November 2012 - losing sleep and losing weight

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Gt - ds has started 4am waking too with the cold. He's not really eating enough in the day to make it through the night plus I think his throat is sore.

Better night though. Less coughing so the propping up worked. Still not eating much. A good 1-3oz down on each feed :( think well be at the dr Monday morning as it'll be a week post jabs and a week of reduced feeds.I know he's eating overnight but that's still about 3oz down on how much he eats normally?

kirrin it could have been a one-off incident. Just like us babies will get acid occassionally. You could exercise preventative measures like raising the cot and keeping LO upright for at least 15 mins after a feed.

Sorry to hear of repeated mastitis -sound awful!

We have a routine for P but she led it - I am not convinced you could enforce a routine on an 8 week old. She started sleeping longer after her bath and feed and then chose herself to drop the 4am feed. I sometimes think that waking her at around 11-12 at night for her meds moved us along into a routine which we wouldn't otherwise have had.

gt not insensitive at all :) just interesting to see how other babies are doing , they are all different ! I'm not convinced that she really needs the 4am feed. I think she wakes out of habit not sure If they can at this age ..... But she literally only feeds for 5 mins then she nods of again. Might just try leaving her in her cot and see if she self settles ?!

pass do u bath your LO everyday? What time do you do it? I know gina ford says at 6pm ......

Also how awake duribg the day is your LOs?! I'm sure mine still sleeps more than she is awake.... Should I make her stay awake ?!

We don't have a routine. Baby led here too. He usually has his last feed between 1030-1130pm then sleeps between 4-6 hours. Then goes back down for 3-4 hours. In the last few days anyway...

Last night he was screaming for a feed at 930 which was early for him. He has fed at 730 already. As I was tired, and dp already asleep on the sofa I decided to bring him upstairs so he would know it was bedtime. Shouldn't of bothered! He knew it wasn't his bedtime! It still took us til almost midnight to totally settle him.

Anyway he slept til 430, which means 7 hours between feeds. Just a shame it didn't have 7 hours of sleep to go with it! Then he slept again til 9.

And I managed sleep with no drugs yay!

J does the same at his 3 a.m. feed Candy. He has proper feeds at 2 and 5 a.m. but the 3 a.m. one only lasts five minutes.

Better night. Feeding every 2 hours rather than hourly like last night, at 10 weeks. Largely waking due to breathing issues. If he woke at 4am only I would think I had won the lottery as I am so very tired.

I do not think you are being insensitive GT but I think you possibly expect a bit too much for your little lad. He really is doing very well. Between now and when he leaves home, your sleep will be disturbed often for a huge variety of reasons. When he has chickenpox for example you will have several sleepless nights. When you have more kids, you will be extremely grateful for the odd night of clear sleeping, and think perhaps you should have stopped at one when running from room to room with sick bowls and medication. Being woken by the sound of a vomiting toddler remains my most significant memory of this. Joys of parenthood!

candy we bath p every day. Our evening 'routine' is a bit like this:

6:15 have bath

6:30 bedtime feed with lower lights and telly off or down (sometimes - depends what we are watching)

7pm settle in Moses basket in sitting room. We move into the kitchen where we have tea. We can still see the Moses basket.

11pm wake P for medicine and final feed.

12pm settle upstairs in Moses basket with us.

This can shift an hour later at bath time but we try to always have her settled by 12ish. It can run to 1am but that depends on what's happening and how much burping p needs.

P then typically wakes at 8am ish and we feed approximately every 2 hours from here.

We are baby led to here. He tends to settle about 11pm and last night it was 3.40/6.40 and then 9am. He is just 6 weeks. Hoping for some longer stretches sometime soon!

Oscar is now back in a deep sleep. I need to get up and get stuff done . But it is so tempting to go back to sleep. No. I am not. I am going to put him down and go and get in the shower for at least 30 minutes

Only problem is his Moses basket is in the way of my wardrobe and there is nowhere else to put it. So I can't get dressed. Or dry hair. Or put make up on. Oh well!

