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July 2006 the epic continues.....

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janenevie · 27/08/2006 18:38

Hi all,

thought I'd take the initative (sp)from kbaby and start the talked about new thread!!
Hope you're all OK!!
Jane

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Wallace · 31/08/2006 21:50

kayzed - glad all was okay (apart from dh and screaming kids!)

prettymum - my ds does that, I put him down and mins later he starts crying.

Not too bad this evening, I think he has settled now. He wasn't crying like he was last night, just falling asleep, then waking up again straight away. And needing to be held. It's easier for me as my kids are older (5 and 7) and can do a lot for themselves.

kbaby · 01/09/2006 09:03

sorry ive got loads of questions for you.

quick question for those mix feeding- which bottles and teats are you using and how many ozs are you giving.
dh has started to give ds a bottle in the night but each time its not gone well
1st night - went ok drunk 4 ozs
2nd night - drunk 4 ozs but wide awake and would only sleep after another bf
3rd night[last night] disaster, he wouldnt accept the teat and kept gagging on it or pushing it back out. eventually he drunk 4 ozs but again was wide awake so i fed him but still awake. i gave him the dummy but he gagged on it and vommited everywhere, hes now been awake since 5am.

so far giving him 1 bottle for me to get extra sleep has resulted in less sleep. should i perservere or give up. i want him to accept the bottle so at least i can have a few hrs away. anyone have any tips.

i tried the sling i have last night and he didnt like it so maybe i will have to get the one youve suggested kayzed.

anyone finding that even if the lo isnt hungry they still try and suckle through your clothes. everytime i hold ds and hes crying he does that but if i feed its just a comfort feed, its so confusing.

im glad im not the only one whose lo is unsettled, although i dont know about cluster feeding to sleep through the night wallace as his feeds at night have gone from 4.5hrs down to 3 ill keep hoping.

nixnoo · 01/09/2006 09:04

Hi Ladies,

Glad you ok, Kayzed....

I am really struggling!
He is still feeding with gaps of 2 hours, even after a bottle of formula at night.
I am taking fenugreek, drinking more water etc. I try to take him for walks between day time feeds to distract him, which can push it to 3 hours. Dont know what else to do!

To make things worse these painters doing the exterior can hear every squawk!

At 3 am this morning when I was so tired I was on the verge of tears, he just looked at me and grinned the biggest grin ever - cheeky monkey.

Well, I guess I have to just persevere and start all over again today. If things don't improve over the weekend I will go and see the HV on Monday.

Have good weekends!
x

usandbump · 01/09/2006 10:06

I have had a tough couple of days too and shed alot of tears. I started FF by introducing 1 bottle a day Zack didn't like it at all for the first few days but we perservered and it got better so upped number of bottles and BF at night, this worked for 2 days! He now refuses the bottle which proved a nightmare coz my milk supply had reduced so we have had 2 days of constant feeding and lots of tears- his and mine! When taking a bottle he only ever took 2-3 ozs every 2 hours.
So I am no advert for mixed feeding! I am going to perservere with one bottle a day because like you I need some time to myself. I have to BF at night in any case because its the only way I can get him to sleep! I am lucky at the moment because after BF in the evening he does go down for 3-5 hours so I did manage to go out for an hour and a half last night! Bliss! I do know if he had woken up my sister would had to have called us to come home though. But during the day the gap between feeds isn't long enough for me to go anywhere.
Daytimes are have been quite tricky this week with him being really unsettled and I have found it quite upsetting that if I cuddle him it doesn't comfort him because all he does is root for food so I end up just feeding him I don't know what the answer is just keep going I suppose.

I thought it was supposed to get easier at 6 weeks?!

usandbump · 01/09/2006 10:08

DP is ok thank you, still a bit sore but otherwise fine. We are counting our lucky stars because it could have been much worse.

prettymum · 01/09/2006 10:33

had an ok night last night, ds went to sleep at 9 and woke every 4 hours for a feed and woke up at 8 this morning!!

he went back to sleep all by himself for the first time this morning!! yipee

ds is so alert and is always making noises when we talk to him, he loves his baths, isnt it amazing how they change so much in just a few weeks?

kbaby · 01/09/2006 11:10

usandbump - it seems some of us are going through the same thing. ive also found that ds wont sleep at night if bottlefed so dh is going to try and give the feed earlier tonight. he was doing the 1am feed but if he does the feed before at least it may give him a few hrs to try and get ds to sleep. were the same with constant rooting, as soon as i hold him and hes crying all he does is root, ive started giving him the dummy when he does this as i know hes not hungry.

he must have really bad wind. he comes off the breast screaming and jumping around and it takes ages to comfort him.

is anyones lo sleping for long streches. unless were in the car or buggy he only sleeps for 30mins at a time.

