November 2012 - The weaning adventure continues

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1772925-November-2012-Adventurous-eaters-food-refusers-and-everything-in-between

[PetiteRaleuse]

Thanks also to vq

We both want the same result it's just we can't agree on how to get there. I'm not making excuses but when he comes home from work he is knackered and stressed and wants the easy life.

Ok, after the guests have gone this weekend I will turn the spare room into a temporary bedroom for LO, then will work on getting dd1 into her own bed. Will be able to move everything round the following weekend so can start only at the end of next week.

But it has to be done. I don't want DD1 to be kicked out of our bed at the same time as being put into full time nursery. I am conerned that two such huge changes would be too much.

I will write out an action plan, all professional like, putting it into coaching terms for DH. He might be able to stick to it if it looks like something professional.

I may even laminate it :o

[BigPigLittlePig]

at laminating PR.

What about a flipchart, with lots of arrows in marker pen and motivational chat?

[StuntNun]

Go Detective's O as well. Hooray for good sleeping babies!

VQ I'm doing the primal diet (no grains, processed food, or sugar but you are allowed dairy) which isn't ultra low-carb like Atkins, basically you cut your carb intake to about a quarter of normal but it all has to come from healthy sources since no sugar is allowed. I have researched it and I'm doing a 'light' version that's suitable for breastfeeding. I'm also taking vitamins and cod liver oil (Pregnacare Breastfeeding) to make sure my own nutrition doesn't suffer. I've lost 6.5 lb so far, so nearly half way to my pre-pregnancy weight (this baby anyway, it's a looong way back to my pre-DS1 weight!) The first three days were a bit tough but it's amazing how quickly the sugar cravings go, I was eating chocolate several times daily before and now I don't even miss it. I do have an emergency bar of 100% cocoa single estate chocolate from Hotel Chocolat but that doesn't have any sugar and it's so bitter you have to be desperate for chocolate before tou eat it and even then I can only manage about 10g.

[YellowWellies]

PR I agree with VQ the way DD1 sleeps and eats will already make her feel she's the boss - evicting you from your own marital bed is a step too far. Rapid return would be what we'd do if (when, no doubt, when) we're in the same boat. Move your PC into the lounge for a while and create a temporary baby bedroom?

Stunt once you remove an allergen from their diet they do tend to react to traces - so I'd cut entirely. I too thought low carb diets lead to a crash in your milk supply so that might be making him more fussy too?

Well my singing mogwai was put back in his cot, still singing, lamp out and left to it. We woke at 8.40 - so not bad he must have self settled. He's clearly still reacting a wee bit to soy but not in pain. So I'm going to chance the occasional Chinese but not eat soy regularly just yet.

[YellowWellies]

Stunt cross post - that diet sounds fab, though as an archaeologist by first degree am amused it allows dairy - given that was the last secondary agricultural product to be introduced to the human diet (long, long, loooooong after grain based carbs) and is certainly not a primal foodstuff!

[PetiteRaleuse]

Decided to cook healthy fishcakes yesterday. You basically bake them instead of frying them, and make the mash part without butter. Won't be doing that again. Sausage pasta and cheese gratin tonight to make up for the cardboard/sawdust combo that was last night's dinner. Tasted fine but literally needed to wash it down with water else was so dry was unswallowable.

Flipchart a good idea pig

Shall I go the whole hog and rename the children Project Alpha and Project Beta? And refer to me and DH as the stakeholders?

[MadamGazelleIsMyMum]

I am a huge fan of a written plan.

[Passmethecrisps]

mm can advise you on lamination. She luffs it. I think professionalising the plan is a good one - and I don't think you are making excuses re him being tired. I made the big changes to P's sleep (her own room, no swaddled as no dream feed) all in the week DH was away. Not because he wouldn't be supportive but because a) I wanted to focus 100% on the task in hand and not worry about not spending time with DH and b) because I felt bad that he works all day and didn't want his nights disturbed. I didn't tell him this and he would probably be a bit at me for it but that is how I felt.

Anyone fancy a loan of P for a few hours? Just a couple. I am being driven bloody demented by her whingeing because she can't crawl. Every day I think 'she'll master it today - she is so close' and still nothing. It pisses her off something rotten but she can't help herself. It goes like this:

I plonk her on the floor sitting with a fun toy.
She sits there quite happily nomming playing with fun toy.
I decide she seems happy so think I'll get on with a job in the kitchen
5 minutes later the wailing starts
Mweh. Mweh. Mweeeeeeeh. Mwaaahweeeeeeeh!
I go in and there she is on all fours.
All fours. Rock. Rock. Rock. Bunny hop. Face plant. Back up. Rock. Rock. Up on toes. Fall over. Back up. Head on floor.

Over and over and over again. All accompanied by this wail. I have also learned her "holy fuck! I'm stuck! I'mstuckI'mstuckI'mstuckI'mstuck" This is usually when she has reversed under a piece of furniture and can't get any further.

The girl just cannot sit still. I put her in her jumperoo earlier. Great for 5 minutes then she starts whingeing. So I lift her out but she starts making grabbies for the chuffing parrot. So in the end I park myself on the chair right next to the jumperoo while she lies stretched out on me rocking the whole jumperoo back and forward with her feet.

Anyhoo. I persuaded her to take another nap rocked her into submission so I am getting some peace now.

