December 2012: and now the babies have mischief in their eyes.

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Oliver doesn't seem to nap during the day though, maybe that's why he sleeps all night? He tends to have about half an hour at 12ish then thats it x

I have a happy little man this morning - daddy was walking through the front door when we got up. DH has just spent a week in New York and we've both missed him lots. They're now both having a nap.

Stacks did you try the cc last night? How did it go?

Utopian we have also just been leaving a hall light on and the door ajar. I did fall in love with a porcelain rabbit night light, but it was nearly £70

Good luck to those of you trying to lose weight. DH is currently attempting the 5:2 diet, although I dare say that he may not have stuck to in the US this week . I'm still a couple of kilos off my pre-baby weight, so really need to put some effort into getting that off. DH insists it's all the milk I'm carrying round, but that would mean I'm storing about 2 litres!!!

mama wow for 6-9!!! That's amazing- not even my 2 yr old will sleep that long. Think dd is going to be same as ds & be an early riser. I however am not a morning person!

fod rubbish to have period but guessing in one way a good thing as means you're probably ovulating again and seem to remember you wanted to start trying for no 2?

I got mine a few weeks ago fod. Boo!

Just got some bras delivered and I'm spilling out of them. Will have to go for expensive ones not eBay

No bravissimo here unfortunately.

Pidj hope mr pidj's interview went well

I don't get to sleep in till 9 though haha my 7yo DS has me up at 5.30-6 every morning. He also wakes a few times in the night due to his ADHD, but generally sends himself back off to sleep x

What's this 5:2 diet? I keep hearing people talk about it but have no idea what it is lol. Trying to find a diet myself that hopefully works. I've tried all kinds with no luck :( x

Dd just told the lady at the door that my bras are too small

Hi everyone. Well I went on my first night out since DS was born last night. It was lovely to chat and drink and giggle. And when I got home I found out he had slept the whole time :) so I was very happy.

Then this morning DH and DS came to watch me do my parkrun and I got a sub-30 minute personal best so I'm very happy with that too.

Also my dad appears to be being a lot more reasonable with regards to the house. So me and DH may have a house soon. :) I'm merrily spending hours time on Pinterest!

I hope babies are sleeping better, especially for you stacks I hope the CC works.

fod I'm currently on 2nd af since being pg - big boo - but explains my grumpiness!

3boys you eat normally for 5 days and 'fast' (500 cals) for 2 non consequitive days. Somewhere there's a big ole thread about it. DH does it with quite good results and I started yesterday. Feel really positive about as aside from the weight loss it has positive health benefits such as lowering cholesterol etc. I know I couldn't stick to an everyday diet so fx for this one.

I'll have to try that one then and see if it works for me

CC seems to have worked wonders. I put DS down last night and he was asleep within 15 minutes, and only really cried for a minute or two. Grumbled for a while before sleeping, and woke 6 times through the night. However though he woke me through the monitor he settled himself with just a little grumbling each time. I actually spent a whole night in bed. Next step is to spend a whole night sleeping then DH has some plans for not sleeping, poor man has been neglected for months.

Utopian - aww, poor tyke! We have an ikea alien night light. They're cute and come in two colour ways - red, purple and pinkish, or light blue, dark blue and green - they can be set to one colour or cycle between them. I use it for a feeding/changing light in the night at times for DS.

Nutella - DS ate sand at baby peep the other day. I was watching close trying to stop him but got distracted so he got a handful in - I thought "that'll teach him" and waited for the grimace and spitting... Instead he went back for more!!

FoD - sorry to hear about AF starting. Hope it's not too bad for you. I'm dreading mine returning, it's just so convenient not thinking about it.

Mama - I can't believe your DS doesn't get up till 9! Wow. Shame big kids get you up anyway though. My DS (born on Christmas Day) found his willy a couple of weeks ago. He seems to pull it so hard I'm afraid he'll pull it off! DH assures me they're tougher than they look. :)

Equimum - woo for your DH being home. I'm not sure I could manage without mine for a full week. There is a fair amount of weight in breasts and milk I think, has your bra size changed much? I've gone from a B/C cup to a GG! I wouldn't worry about a couple of kg unless you're feeling unhappy with how you look. Feeling healthy is what matters.

Spotty - good luck finding some bras that fit but aren't too expensive or ugly. The bravissimo ones I've got DH really doesn't like. They're supportive though, which is good I guess. Got to love your DD, it's funny the things they chose to share :)

IsThat - glad you enjoyed your night out. I've not had one yet, or even a break of more than 2 hours. I've been invited to a Christmas do on he 7th dec though that I think I'll go to. after DS slept last night and didn't need feeding. Super well done on your running, I've been thinking about starting running a bit. Just now I'm just walking loads, generally at least 2 hours for DS to nap, I manage about 10 miles or so I think. Also, awesome news about the house, that must be so exciting! I've been day dreaming about new houses recently.

Stacks I'm so pleased for you fingers crossed things keep improving

Oh, tonight DS went down with less than a minute of crying, and maybe 2 minutes of grumbling. He sounds heartbroken when I put him down and walk out the door, but he stops crying so quickly I think he must be ok? I hate the thought that he's just not crying because he feels abandoned and unloved and like there's no point :( I think that's just irrational fear and guilt though it is right? I'm not a terrible mum?.