IamBlossom · 01/09/2006 11:27

morning guys.

Shit shit night. DS1 woke and screamed three times through the night, waking up TOby, who then took 2 hours to settle, after I have bragged he goes straight back down after a feed, and then Toby woke again at 5am and wouldn't go back down so I put him on my chest and we both slept again for half an hour. Shattered today. DH had a go at me for letting him sleep on me in bed too, as he is paranoid about him being smothered. Had to get SOME sleep though!!
It's so frsutrating because I really want/need Toby to learn to take himself off to sleep and would leave him to squawk for a bit longer if I wasn't so worried he would wake up DS1. Roll on having our nights back for sleeping. I really want to start exercising properly but there is no way I can with this amount of sleep.

DH a moody sod too as he came off his bike earlier this week and severely scraped his arm (it does look VERY sore I have to say). Thank god for toddler's day time naps - I've said it before and I'll say it again....

Ciao for now.

Bloss

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HumphreysCorner · 01/09/2006 12:26

Morning ladies

and (((xxx))) to all of you going through a trying time. Don't know what to say. I am BF all the time now apart from the odd bottle if I go out so will be having the same problem when I introduce more SMA feeds. Sophie does mess about when feeding as she does a woodpecker impression which hurts my nips. There is something good to be said about bottle feeding as you can monitor how much is being drunk. DD1 was bottle fed and needed a feed every 2 hours during the night which was making me v. tired and down so put her on SMA hungrier baby food and it altered to every 3 hours until she was weaned at 17 weeks. Sophie only wakes for 1 feed at 5/6 am and she is a BF baby. For those who have made a decision to change feeding should persevere as I'm sure you will be alot happier when it all settles down. We all need a group hug. ((((((((((((((((((((((xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx))))))))))))))))))))))))

Sophie sleeps for quite long stretches in her rocker and no longer cries before nodding off. May all change when she gets a bit older.

Bloss-I hope your DH is OK. Crikey, I hope no more DH/DP's have any more mishaps. Toddler naps?????? I wish

kayzed-pleased your lump was nothing ominous.

Is anyone who was planning on returning to work having 2nd thoughts? I am at the moment, I always said I wouldn't return when I had 2 children. Don't know how we will cope financially though-will worry about it next year.

DD1 was sick all over the lounge carpet this morning but when I questioned her she said it was when she coughed and was an accident so fingers crossed it isn't another sickness bug. She hasn't been sick since.

Take care ladies-these days will pass and we will look back on them and

xxx

maewest · 01/09/2006 13:00

Hi ladies - sorry to hear of bad times with feeding, must be tough dealing with toddlers too. I'm sure Dom smiled properly at me this morning - he was in his bouncy chair whilst I hung out the washing, I'd been chatting to him and then put my face down close to him to say hello and he definitely grinned . Not sure if this is too early (he's 5 wks on Monday) but it made me feel pretty good!

I haven't introduced any bottles yet as feel I'm coping at the moment with night feeds as DH gives me a break in the evening. I've suffered with bouts of insomnia in the past, so maybe it just feels normal to be awake and pacing the floor at 3am At some point I want to introduce bottle of EBM so that I can go and get haircut etc by myself, but can't be faffed with expressing at the mo. I'm also happy about feeding when out and about, but so far have done it in v sympathetic company (NCT friends etc). Also, part of me feels that it's working for us at the mo, and don't want to rock the boat.

gotta go - squawkings started xx

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agalch · 02/09/2006 07:16

Morning girls

We arer up early here as Eilidh slept well last night.Went down from 9pm till 3am then back down at 4am till 6.30am.Took ages to resettle her as she had a nightmare nappy.It was everywhere and babygro and vest had to come off as well.

Just waiting for dd1 to emerge from her room and then the fun will begin.Her speech was awful until just a wee while ago and now my head thumps after a couple of hours cos she never stops talking.

Eilidh really likes her bouncy chair now,its a fisher price kick & play.She looks at the flashy lights and smiles at them.The other thing she loves atm is me leaving her nappy off after a nappy change and kicking her legs.I didnt think she was old enough to enjoy that but glad she is.Gives me some time to load the machine etc.