[StuntNun]

It's a laughable name YW since it allows dairy and specifies huge quantities of butter and eggs. It also prohibits grains and tubers which I'm pretty sure our primitive ancestors would have eaten, admittedly in smaller quantities, but they would have been masters of finding edible food in their environment. I actually got into the idea because I was having severe sugar cravings and getting insane grumpy when I hadn't eaten for a while, but the weight loss is a big bonus.

[Passmethecrisps]

Haha! Cross-posted and missed project alpha and project beta. Brilliant. Time for some blue-sky thinking, cherry picking and three cornered hat wearing

[BigPigLittlePig]

I knew what else I meant to say. Izzy - may be teaching grandma to suck eggs etc, but I was thinking about bottle refusing in the dead of night last night. Have you tried heating the milk to body temperature (check it with a thermometer - feels hotter than you would expect), plus, make sure the teat is warmed (apparently nipples are warmer than surrounding flesh to aid the rooting reflex). I remember Fs bottle refusing days, and although I'm not sure she would ever have gone as long as J has (never tried to be fair), I remember the stress and worry of it well.

[ValiumQueen]

Stunt that diet sounds quite nice actually

PR how about a reward chart for DH?

[PetiteRaleuse]

How do you mean vq ? He sticks to the plan for two days and gets a bj?

Four days gets a shag?

Six days gets, oh, I'll stop there.

:o

I like written plans and lists very much. I have just been wary of writing things down in a structured way re the kids precisely because I don't want to look on them as a project. But maybe I need to turn my professional me to my private life after all. Watch out house. And pets. And DH. And kids. :)

Right, Going forward I'll touch base with DH at close of business daily and we'll compare notes and see if the children have met their objectives, and check the objectives are still SMART.

Agh. I can't even pretend to do business speak I drive my colleagues mad at my refusal to join in and my tendancy to take the piss.

[FatimaLovesBread]

Yay to both O's for good sleeping.
Boo to the bad sleepers and ill babies.

M woke up again at 7 but I was too tired, she normally plays in her cot for a bit then falls back asleep. No chance today. Ended up bringing her into bed, fed her and we both fell asleep. She didn't wake me til 10:15am
I need to get out of the late to bed, late up cycle. So from tomorrow I'm getting up when DH goes to work.

BPLP are you back full time then? M won't take a bottle and I don't really want to mix feed. The HV said she should be fine during the day though. I'll be working 3 days and away from her for 9.5hours. HV said water to drink and lots of milky food. Not sure whether to start expressing to see if she'll take it from a cup or if it's too much of a hassle for the few oz she'll drink.

[ValiumQueen]

I think that is very generous PR, but along the right lines

[StuntNun]

Fatima I fed DS2 like that from six months as he wouldn't take a bottle. Just bf before and after nursery and on demand evening and nighttime. He was eating plenty of yoghurt during the day and drinking water and it worked out fine for three months when he just lost interest in bf so we stopped.

[FatimaLovesBread]

That's good to know stunt thank you. She'll be nearly 9 months when I go back to work so in hoping she'll carry on BF until at least one. She does love yogurt

QQ - can I freeze chunks of mango and kiwi to use later or do I have to purée it?
Also, anyone got a recipe for some mini banana muffins I can make for M?

[PurplePidjin]

(((vq)))

(((pr))) love the plan :o

Minella put up a good fight against Serena but was wiped out in two sets, Djokovich is just starting against Mayer.

R slept 7:30-7:30 with 10 minute feeds at 11:30, 2:30 and a big one (dp tried to settle him (he offered) but R only went back down for 15 minutes so i fed) at 4:30-5. So improvement is there, just wish it would hurry up already!

[FatimaLovesBread]

Omg I think I've just given myself a massive judgey pants wedgie.
I was googling about weaning and yogurts and made the mistake of clicking on a net mums thread about yogurts at 4.5months.
One woman's DC was eating 2 weetabix, half banana and a bottle for breakfast at 6 months so BF would never have been another. She weaned at 10 weeks
Then another weaned at 6 weeks [shovk] and at ten weeks was on 1.5weetabix. I don't think M has that much for breakfast now.

Off to go remove my pants from my armpits
There was no way M would have eaten at 6 or 10 weeks, I'd have had to force feed her

[Passmethecrisps]

My judgy pants are so high I could floss my teeth with them.

My mum says she remembers watching a relative spoon feeding her weeks old baby porridge. She said the porridge was sliced off with the spoons before the spoon rammed in mouth and scraped off. She reckons the baby would be 8 weeks max. P currently eats on average 2 rice cakes, a breadstick and detritus she finds on the floor in a day.

[Passmethecrisps]

Just found the thread. Hell's teeth - 6 weeks!

I find all the comments about conflicting advice irritating. The actual NHS advice is quite clear. If you choose to look elsewhere then it might be that you confuse yourself.

I do sometimes wonder if I had started earlier would p be further ahead than she is now? Or would she be at just the same stage but I would be even more frustrated than I am now.

[PurplePidjin]

R eats 1 weetabix with fruit for breakfast. That's because he gives clear hunger signals if you give him less. Some days he hardly eats any, other days he has some scrambled egg too. No wonder we've got an obesity epidemic going on, force feeding tiny infants

I hoik my judgy pants every time i see "4+ months" on jars of chocolate pudding

[MadamGazelleIsMyMum]

Thanks for the update pidj

I have a nice http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/19459/wholemeal-banana-muffins.aspx recipe fatima - are you and M avoiding anything? It uses vegetable oil and oats and wholemeal flour. I have made it a few times, very nice.

[MadamGazelleIsMyMum]

recipe

[MadamGazelleIsMyMum]

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