing that. She slept in her mums bed to 15 so I think has some issues she's working through - hence her "tough" stance. I think routine happens naturally anyway as the small folk are critturs of habit and there are gentle ways to get the same result without making mum's feel failures for comforting their helpless infants. Goats I bet that's true!

Ugh we had our meds review at the hospital today and we were there am hour and a half for 10 minutes of the doctor's time! Pointless.
Since then he has pretty much been crying the whole time. I've fed him (a few years times) but he comes off the boob and faffs and ends up getting frustrated with himself. I think he must be going through a funny phase. I hope he gets over it soon!

Anyone else's MN gone funny? Mines only showing one post at a time - v weird

Yes fedup I can only see your post!

I was looking at goats' post for most of the afternoon! It's just returned to normal. Oh they weighed my little chunk and he's 12lb 3oz!

Hi ladies...day 2 of sole charge of having 3 kids...getting there..tho I saw your early morning post me & you have my sympathies...had 3.5hrs sleep last night...need an early night tonight. Looking forward to tomorrow with the other two at pre school/nursery. I feel as if I just 'dump' Adam on playmat/bouncer whatever as I always have another task to do (feed the other two, dishes, washing etc).

Lost the thread for a few days. Not sure if I'll be able to catch up. Hope everyone is okay.

Gina ford also means you can't leave the house for the first 6 months!
I heard that about PND too. It's when the baby doesn't 'do' what Gina says it should do and you are holed up in the house slowly going mad. I have the gina book and threw it at the wall last time and not opened it this time!!
EASY is the baby whisperer and does make sense / not about fixed timings. And better for bf babies than GF.

Glad MN is back to norm!

And yep - Gina doesn't even have kids herself!

I dealt with GF in a previous job. Won't say too much (maybe I should post in the fb group instead!) as She Who Cannot Be Named (as she was called on MN for ages due to the lawsuit) can be litigious.

The EASY thing definitely emerges over time I think. I never read the baby whisperer but I do think it's more realistic. Dd2 is 5 weeks, so still a bit erratic, but the easy pattern will come soon.

Who can add me to the FB page please??

Well I've now bought Baby week by Week and the Baby Whisperer. I have trouble trusting someone's views who hasn't had kids themselves

She just did a poo virtually the same size as her. Dear god!

Yellow we had an early bath this afternoon. It got on her arms and legs, the bouncy chair and in her hair!! Was epic

Missus PM Kirstipops and she'll add you.