Have a good day all

xx

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janenevie · 02/09/2006 11:16

HI all
Not posted for a while! Hope everyone is OK, however from reading your posts sounds like some of you are suffering......hope it gets better soon
Superblue: Infant Gaviscon is presciption only but my dr prescribed it not prob and Evie was still gaining weight!
Evie still much the same feeding often and sleeping for short periods!! Really thought it would nave got better by now, shes 11 weeks today!
Saw HV at clinic last week and ended up in tears when she asked me how I was shes visiting me at home next week! Went to Brum yesterday and it was a complete disaster everything wnet wrong! Ended up back at home hours later then expected thanks to blocked Mway with my and my DD practically in tears! Ho hum, hope it gets better soon!!!
Jane

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superblue · 02/09/2006 12:10

Janenevie - thanks for the advice. Did infant gaviscon work for you? I am going to take Ds to GP on Monday and hope that he is easy to persuade.

What a day?? I don't know what the weather is like where you all are but it is atrocious here (it usually is 'up north'!) - blowing a gale and absolutely chucking it down. Which means me, DH and DS are stuck in all day - with DH in a sulk cos his cricket game has been cancelled.

DS still sleeping fantastically - it has been weeks since he has woken up before 5 so we are getting a good 7 hours sleep a night. However, DS has dark circles round his eyes so I am not sure he is getting enough sleep as he doesn't sleep much during the day.

kbaby · 02/09/2006 12:57

Glad things are going well for some.

We had yet another bad night. ds fed at 8, bottle at 12 and then awake until 2.45, I fed again at 3 but still didnt really settle and then he was wide awake at 6.
Hes no longer going straight to sleep after feeding and as soon as I put him down hes waking up and is crying or restless.

The days seem to be much the same every time I try to put him down he wakes up. Weve tried 4 times today already even swaddling doesnt work. Im at the end of patience as im just so fed up with him. I could cope with the days if he was good at night. Were off to have cranial ostepath today.

usandbump · 02/09/2006 13:27

Hope it helps kbaby, its so hard isn't it? Don't forget they say it usually takes a couple of appointments to take effect.

Fingers crossed after my awful couple of days Zack has settled down a bit more. He has been easier during the day still catnapping but it seems to have been enough and he has been sleeping for 5 hrs solid before waking for a feed during the night. I really hope it continues because I was at the end of my tether. Offering a FF early evening and he has been taking 1-2ozs then has a BF before going down. I'm determined to continue with this one FF we have to make the move sometime especially as I'm due back at work in November. Getting him to sleep during the day is tricky I end up taking him for a walk to get him off, I'm glad I had him in the summer!

janenevie I think alot of us feel the same at the mo, hope the HV is supportive and can offer some practical suggestions. I think we just have to ride it out. We all have to stick together

Maewest Zack began smiling at 4 weeks too its great isn't it?

Bloss I hope your DHis ok now and has cheered up!

Hope everyone else is ok, Ilove hearing everyones news and it makes me feel better to know I'm not the only one having a few probs

FirstAtForty · 02/09/2006 15:11

Hi again ladies ? good to read all the recent posts, sounds like we?re all well and truly immersed in babyland following the joys and tribulations of pregnancy-and-birthland!

Just a quick catch up post as I?m back online at long last ? hurrah! [rant alert]? Sorry for the long silence, my Orange broadband (formerly Wanadoo) line has been down since 1 AUGUST due to a ?speed upgrade? (ha). After many painful and stressful hours on the phone to ?customer services? I?ve closed our account ? so now it will take a mere 3 weeks to disconnect from them and re-connect to another supplier ? aaaaargh! Have managed to set up a dial-up service in the meantime with someone else, so have a connection to the outside world today, thank the lord.

Emma?s 7 weeks tomorrow and doing well, still not terribly big (6 lbs 8 when born, was 9lbs 5 when weighed a week ago) but very pretty (well I think so anyway, of course)!

Am BF which is generally going okay, except that she is v greedy ? will root and feed anytime, anywhere, and scream if she is denied for more than a millisecond. Big sympathy with those of you exhausted with feeding ? during the day it can be a constant and literally draining round of feeding, trying to settle her, crying then more feeding as it's the only thing that keeps her quiet. Feeds have to be at least every 2 hours during the day unless she?s having a (rare) long nap. My mother and MIL spent many patient hours attempting to wind her, convinced that the grizzling was down to ?a pain in her tummy? but the only thing that ever really works is more milk.