Stacks I did the CC thing with Oliver but from early on. It's tough for the first few nights but it gets easier. Oliver doesn't cry at all now when I put him in his cot. I tuck him in, read him a story, kiss him goodnight then leave his mobile and nightlight on and come downstairs and he settles himself x

This boy doesn't learn. He tried climbing over the arm of the sofa to reach the remotes, and slipped. Luckily I had hold of the end of his sleeping bag so he was shocked but not hurt.

Quick feed to settle him and he's off again. Madness.

I'm shattered. We went to the kite festival in Bristol this afternoon. Really good, but lots of walking. A loved it, and was really excited the whole time. First back carry in the boba helped!

DD has been saying for ages that she wants a kite so I got DH her a nice stunt one and a smaller, more age appropriate butterfly one.

A is really likes the Peppa Pig balloon DH bought for DD. Not the balloon itself, but the string and the rings it's weighed down with.

Great news stacks. You are most definitely not a terrible mum. As long as you give them lots of love and attention at other times, and you went back in to reassure him when he needed it, he'll be fine. Celebrate that he's learnt a new skill and you just might get some sleep (followed by some action!).

Oh we swapped rooms yesterday so dd and ds are in together now was fine though they both woke usual time with dd running into us and ds having a little chat!

I have a question for the cc-ers. I've tried it with DS but he honestly just breaks his heart crying. I leave him for a couple of minutes to start with and then when I go back in he's stood up reaching for me sobbing. He won't settle at all without being picked up and starts again claws and hangs onto me as soon as I put him down. If I stay in the room, sat next to the cot to do it he just cries and cries reaching through the bars at me.

I just don't see it working for us. Do you think he's just not ready? Or am I doing it wrong? I can't bear how upset he is. I can get him to self settle in my bed in minutes with a bit of mild whinging then transfer him no trouble, he'll then sleep at least 8 hours so other than the fact that some nights it's up to 2h to get him to want to settle himself we are getting enough sleep.

I don't know what to do! Am I being too soft? Do I wait and sort it after holiday?

willyou it is tough. How long have you tried sitting by his cot for? If you don't feel like it needs doing, my advice would be don't do it. You need to really want to do it to harden your heart enough. You could try sitting in his room cuddling him til he's sleepy then putting him down and trying to keep him there for a bit. If he gets too upset pick him up and cuddle again etc. that approach would take longer but would be gentler. I did it that way with dd2 but she was quite a bit older.

WillYou do what you feel comfortable with. I always fed ds to sleep and he just naturally stopped falling asleep when feeding and went down fine. That was after I'd sorted day time naps though. There was a bit if cc then it's easier to deal with in the day though

I've tried sitting there for 1.5h in the end WL, he was just really really upset. He sleeps well in the day, but again only in our bed not in his cot.

I think I'll leave it a while and wait until I'm at the end of my tether. Maybe I'll start with daytime naps then Spotty.

will you if it feels like it's not worth the pain for both of you then don't. The HV tried to tell us to do it and it broke my heart. We still feed to sleep but recently he is feeding a bit to be sleepy then falling asleep on his own, either being cuddled or in the cot with me talking quietly to him. Frankly I decided I don't mind the half hour it takes if I know he's happy (and dh tidies the kitchen while I settle him.) I think what WL says is right - you need to need to do it,so there's nothing wrong with things as they are if you're okay.

fod bummer for AF but if you"re hoping to start again then ultimately good? We're going to start soonish but I'm still on the mini pill - would love to manage no periods for three years!

Equimum found these on eBay - are they your porcelain rabbit? Half price! pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261273807470

is that great news on the houslike it's not worth the pain for both of you then don't. The HV tried to tell us to do it and it broke my heart. We still feed to sleep but recently he is feeding a bit to be sleepy then falling asleep on his own, either being cuddled or in the cot with me talking quietly to him. Frankly I decided I don't mind the half hour it takes if I know he's happy (and dh tidies the kitchen while I settle him.) I think what WL says is right - you need to need to do it,so there's nothing wrong with things as they are if you're okay.

fod bummer for AF but if you"re hoping to start again then ultimately good? We're going to start soonish but I'm still on the mini pill - would love to manage no periods for three years!

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Equimum found these on eBay - are they your porcelain rabbit? Half price! pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261273807470

is that great news on the hous

Argh!! Ruddy cheap awful stand in phone!

is that great news on the house. I've finished drawing up our planning application; just need to actually complete the sale now...

Willyou I'd just leave it for a bit, its really not worth it if its just stressing you both out. Maybe try again in a few weeks?

With DS1 (who was a nightmare sleeper!) I did the CC at about 12 months. I still had his cot in my room so started off by lying on my bed and pretending to go to sleep and he eventually dropped off too. Then I started sitting up on my bed reading a few nights later, then quietly pottering about and popping in and out of the room, then sat on the landing outside the room, and just carried on like that until I was eventually downstairs and he was self settling. Took a while but we got there in the end.

I think it's just a case of trial and error to figure what works best for you and your baby x