November 2012 - Poor sleep-deprived mummies (and daddy)

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1721864-November-2012-GTbaby-is-back-Hooray-hooray

Oh vq poor J, I really hope you get some answers soon!

Well we had an okayish night, 4 wakes but just for her dummy my god do I ever regret giving her one but at least she went straight back to sleep each time, which is an improvement on 2 hours awake time at stupid o'clock in the morning. Up for the day at 6:30.

Morning all. Another 11 hours, but with 15 mins in the middle when he had an oz of water at 3am. I am now worried I am starving him, but the very wise vq once told me a healthy baby will not stay asleep if that hungry, so I am clinging onto that. He drained 8oz at 7 and Is back asleep now :S so also worried he is not healthy and I am thick. But he is very happy through the day usually. I will try to just go with the fact he has dropped an entire feed equating to roughly 10 oz less, and just hope it's ok!

vq poor j and poor you :( hope something is done for him, sounds like last night was rough and it's worse than unfair! Poor fella

det glad he went off eventually

Forgot to say well done to minustunt for the 7.5hrs, was last night good too?

for those needing it and lots of hugs

Least its sweaty fucking Wednesday eh?

I got another two hours he woke at 7:30, then sang to puppy for 15 minutes while i ignored him dozed. Went in to a little smile peeping over the edge of the crib... Time for the cot before he tips it over? It's a swinging crib although it's anchored not free so doesn't swing, but if he can lift his head that far I'm concerned he might overbalance it

Good luck today vq am sure you won't need it as you'll kick butt and get the help J needs. It's so hard watching them in pain and not being able to help.

Sorry also to ally hose who had bad nights. Here's coffee and sleep dust for long naps.
Mx

All those not ally hose!!

Sorry so many had bad nights. Hugs & all round...

Had a fucking awful night here but due to DH not DS. Long story short, I'm pissed off at his apparent selfishness, he was being a typical man trying to come up with "solutions" when all I want is for him to say, "yes, you're right, I do have it easy sometimes, I do get to swan off and do what I want for days at a time". Which isn't straight forward for me, even if I wanted to. So DS woke me at 3.30 & I've been awake ever since :(

VQ good luck & kick butt

wow pidj get R!

training dh to dress G while I shower in the morning - fucking hell how did his mother ever teach him to dress himself??? curdling screams and found the poor mite flopping forward headbutting floor as dh thought he could practice sitting at same time. ffs!

fruit I heartily wish I had as I agree with (can't see on app) that breaking the bf association with sleep is bloody hard.

however day 2 of our 'plan' seems to be getting fruition. twice he slept solidly for 2 and half hours, once for 2 and didn't need a feed for the first 4. it's tricky but a hand on his head and holding his hand seems to be enough to help settle him if we get in early so I'm hoping eventually it'll be less and less. also, I'm going to regularly dose him with this probiotic which helps with the antibiotic poos as he really could be on it for quite some time. it was poo pains waking him at 6, went back to sleep on me only to be woken again. also agree that day time naps are an important part of it all.

I don't feel too sweary yet so will swear on other's behalf: fucking professionals get your act together for vq
bloody weather get better for pr

fucking sleepy dust fucking work for Detective, kirrin, luis, mamapo, and fruit and me.

... and I'm sure it needs to work for some others too.

how is lo today pr?

Morning. I think LO is a little better today thanks. She was up once for a feed of 3oz at 2, then 4 at 7am. So not starving herself.

Oh, forgot it was sweary fucking Wednesday.

Morning all, bad night here too. DH and I we up every hour putting the dummy back in, I can't complain though as she goes straight back off with the dummy, I just feel very tired due to broken sleep.

to all those who have had bad nights.

I'm sorry to hear that J is in pain again vq

We're off to see the holistic dentist today about B's lip tie today

Quick question before I catch up. Is there any reason why O's poos suddenly smell acidic? Should I be worried?

No idea chasing sorry.

Anyone else's baby started shaking her head from side to side as if saying nooooooooo but laughing hysterically while doing it? Wondering if it is just a cool thing to do or a way of relieving ear pain?

Fuck shit bugger balls.

I wrote a massive post and it has disappeared. I hate that.

Anyway.

VQ the time has come for the docs to up their game. You are armed with knowledge and the backing of the dietician. Are you going to call her first? Give his symptoms from way back when and try to give a clear and chronological account of them. If you need to write them down then do that and hand it over. Give some thought about what you want to do - nutramigen with ranitidine? Trial nutramigen first and have a px for ranitidine if it doesn't work? Good luck.

kyz it sounds like E is coping well and is maybe simply adjusting his calories to account for less growth. You know me - I am the worst for worrying about amounts but it oes sound as though E is still taking plenty. The calculation is approx 2.5oz x pounds and oz of baby. Having said that though P should theoretically be taking 31 oz per day but takes between 18 to 24 oz. if you are concerned get him weighed to see if he is tracking his line - if so then follow his lead.

