Jan 2014 - can we call it a sleep regression if they didn't sleep in the first place?

[Swannykazoo]

Here goes...

Goodness crawling already! Archie doesn't even sit up yet the little monster.

nature we're similar on sleeping here too... F also sleeps well but wakes to feed c. 5am. We are also still feeding to sleep almost every night... If he wakes in the night we can rock him back to sleep in his crib, but no self-settling here, boo!

No crawling here, just lots of rolling. F got his first tooth the day before he turned four months, but since those first two came through there's been no more.

Just had F weighed... At 24 weeks he's now 20lb 7 and on the 98th percentile... Did anyone's baby start to slow down in growth terms by six months? At this rate he's going to be the world's biggest toddler...

Felix I wouldn't worry about the red marks. O gets about 5 of these a day! But she will pull herself up on things and let go so I don't know what she expects!

Another feed to sleep here. Back to work on Tues so will be taking path of least resistance and most sleep be maximising night feeding opportunities to keep supply.

puggle what are you planning on doing during the day? Will you express? I'm going back in a month and am hoping to carry on feeding without expressing during the day and giving expressed bm when I'm not with her. Not sure how realistic this is.

My concern about feeding to sleep is that I'm away for a weekend in September and worried dh won't be able to get her to sleep.

Last night was a bit better in that she stayed in her cot but she went to bed at 6.30, woke at 7.20, 9.30, 1, 4, 5, 6.30. She fed each of those times. She used to sleep through or only wake once. She isn't feeding as much during the day so I'm wondering if that's the reason.

Am hoping to express at lunchtime and give that next day. Only snag, can't seem to get let down going so can only pump about 50mls & keep getting blocked ducts -sigh. Am hoping reverse cycling will kick in, or more solids will actually go in during the day or a miracle happens. I'm slightly very worried that DH won't cope and my baby will spend his days in my office! Are you feeding to sleep for naps too nature?

Mostly. She will fall asleep in the car, pram or sling though. She has fallen into a regular nap routine now so the plan is to start weaning her off feeding to sleep next week when dh is here. I sort of figured probably wrongly it would be a bit easier to do if she was used to going to sleep at that time anyway. Not sure what technique to try though. Been doing some reading the past few days. Does anyone know the gist of the no cry sleep solution? Wondering if the book is worth buying or whether to try PUPD first.

puggle I've been expressing for the past few months to build up a freezer stash but I am quite lucky as can express 6-8oz in the morning which is why I'm hoping I can avoid expressing at lunchtime if I let my supply get used to that before I go back.

Leah's feeding to sleep too, except during the day when most of the time she will settle for being rocked to sleep in the pram, with white noise. She's in a sidecar cot at the minute, not only is she feeding to sleep but I have to feed her lying down. If I feed her to sleep in my arms she wakes up when I put her down...

DH had her for the evening whilst I went out with friends and she slept in the pram until I got home. I'm really worried about the next 2 weeks when we'll be in Devon with a travel cot.

I can't believe they're all getting so big! Crawling, cruising and more teething!

Nature, NCSS for feeding to sleep is to gradually unlatch them earlier and earlier in the dozing-off cycle over a few days/weeks. So you start off unlatch ing as their eye lids flutter, re latching if necessary and trying again. Then you unlatch whilst still awake but lying next to them. That point on it's a case of doing gradual withdrawal.

Thanks becca. I may give that a try as been pretty much doing that anyway.

puggle do you use a manual or electric pump? Might be worth trying a different one. I've had friends who have struggled until they have tried a different pump. Then again it may not make any difference!

Nature I've got manual avent and an electric ardo. Get on a wee bit better with the manual but it knacks my hands. Have to try the ardo on double pump setting to see if I can crack it. Produced not a drop with a borrowed Tommy Tippee pump! I'm v jealous of 6oz!

I think I was very lucky that the pump I bought (avent comfort after recommendations here) works well for me ans I've always had a bit of an oversupply problem!

Just had a lovely walk in the park and on the beach with the dog and O in my new sling that turned up today

Oooh what kind of sling?

Storchenwiege. It's a half buckle carrier. Gone for this as O is fine in the sling when we are walking but wants out the minute we stop so this is nice and convenient.

Happy new sling day nature!

Oooh nature. I was just looking at their ring slings. I wish I knew more about slings for the next size up (we have a Moby atm).

The Storchenwiege sounds lovely nature. I too was looking at their ring slings. So pretty!

In the end I went for the ergobaby ventus because I wanted something I could use for days out. I am still not really getting on with it. I can't get used to how low on the hips it sits and the convenience of the baby bjorn is too tempting. N is getting too wide for the BB now though so will give it another go.