The other question was about how much p sleeps during the day.

I have been tracking sleep and per 24 hours P sleeps between 11 and 13 hours. She is awake now having been awake since 8am. She will be awake until her next feed in about half an hour when she will likely have a wee 20 minutes or so. After lunch she might have 45 minutes to an hour. The vast majority of her sleep now is bedtime sleep. This works fine for us as mostly P is happy enough sitting in her chair watching - she doesn't need held all the time and, in fact, recently she has started wanting put down.

Morning ladies

I wrote a post yesterday afternoon but it's disappeared!!!

Hoping all the poorly babies get better very soon!!!

Is everyone back to normal now?? I'm looking forward to the kids going back to school but not doing the early morning school run :( hope the house will get back to its semi tidy status lol

I had the implant put in Friday night - its a bit tender but not half as bad as I thought it would be.

I met with the first childminder yesterday - she seemed nice enough but I couldn't get a word in edge ways lol

We don't have a daytime routine as sometimes we're out in the morning sometimes in the evening - she feeds when she's hungry, has tummy time/playtime/time in bouncer if she's chatty and we put her down to sleep in travel cot if at home otherwise she sleeps in pram/cars eat. She has put herself in a routine at night - feeding most of the evening we give her 8oz bottle around 9pm she has awake time and then a final bf before we put her in her crib around midnight - she then sleeps through until 8am ish - which is perfect

Today my mission is to get a shower - I can't even attempt it without dh being here lol

I saw your post glenda as you said the CM had a big clean house with lots of toys. We talk such a lot you probably just cannot see it.

I plan to implement GF at 3 months. Poor little bugger does not know what is going to hit him. He was doing well before he got ill. I am trying to treat him, and think of him as a newborn, having started again kinda.

He has almost found his thumb. I think once he is proficient at thumb sucking then he will sleep a lot better.

My aim today is to express three ounces. Might not seem like much, but with my nutter 2yo, that is quite an aim.

The other morning, around 3am, we were woken (I was awake anyway) by my 2yo playing shops - till noises followed by 'da da da come to da tills' over the loud speaker. It was very amusing watching and hearing DH wake and address the situation. He will check her room for noisy toys in future!

Ah that's interesting to know. I might track her sleep from midnight tonight ....also might start bathing her daily to introduce as a bedtime signal . Thanks pass

Hahaha VQ! We've just discovered 10 year old DS took it upon himself to get up at 3am, and go downstairs and watch tv because he 'couldn't sleep'!!! Arghhhh!

God knows what he was watching.

I've just had to drag him out of bed.

He went to bed at 8 last night!!!

Last night was a 'bad night' here and I don't think it was something you could consider that bad, although I don't feel particularly alive and kicking this morning! Bottle at 7, bath and bed by 8, straight asleep. Due last bottle at 11ish, did not want to wake up. Did wake, sort of, wanted an ounce and back asleep. Awake 10 mins later for next ounce. Feed went like that with crying in between until 6 ounces were had and he wouldn't take a drop more. He usually has the full bottle of 8 at night and in the morning when he wakes. Left it at 6, wouldn't force him to drink. He went down straight away at half 12 as was asleep. Awake at 3, but not for food, just whinging and squiggling. Again at 4:30, then 5, then 5:20, then at 6 I thought okay, he's bound to be hungry now so when he started more squiggling I got him up to have infacol and do bottle. Picked him up, he went back to sleep instantly and didn't move until 7, when I woke him. 7 ounces were had but he did not seem hungry if that makes sense. Perfectly alert, not seeming poorly or anything, had a poo, went back to sleep. Is still asleep. Is not wanting to be awake. 10 mins of awake earlier, thought I'd get him dressed but he went back to sleep so I left him :/.

