Post Grad Brookers - we're in here....

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New thread - t'other one got full up....

Too go and make yourself a cup. It won't do her any harm to be put down while you do it. [mean mummy emoticon]

too read French children don't throw food. Apparently its really good to make them wait!

D couldn't wait earlier,he latched on before I even got my boob out of my bra:) it all seems a pointless excersise at the moment though as he seems to be bringing most of his feed back up!

Oooh, I may be about to embrace the baby books, Hawthers! Have just ordered an Annabel Karmel book on weaning, and was considering reading Gina Ford just so I know what SIL is banging on about (she is a GF devotee, whereas I have read on MN that she is the devil incarnate). Will add French Children Don't Throw Food to the list. Am also re-reading Babies: The MN Guide. Can you get Kindle editions of baby books?

M is asleep in her pram. I am getting twitchy for fear that she wakes up at 10pm bright and breezy and wanting to play. Must not interfere! She needs to learn to sleep in the evenings!

Nutsoid, she woke up.

Sorry, am being terribly inconsistent. First I want her to wake up and then I want her to stay asleep!

yes, i am getting a bad kindle book habit. mine keeps recommending French kids don't throw food actually.

i have the Mumsnet baby and toddler ones on mine.

R has slept loads in the nice new pram today, not sure what that means for tonight...

jaggy just don't read the French kids book while in France. Had a v v stressful lunchtime mostly because of it... But it does seem to have a few interesting thoughts which I'll be making notes on when we return to angleterre. Weather picking up, croissants every day, ds' loving the gps, in a beautiful area of France. Generally feeling rather relaxed.

hawthers our stress is just the mountains (it seems like) of food DS1 is wasting when he is too tired or hungry to sit and eat. not throwing any yet glad breakfast is a free buffet.

just observed DS2 achieving thumb sucking. hours of sleep here we come.

Bloody growth spurts and 4 month sleep regression. M fed and fed and went to sleep at 9.20, then woke up at midnight. And at 3.30. Then she pooped loudly and grinned at me. I had to change her nappy, which delighted her so much she refused to go back to sleep until quarter to 5. Then she woke up at 6.45, and then got up for the day at 9.

Yay for thumb-sucking, Jaggy!

Am v of French France, Hawthers and Jaggy.

Morning brookers. I am v jealous of those in France. I love a tasty pastry.
I am tired and I smell a bit ripe this morning Bleugh.
Got sil bil and dneice coming today so must go clean up if m ever stops feeding. She fed for hours last night, I think she may be having a growth spurt.
Love and sleep to all x

Ooh, looking forward to the next pastry report jaggy, so glad ds1 loved meeting the mouse.

And in fact I'm astounded by all those brave enough to go abroad with tiny dc. well done! Hope the soleil is out for you both.

Yesterday I had a bank appointment. My dad looked after DD- in fact, they went to the butterfly house and had a ball. I took the boys into town. They still weren't feeding well (with the H f and m, better today feeding wise though) and screamed at the boob and wouldnt feed before we left. Arrived, DT1 woke hungry, fed him in the front of the car. Someone tapped on my window as they were short of change for the parking meter. Fine, paid 30p towards her parking. Got out just in time for DT1 to projectile vomit his whole feed up, then got pushchair out, put DT1 in, got DT2 out, huge pooey nappy which I changed in the boot before it leaked everywhere, fed him sat on the boot edge rocking the buggy while empty-again and cross DT1 screamed . A complete stranger came and asked if I needed any help, so i said he just wanted to be held, not in the buggy and the lady said she'd happily do that and jigged DT1 til I'd fed DT2. How lovely. But do I take this as good karma or a sign I'm completely unable to manage twins?!?! In my current frame of mind, I'm leaning towards can't-cope...

Blimey Dream that sounds horrendous. I think you're coping brilliant FWIW. You're exhausted and stressed which no doubt is affecting how you feel about yourself. Reality is that no one could do a better job, it's just not possible. And there are nice people out there willing to help, no shame whatsoever in taking up someone's offer. It's still early days with the twins, I can't imagine anyone would be able to do anything better or different, it's all about getting through it.

Ditto Dream - what Scarlet said. I literally can't imagine anyone doing any more than the incredible amount you're managing. You're incredible xxx

I'm going with karma too dream
Random quick question, did anyone else find they had a heavier bout of lochia a while into it/ also bled more in the evenings? It's not heavy enough to go to hospital but was heavy enough to call the 24hr number to check. I wonder if it 'pools' if you sit for too long? Hmm, I shall make sure i take it easy.

