November 2012 - The weaning adventure continues

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1772925-November-2012-Adventurous-eaters-food-refusers-and-everything-in-between

Somebody on my fb feed is moaning that her 12 week old still doesn't sleep through Friends have commented saying how annoying it is that they are still up once, maybe twice a night with their 5 week olds

I don't condone violence chasing but sometimes I want to slap those people. 6 months! Nearly 7! And they think 5 weeks is bad? Pah, nothing compared to us 'ard nuts

Pass you are a braver woman than I. We still have to rock F to sleep, but when she is overtired hysterical, she too goes purple. I have to pin her to me so she literally cannot move (akin to swaddling I suppose) and rock fast whilst she calms down. Is it wrong that I am hoping the childminder manages to find a way!?

Nappy change. WIll catch up soon.

She has decided to feed her 'jar food' as she is obviously super hungry.

lily you have been through so much. Grief is a horrendous thing and I'm sure you do not just get over the loss of a partner. Maybe you learn to cope but never just get on with it. Take time to talk about how you're feeling. We are here.

pass I'm afraid I cannot advise on naps or anything sleep related in fact. J barely naps, a 13 minute nap was taken a few days ago! Twenty minutes is good for for him!

Well today is Monday and we have our paeds appointment today. Not til 2pm but I am really hoping for some help or advice or a bloody karaoke cure sourced from ukrainian unicorns blood or something! Argh!

Those with refluxy babies, silent or otherwise, do any of you have a reflux wedge? I was looking online and seems a 15 degree wedge helps? We do have books under the cot but the advice online implies this probably won't help as the height if the bed would need to be fifteen inches to get an angle of 15 degrees! It was all mathematical and does seem to make sense. Wondering if it'd be a worthwhile purchase?

Izzy if I find a Ukrainian unicorn I will send it to you!

Pass I have no advice as I have a fantastic night sleeper who thinks daytime naps are for the weak. We have to fight and fight whilst he gets hysterically tired

chasing I don't mean to be blunt but those people are morons. And I say this as the mum of a baby who did sleep through from very early. It is just they way the babies are and so young is certainly not the norm. The way society behaves though you would think that all babies sleep 12 hours from birth and if yours doesn't then they are broken. I love a bit of pant hoiking personally!

BP does F do the frantic back arching, pushing away from you, leg kicking? It honestly looks like she is in pain but I know that it is tiredness and frustration and 'do not want!' I ended up blubbing this morning as it went on and on and my parents are due to visit! I can't get on with anything or relax at all because I am always having to go in. I wanted to stop rocking her to sleep before I go back to work so the childminder doesn't have to but I was hoping to have a but longer to work on a strategy!

Previous post was meant to say miracle cure not karaoke cure!

Oh and any advice on what to say to consultant today? I'm worried we will be fobbed off!

No wedge izzy. When p was in a Moses basket we had the basket raised with a shoe box. Now she is in the cot I have put two pillows under the mattress - one very firm, thick one at the top then another thinner one next so it makes a steady incline rather than folding or bending the mattress. It is important that the baby is inclined fully and not bent as this can put pressure on their guts.

Have you kept a diary izzy? Try to go through the whole thing from the beginning.

Sleeping
Eating
Any observations re changes in behaviour after anything specific in your diet
Any other behaviour - Hiccuping? Vomiting? Back arching when eating? Changes in stools?

Don't let yourself be rushed and don't apologise for drawing your own conclusions. Just speak confidently and don't be afraid to ask for time to pull your thoughts together or ask for something to be explained if you don't understand.

You are a bright woman who works in the NHS - m comment makes it sound like you are a child. Sorry! I have been there and only now feel confident dealing with these appointments. One thing that used to throw me was when I would be asked about a 'key symptom' that P doesn't have -
For example blood in the stools. I used to get anxious as I knew why they were asking and I worried that the fact I was saying no meant that they would dismiss everything else. If this happens I have learned to respond confidently and not worry too much about conclusions.

Good luck!

Yes izzy - what pass has said! We also use pillows, but definitely not as high as 15 degrees. She sleeps on her right hand side though, which also helps reflux, I believe.

Pass yes to all of those things. I have learnt to turn a blind eye to it, but this is one of the reasons dh hates putting her down for naps, because he feels like it is him hurting her, rather than her getting mightily pissed off because she's tired. After a few minutes of holding her so she can't move (in a friendly way - sounds hideous written down) she goes limp and the eyes roll. That sounds really bad but it's not! She sleeps then and wakes up again I promise!

Lily you are remarkable for coping with the past year. But don't feel bad for venting on here - we are all guilty of that!

Erm....I can't remember what I was going to say now.

to all who need them.

Madam don't blame you for co-sleeping. God knows what will happen when I go back to work.

GP appointment today, as Fs dribble rash on her chest wall has taken a nasty turn over the weekend. It's red, inflamed and the skin on top is peeling off. She's itching it all the time and drawing blood now.