Have tried expressing twice when I was out for a few hours. The first try was a bit of a disaster as my mother managed to partially unscrew the teat from the bottle when taking the cap off, so the painstakingly expressed (and fairly miniscule) portion of milk poured all down Emma?s front. (DP managed the second expressed feed a couple of weeks later without incident though, hurrah.) Am using Avent anti colic bottles which she accepted without question, probably due to the greediness.

Almost without exception she?s very lively during the evening though, and it?s quite spooky how often she cries the second that dinner gets put on the table, and I end up covering her with a napkin while simultaneously BF and eating over the top of her. Probably not what they advise in the baby books.

We?ve been lucky with her at night though ? she usually wakes up about 4 for a feed, then sleeps until anytime between 6-9am. No doubt she?ll spend the tonight screaming now I?ve put this in writing.

I have noticed though that there does seem to be a relationship between how much she has fed and been awake during the evening (from 6pm to midnight) and how long and well she sleeps at night. If she sleeps a lot between 6 and midnight she tends to be more wakeful during the night, so I try and feed at about 6.30, 8.30 and 10pm (waking her up if necessary), then give her another feed when I get into bed at 11ish to knock her out. Not ideal in terms of a peaceful evening but hoping she?ll start to sleep for longer periods at some point.

Sorry ? this has turned into a very long post, so will stop now! Great to be back in the civilised environs of mumsnet

PS sympathy HC re sick on the carpet. Heard the dog throwing up in another room yesterday while immobilised by BF ? hoped that the sound was coming from the kitchen (tiled) rather than dining room (carpeted) but no?

madness · 02/09/2006 16:51

firstatforty: ha-ha about bf during diner. I have been worried about whether people think I have started giving dd solids already, considering the ketchup and peas stains on her clothes...

kbaby, dd is the same, as sson as I try to put her down she wakes up, but have become pretty good in getting food for dd1/ds, getting them dressed, eating myself etc etc with 1 hand only...

dd is nearly 6 weeks and she has also started giving n me a few smiles, unfortunately they were at 6am, when I wasn't really in a smiling mood...

Wallace · 02/09/2006 17:11

Had to LOL firstatforty about the BF during dinner - I'm on my third child now and don't even bother with the napkin

nixnoo · 02/09/2006 17:33

he he, I also use a napkin over the baby whilst feeding (him and me!).. lots of lovely white sleep suits with odd stains down the side!

Kayzed, he was a little over 6 lbs when born, and has been gaining weight nicely - but not too much at all. I honestly think it has something to do with me not producing a lot of milk, so his stomach has not grown much, hence needing to eat often??? We managed to stretch the gaps between feeds to 3 hours last night.. I know it is a 50% improvement but I am still frazzled! Hope it keeps getting better.

Do any of you have proper routines?
I have been reading the "how to enjoy the first year" book by rachael Waddilove. It promotes a flexible routine, but it seems nigh on impossible to me! I don't mind some routine - making sure he naps at least twice, and keeping bathtime around the same time each day - but I don't like being rigid about the day's events cos no 2 days are the same?
Hope I am not being too soft!

He is nearly 9 weeks now, where does the time go?

Having a beer and watching TV, whilst Sefton and DH nap. I know I should take the time to nap too, but it is so nice to have a bit of me time...

x

FirstAtForty · 02/09/2006 18:24

Relieved that it's not just me with the napkin then (lol Wallace at not even bothering with the napkin any more, and Madness and Nixnoo at the solids stains - it will be curry stains on Emma's white sleepsuit tonight!)
Am with you on relaxing with a drink nixnoo - have cracked open the cava and am watching the football, websurfing and looking forward to X Factor - bliss!
xx

superblue · 02/09/2006 19:15

Hi

Am also with you on the relaxing with some lovely wine - unfortunately Dh is a Star Wars addict so guess what we are watching on Sky movies tonight?? Have to say it is an improvement on the old war films he usually subjects me too.

Hope you all have a nice night and we all get plenty of sleep!

XX

madness · 02/09/2006 19:15

no routine here either, bath is whenever I think of it, or when dd1 or ds are so dirty they need a bath, then dd2 will have a quick dip is well. As for sleeping, dd2 is on my lap for most of the time dosing, sucking, crying, snoosing etc etc etc

OK, let's all hope for a quite night.....