You are fantastic dream you have so much thrown at you, yet you still come on here and offer kind words and advice to others:)

Definitely karma, Dream.

Ninja, my lochia came and went, particularly if I did too much. Have you been doing much exercise? I do think it pools if you haven't been moving about much. Remind me how long it's been since M was born, will you?

dream - what a lovely woman. You're coping brilliantly, I second what everyone else has said.

I'm on my third horrendous af since birth 20 weeks ago despite all the ebf ing. Grr!

A has been asleep since 18.45!!!!! Even though im not asleep due to disco over the road am still v happy as the ten hour sleep thing was worrying me. It's been a long long time since she did a stretch like this. I gave her 10mg rather than 15mg today but split into two. Might be that?

My lochia also came and went ninja

too she's 10 days old. I think she's had a little growth spurt too as the cluster feeding ramped up a gear last night and went on for hours and hours. Not done any exercise as permanently feeding!

Bar quick feed at eleven a STILL asleep and I am STILL wide awake! What is going on?!

Ha. I am no wonderwoman...

Hope everyone is having reasonable weekends.

Survived a whole day out yesterday, took our little brood to the lake district for a change of scene. Just the usual stuff, was drizzling in the morning so a big garden centre for DD to look at the fish they have, plus rabbits/ gerbils/ tortoises and even a chameleon. High entertainment for a 1 year old. Picnic in the park, nap refusal by DD so swings etc. Two explosive nappies by the boys- full changes all round on the grass in a rather chilly part of the park, a wander round ambleside and minimal bickering let's not mention the two good arguments we had getting out the house . We got loads of attention and 'how do you cope with three so little?' comments which we laughed off... Good job they didn't see the house-leaving, they'd realize we hardly do cope! Ha!

pomme, grim about the insomnia... What a terrible side effect for a baby. I hope she starts to grow out of it soon, though I don't know much about cmpi, a friend of dds had it badly but at dds age is now glugging milk no problem, so there's hope!

Oh, I misread your post pomme... Dur. S fed hourly, yes hourly all night. Bleurgh. Oh and I'm feeling really guilty. I'd practically given up the gaviscon as useless, but gave it in desperation last night and Bens 'colic' magically improved... How terrible he's barely been having it

Hope you got some sleep in the end Pomme. It's the same in this house. DD for the last week has slept from 7/8pmish through til 6/7amish but DH and I have been stupidly going to bed at 11/12ish. Half thinking that DD will wake up any minute so we better stay up, but also just so tired we end up sitting on the sofa unable to drag our backsides up to bed.

Hope you're feeling a bit brighter today Dream?

Same for me with the lochia Ninja. A few times I thought it had more or less ended, then it came back with a vengence. Think it to 5/6 weeks to stop altogether.

I just made a massive mistake of switching on the TV and watching QVC for the first time ever. £60 later and I've now got some Bare Minerals make up on it's way Had to switch off the TV before I got carried away. How did I not know about this before? Need it though for my eye bags...

Oooh, that sounds dangerous, Scarlet! Have never watched QVC, but make up, you say? Sounds intriguing...

Yy to sitting reading/MNing/watching TV when I should be sleeping. Last night M fell asleep at 9 but I didn't attempt to sleep until 11.10 and then she woke up at 11.50 when I was really just drifting off. And it's all blurring together - she woke up at intervals all night, but not as frequently as hourly, Dream.

Do you all try to feed/settle your babies with minimal eye contact in the middle of the night? Having fed M twice with my eyes shut so she wouldn't catch my eye and get all chirpy, I then started to feel guilty about it the third time at 6am. Every time I opened my eyes to check if she was getting sleepy yet she was staring at me grinning around my nipple, and I felt bad, but I really didn't want to get up at 6! She did fall asleep reasonably quickly, though, so it worked. Was I just being tired and irrational?

I got three hours in the end but it was when dd2 was on her hour and half awake bit so had to go and get dh from downstairs to help out.

I took some paracetomol with caffeine in so blaming that. no more caffeine for me!

Hourly is a killer dream hope you're holding up today ok. Gaviscon is such an ARSE to give that i don't blame you. But if B takes a bottle could you not put his gaviscon in a bottle of ebm for him? Do you/your dh think he'd benefit from a stronger reflux aid at all or is he generally improving? If A's insomnia doesn't get better (and she did get more sleep on 10mg rather than 15mg) on omeprazole I want to try lansoprazole.

Too - I agree. if they start gurgling round the nipple then it's the end, all over, no more sleep!!