Oh yes, GT - I feel for you. Nothing sensible to suggest tbh, I just hope 'd'h can see sense before he does irreversible damage to himself and your family. I have looked after too many patients with chronic liver problems who have regretted their actions. Sadly it is only with hindsight that they have been able to see how silly they were at the time.

Izzy don't forget to mention the reflux noises, his comfort feeding, your observations on how he's reacted to dairy in your diet and his; his oral aversion to solids and how he's happiest during the day as he's upright. Oh and reiterate he isn't your first baby - you're not expecting him to sleep 12 hours a night but sleep measured in minutes not hours is crackers and exhausting you. Good luck - remember quietly confident and calmly assertive (ignore the fact it took me tears to get omeperazole!). Seriously though we've found the paed to be MUCH more helpful than GPs.

Chasing if I had read that my judgy pants would be hoiked so high I would be wearing them as earrings!!! 12 weeks! Fecktards!

Lily grief is such a slow burn weird weird process, it pops up on obvious anniversaries but also when least expected over the littlest prompting - over stuff you'd forgotten and half buried reminiscences. There's no rush just take it a day at a time. It's horrible how folks expect life to be back to normal just months after a death - they can't understand that normal has been irrevocably changed

BigPig it is likely, and will irk you greatly, that the childminder will have no trouble at all with naptime. Ime babies behave really well for other people and save all the worst for their mummies and daddies.

Pass not much clue as we're having major sleep issues here as well but it could be that it's too hard to sleep for babies in that 'almost mobile' state. Maybe once they get to the point where they can manoeuvre more easily then sleep becomes less of a problem.

Lily it's a shame some people don't seem to understand that you can be coping with being a single parent and still grieving at the same time. In time it will get easier in that you will be able to share the day with O and both spend time thinking of him. I'm sure she will love to see pictures of her daddy and hear about him from you. I know it's not the same but I never knew my granddad as he lived in Guyana until he died when I was 17 and I never had the chance to meet him. So the photos my mum has and the stories she tells of her childhood are all the more precious to me as that's the only way I'll ever know him.

Pass Jonas does all of that when overtired. Its horrible isn't it. If he won't sleep in the cot I tend to fight him into the pushchair and go for a walk. BF him into unconsciousness still works 50% of the time but I know I'm going to have to figure other ways too

GT he sounds like he really is a problem drinker who is drinking himself towards an early grave - what makes him drink - boredom, addiction, sadness?

Who has LO when you're at work? Please don't say DH!!!!

Oh and sorry if this sounds cheeky but please get yourself on the implant asap when baby 2 arrives - your DH doesn't sound capable of being a Daddy to 3 such young babies - he's not really doing a stellar job of being a Daddy to one I know you really want a girl but imagine him pissed, you exhausted and you trying to deal with 3 under 3 babies !

Those nigella photos were really upsetting, it must have been going on for a while for it to happen in public.

gt that all sounds really rough. Your DH needs a bit of a reality check, I am pleased though that you now have some of the family on side. Xx

mm we had garlic mushrooms, patatas bravas with aioli,some calamari with chorizo, olives with feta (ok Greek I know) then I got some flatbreads and homous and the Tesco Simples Garnache which I think is quite nice for a cheaper wine. It was lovely. There is an m&s little book which is good and the mushroom and potatoes are easy but I bought the calamari. I love nibbles. We had a lovely evening.

Why did no one tell me how dirty my house is and why LO is suddenly scared of the Hoover?

BigPig my grandma had ten under ten!

pikz S is all of a sudden scared of it too, I must admit though, it's quite funny watching her face when I put it on, she goes all rigid and starts yelping, especially when it goes by her. I don't put it by her more than necessary for my own amusement honest [bad mummy emoticon]

Sorry for not posting, I've had the runs all day yesterday,
Will post later,
Evil

10 under 10!?!? stunt that's just madness! Although dp's mum had 7 under 10 and I thought that was bad enough!

Fruit I will admit to doing the same only to see if he touched it it would make him less scared!

DH has given F a hoover phobia by accidentally hoovering up the hem of her dress, whilst she was in it. She physically shakes now when it gets switched on.

10 under 10?

pass you'll be fine, just be assertive. I always say "I can't go on like this!" It usually works.
lilly you are awesome.
det and big hope you get sleep too.
luis glad you got some, and a nice meal too.

To any one I've missed

Yesterday was crap, I had the runs, and P was an arse too. [Angry] N went to his MIL so that I could sleep, I got woken up at 2 ish cause N would stop crying. His nappy was very full! Poor lad he has a nice red bum cause of it and this from a woman who had 3 kids?! [Confused]I'm feeling better today, but still not 100%. I've managed to keep down some tea and rusk.

I had to cancel N first settling in session,
Evil