I'm wondering if he was having a growth spurt? Downing 8oz nearly every feed and 7oz before that (he's only recently gone up to 8) as now he seems to be quite happy with 6 again (he is 8+5 today). He is due at 11:15 if you want to be completely accurate with the four hourly thing, but if he wants to sleep I'm not sure I want to wake him. On the other hand it's strange having such a hungry boy not really be fussed about food, and I would like him to sleep tonight which he might not do if he sleeps all day today!

We have a vague routine here but it's generally dependant on what he does. He does have a bath every day as he loves it but it's not at a set time because although he goes four hourly, what he does in the night varies, so he doesn't always stick to the same times and so I can't have a set bath time unless I deliberately feed him early/late to fit around bath time. It was 10, 6, 2, 10, 6 but has been more like 11, 7, 3, 11, 7 recently.

VQ that's brilliant!!! Lesson learned about the noisy toys! I'm going to bear that in mind

Oh dear, Oscar takes so little in comparison to others! Sure his brother was on 6oz by now. He has 5oz offered. He probably takes this once a day. The other feeds are 3-4oz. Until he suddenly dropped 2 feeds he was taking about 28-32 oz a day. Now he is taking about 24-28. We have a lot of waste in this house lol!

He seems happy, he is growing. Will just go with his lead for now!

Oh we don't have a routine either - half nine is approx bedtime but sleepy time can be anything from 9.30-12.30... Usually get 4 hrs sleep then, 1 hr feed and 2 more hrs sleep. Last night though he slept 11-3, then 4-4.30... The rest is a blur.

Sleepy boy this morning - I want to express but he is grizzly and keeps wanting to be fed but dozing off after a few minutes.

Daddy is back at work tomorrow, not looking forward to it.

Think we're on a growth spurt too - the last 24 hours have seen a small boy near constantly (when awake) head banging my boobs, growling at them, trying to twist my nipples off and feeding for hours. He fed from 6pm til 11pm last night - CONSTANTLY! Now he's being medicated for reflux though there is no screaming he's just a bit more cranky. I can really see the difference compared to the 6 week growth spurt when he wasn't on meds.

Evil do you have any thoughts on reflux? I was thinking about you last night. Your wee one has started teething too - this can cause greater stomach acid / reflux episodes. Please consider it before letting him cry it out - my cousin (the first in our family with a refluxer so we were all ignorant) let her LO cry it out with reflux and the acid damaged her daughter's voice box and delayed her talking. Anyway I hope you had a better night - if your days are starting to be affected with screaming it really sounds like it could be as a result of untreated reflux burns. 20% of kids get it

GT mine were the third & fourth babies born (September) on the thread and are 14+1 today. They sleep through (mostly) but certainly didn't at 8 weeks etc. I agree with you.

Like I have mentioned before, we have strict routines in this household. I have no choice with 2 babies.
We follow Gina Ford. The girls get put in their cots, sleepy but awake, at about 6:45pm after a bath and milk and we do a dream feed at 11pm. I keep to very structured naps, which results in structured feeding times. I need to be on the ball with routine if I am to continue childminding in June. 2 of my 6 children are returning so life with 2 9 month olds, a 2.5 year old and a 3 year old will be full on.

Called 111 after another screaming feed and loads of coughing. Took 3oz. Usually has 8. It's been like this for nearly a week now?! He had his jabs last Monday :( anyway their advise was see the dr tomorrow. He's asleep again. I've cried lots. Dh says he thinks it's the cold. It's knocking both of us up so god knows how he feels. When he's awake he's really happy and alert.

LO is 11 weeks now and this week has been sleeping really well bar c oughing. As new year's eve she was awful I'm thinking maybe sleeping through was her new year resolution.

Hope so.

Tiny bit of sun here for the first time in weeks so we're taking the dog and children for a walk. Fresh air will do us all so much good.

Poor wee E horsey. It's so horrible when they are not well.

garden I can imagine just how important a routine is for you with twins.

Oh Horsey that is just awful. It makes your blood run cold. Little G was 14 days old when I had to call an ambulance and I still get tearful now when I think of it.

Their jabs can really knock them. I hope the GP has more advice for you