Sympathies clarella. Breaking any sleep association is tough but one which relies on our physical presence is particularly hard.

Glad LO is slowly mending PR. She sounds like she is keeping herself hydrated. It is horrid though.

Snap toomany. Not hourly here. Maybe only two or three times by I was up much more often. Meh.

chasing teething? Swallowing all the dribble the make can cause acid poo.

Thanks pass weigh in is next week on Tuesday so I guess i can see how he's going and if he is still gaining then let him get on with it. He does seem fine but I am a natural worrier like you all didn't know that

Got the rest of the thread to catch up on after a bit of cunting cleaning too!

Thank you to all those who offered their thoughts on swaddling and bottles. Very interesting reading.

As it is P decided for me by stirring at just before 10 so I took the opportunity to feed her then. It was essentially a dream feed which is unusual here. DH likes to get her up and have proper cuddles normally. This is fine as she goes down no problem anyway. She took a good amount of 4oz and woke peckish this morning.

We are off to Edinburgh on the train today so I will see if I can stretch the feeds out to 4 hours (might need to feed onthe train though. Not sure how that will work). Thus missing the 4:30 feed. So if I went for more round about 2:30 then about 6:30 this might make her take more. The problem with P is that she won't eat unless properly hungry - you can't just top her up. So I think the issue with clustering too many bottles in theatre part of the day is the issue. Having said that, if she is hungry then brill she will get fed whenever it is. She surprised me yesterday by beig starving earlier than I was expecting so poor izzy had the honour of crying P cuddles.

OK night here though he's still on two wakings - has been since the four month regression hit town. Bed at 8.30pm then up at 1am and 5am and up for the day at 8am but have been a mean mummy and unlatching him after 10 mins. I thought we might have had a better night as he cluster fed off both barrels for 1.5 hours before bed so tonight am going to unlatch him earlier tonight as it made no difference.

He rocked his new fire engine grobag - thanks Jacob and VQ. I just want to get him back to one or no wakings hmmmm I wonder if DH were to do the 1am waking with cuddles and cooled boiled water if he might decide there was no point in getting up - it seems to be more habit than need. But equally he's not really a demanding little soul and that idea makes me feel mean.

I don't mind about feeding him to sleep as hell its been how we've got babies to sleep for millennia but I'd like just one stretch of 5+ hours. Which I appreciate is v greedy compared to the 20 minute stints we were getting when he was I'll and refluxy last week.

PR great news about LO xxx

PR J has been doing mad head shaking for a fortnight at first I thought earache, then wondered if he was scratching an itch but I think its a game - he seems to find it hilarious strange child

Hello all, sorry for wandering in once in the night to complain and then never again. Not as if I didn't have the opportunity - we were up 5 times in total. And now I'm in a monumentally bad mood so if nobody wants to use their swear quota for the day then I'll happily unleash both arsecunting barrels.

Pidj, good sleep!

VQ, best of luck. Would excessive swearing help?

Pints of whisky coffee to all those with poor sleep.

kyz your swearing always makes me laugh! I don't know why but you always manage to take me by surprise with it.

Swaddling!
I have some ideas.

1. go cold turkey on the swaddling and just accept some sleepless nights
2. wean off swaddle by continuing day naps in the sleeping bag and allowing one arm out until able to move to two.
3. put Moses basket in cot and put P in sleeping bag in that. My theory being she feels a bit lost in the cot. Continue day naps as normal with cot to keep practicing.
4. continue swaddling for the next wee while but pop P in Moses basket in cot. This should reduce the risk of rolling over or me having to rescue P because she has wiggled herself upside down.

I would intend continuing day naps in the cot with sleeping bag. After her initial easy response to this she is now finding it a bit more challenging

I think they shake their head just because they can - there is so much to see, they just want to see it all, and the blurryness is a new experience. If they are visibly upset and bashing an ear it is different. I have just been doing it myself, and it was fun. Now have a sore head. Duh!

Thank you for all the kind words about J. I am just collating a chronology to kick ass with. I will monitor him for another 24 hours, and see the doctor tomorrow at an emergency appt rather than the horror that is baby clinic. I need to be clear and avoid full on emotion otherwise they will think it is me. I also have DD1 to get to the dentist for a likely extraction.

arses. stupid fucking hidden burp destroying lovely nap.

glad lo is a bit better pr

oh I really really hope it goes well toomany jabs were worse imo. with your local nhs.

I think we are very lucky in Newcastle. a friend in London got the referral etc for tt but it was a 2 week waiting list. as a newborn. they went private in the end. the consultant up here literally squeezes you in asap. mind this lactatation consultant who's an lll leader really seems to throw many her way and gets lots of respect from this consultant. I am thankful (early) for her and her fb account and digital pics that can be sent privately and wireless internet.

I think I've missed some peoples posts.

clueless about swaddling but is what I did last night a) ok to do - and b) any help - thin sheet over bottom half of baby tucked firmly under mattress either side pinning flailing legs down ?