I have a squealing giggling completely awake N beside me on the bed after a bath and a mammoth bf session which I had hoped would send him off to sleep. We have just arrived today at our flat, which has been empty for four years. It is funny rediscovering a place full of forgotten things and seeing remnants of the person you used to be. The clothes in the wardrobe, needless to say, are all two sizes too small.

DD, who has never lived here, is reserving judgement for the moment. She is happy that she will soon have her own room but is disappointed that the house isn't clean and that there are no friends here waiting for her. She has gone out with DH to buy some lightbulbs and get a takeaway.

Hope you are all having lovely evenings full of peacefully sleeping babies and relaxation.

Altered i don't feel comfortable wearing the ergo but DP loves it. I'm such a weakling though and my back kills after 5 minutes!

Ughhhhh so S woke up every 30 minutes from 11pm - 4am, then at 5.30, then woke again at 6.50 with a nose bleed I didn't even know babies could get nose bleeds! I'm so sick of being exhausted all the time. She's slept no longer than 2 hours since she turned 4 months and she's now 7.5 months. When will it stop?

I highly recommend a visit to a sling library if there is one near you. Great advice and you can try them out for a while to see if they work for you.

My storchenwiege is so pretty

Dh has taken O out for a few hours. Worried she is going to be a crying wreck when she comes back as he won't put her down for her nap.

Felix, I hear you. There wasn't even an hour between any of Meredith's wakings last night. No idea what's wrong with her. She's never slept through, and the fewest wakings she's ever done was 2, and that only happened once. But less than hourly? Not impressed.
I brought her in with us at 6.30am and she was wide awake, but half an hour ago she grizzled for a bit and then fell fast asleep in my bed. So I'm stuck here next to her until she wakes up, just in case she rolls off the bed.

My sister has offered to have her for a few hours today while I take the carpet up in DS's room. It'll be the first time I've left her. My sister is very capable, but she has a toddler and I think she's mad for offering to have M too!

What's everyone doing this weekend? We're carrying on with DS's room tomorrow, then on Sunday we're going to some hipster food festival in East London. We're on the VIP guest list or something because of DH's work, so that better mean a laminated pass to plenty of free stuff!

Toby I literally have no idea how to make her sleep through. Mostly she will wake up every 2ish hours and sometimes I can get away with putting her dummy back in then she will go back to sleep. Sometimes she's really hungry and will drain a whole bottle. I am trying to get her to eat/feed more through the day but it doesn't make a difference. I think I probably need to get rid of the dummy but it's the only thing which will make her sleep at the moment. She's been like this for so long and I'm starting to feel so shitty from being exhausted all the time. DP will take her for a couple of hours in the morning on a weekend if we haven't got plans (which isn't very often) so I can get some sleep, but it's not enough. He also offers to wake up with her through the night on a fri/sat sometimes but he doesn't hear her so I end up waking up then kicking him for about 5 minutes before he gets out of bed, which means I could have sorted her out and got back in bed by the time he's fannied on getting up so it's just pointless. Sorry for the rant!!

Food festival sounds good. I hope you get loads of free stuff! Love a freebie. We are going down to my parents for the weekend as they haven't seen S for ages. Can't wait to see my sister and nieces and hopefully palm S on to someone so I can be lazy all weekend

I genuinely don't know what the answer is with sleeping. I've had one AWFUL sleeper (DD) and one great sleeper. Well I think it's great, sleeping through at six months, but I'm comparing him with DD who didn't sleep more than three hours until 15 months. We tried all sorts to help her sleep but in the end it just came down to time. She's a great sleeper now at two.

I feel your pain. I really do. The last couple of days I've been properly knackered and really grumpy. She's never slept longer than 4 hours at a time, but now she's taking the piss.
I don't like to moan about it, because I know there are some of us book who would kill for 4 hours. Sadly the 4 hours are always as soon as she's gone to bed at 8pm, so by the time I've gone to bed I get maybe an hour before she starts waking.

I think I'm going to have to ask DH to step in and help a bit. The trouble is that she's still in our room and on my side of the bed. He pretends he can't doesn't hear her when she wakes up, so by the time I've kicked him, I'll probably be wide awake anyway. Then I'll have to stab him.

It's so frustrating, isn't it?

Have fun visiting your parents :)

Hope you all settle in quickly, altered.

I don't like to complain about it either because I know it could be a whole lot worse. But it's just starting to fuck me off now. She's currently knackered but refusing to sleep and I'm just getting angry.

And we have the exact same sleeping arrangement. How the fuck can they NOT hear a loud crying baby in the middle of the night? I want to move her in to her own room to see if it makes a difference but it's up on the top floor, so I'll either be up and down the stairs all night or most likely end up sleeping up there on the futon forever while DP has more lovely nights sleep in our nice bed