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Biscuitsandtea · 17/06/2012 10:12

New thread - t'other one got full up....

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Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 07:54

Morning brookers

Hope everyone is ok and had at least some sleep last night?

Pomme how is little A doing now? Has the oxy-whatsit stuff done anything? In glad that at least the HCPs are listening to you. Really really brooking that there been some improvement.

Scream - hope A agreed to try out her basket for at least some of the time last night. Tell you what, Fishcake has just made a great big lightbulb go on for me about GF! I could never understand how the babies were just supposed to settle off to sleep on demand at the appropriate time! I never figured that in fact you would be leaving them to cry!

We never did GF, but we did try it for maybe 1 morning. When DH was going back to work after ds1, I was absolutely freaking out about how I could possibly get through a day on my own. I just didn't know what to do Hmm. (I realise now of course that all I had to do was feed him, change him and if possible feed myself too - anything else was a bonus Grin). So the day before he went back we decided to try GF thinking that this would help me get through the day iyswim? We tried it for a morning and gave up before lunchtime when I was in tears because it was all too hard with this expressing malarky (I hate expressing) and getting him to sleep on demand. We didn't do the 'putting to sleep in a dark room' that she decrees suggests as it went against the sleeping in the same room SIDS advice but did try everything else (for that few hours).

I actually thought that maybe if I'd done GF from day zero that maybe he would have even sleeping on demand and self settling. I realise now of course that this wouldn't have been the case. But I NEVER thought that she was suggesting leaving ten. It makes a lot of sense though that that was what she meant. I can remember moaning to DH though saying 'well how am I supposed to just 'put him down for a nap' and then crack on with all the things she suggests?'. And I say this as someone who has two boys who have both been quite good at self settling as it turns out, but no way they would have done it at a few weeks old.

The other thing I couldn't figure out was how to fit in my social engagements - nowhere did she have a daily slot for meeting friends for tea and cake Grin. I felt it would all be a bit restrictive. I only know one friend who did it and she swore by it. That was why I bought the books because I thought 'I like routine, that sounds ideal'. No doubt it works for some people / babies though and ultimately we're all trying to get calm babies that sleep and feed nicely so whatever works I guess Smile.

On the back of that though Scream I can confirm that she doesn't include details for cc or anything like it. If I recall correctly it just said something along the lines of 'put baby down for a nap in their room in the cot with the curtains drawn for x amount of time. Meanwhile you should wash bottles / express / whatever' oddly she never suggested you drink yea, watch tv and eat biscuits while they're asleep. Which was mainly what I did Grin.

Dream how are those wee boys of yours? Any improvement? I have to confess I still get confused with which twin has the bad reflux etc Blush. Is it worth trying a stronger medicine if the Gaviscon isn't working?

Fishcake how's it going getting out and about to toddler groups etc? Any joy? I've discovered our children's centre this week - it's amazing and free and I've met loads of parents there this week alone! Do you have anything like that locally?

Hawthers has F been repeating his sleeping through amazingness? Hope so.

DS2 has this week started to sleep from 7:30-8:00 ish when he goes to bed until 7am ish

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hawthers · 29/06/2012 09:14

biscuits I don't hate you much

F has done 2 sleep throughs but the rest of the time has been doing one wake up between 3 and 5. Got a sleep seminar woman coming next week so hope we might push that soon

jaggythistle · 29/06/2012 09:25

one wake up sounds pretty good for his age hawthers?

jaggythistle · 29/06/2012 09:28
hawthers · 29/06/2012 09:52

jaggy don't get me wrong one wake up is fabulous compared to the 3 wake ups I had up until about a week ago. It's just that he has skeptic through so I know he can do it!

PetWoman · 29/06/2012 10:10
scarletfingernail · 29/06/2012 11:12

Re GF. I used aspects of the routine with DS and actually some of it worked very well for us, I think particularly as he was formula fed from 4 weeks old. I didn't leave him to cry or follow the timings with sleep/play etc. But we did follow the feeding - 7, 11, 3, 7, 11 and put him to sleep in a darkened quiet room and he did learn to self settle. I wouldn't have left him crying, but I did leave him if he was fussing and he did learn to self settle very easily. My experience of DS and DD so far is that it's easier to get into a routine if formula feeding.

I wouldn't try any of it with DD as I'm still finding that I'm cluster feeding a lot and she's having to fit in with DS which is not very conducive to having a routine of her own. Plus when she kicks off she really kicks off and I have to rush to get to her to stop her disturbing DS if he's asleep. If I do switch to formula feeding then I would give the feed timing thing a go again. I know lots disagree with feeding at certain times instead of going with the baby, but I found DS rarely cried through hunger, slept through from 12 weeks, gained weight steadily and was generally a happy baby all round.

How was last night Dream? Hopefully better?

How's A today Pomme?

Today I'm bemoaning the 'Olympic Torch' [don't get what all the fuss is about emotion] Roads will be closed near me, completely at the wrong time of day so goodness knows what time DH will make it back from work. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to seeing the Olympics in London (on the telly) but all this flame business? Confused

pommedechocolat · 29/06/2012 14:00

A was much better yesterday until midnight post the meds. Then basically no sleep at all for dh and I post midnight! This am maybe slightly better and just did the omeprazole at lunch. They said 2/3 days and if no improvement to go back so if not better by Sunday then we'll be having a family outing to a and e!

Saw the cranial osteopath again today who post the reflux diagnosis concentrated on her tummy and pelvis. Something definitely happened as one manipulation made her do some massive farts! (A not the co :)).

Wowsers to E! Good work!

I agree that having two and bf is much harder to get a routine going. FF dd1 found her own very lovely routine at 16 weeks. Obviously we're a bit away from routine here at the moment!

Am reading everyone's updates, just keep forgetting and also not feeling very full of useful advice!

Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 14:28

Scarlet - that's interesting actually - when I think back to when ds1 was say 3+ mths, we were on a similar sort of routine. He pretty much fed at those times, but I never really left him to get hungry, so I would often do a 'pre-emptive' feed when we were going somewhere. And similarly he slept through and gained weight well. So I guess we did end up in that sort of routine. We didn't put him to sleep in a darkened room but he did learn to self settle again within 3-4 months. We also could leave him if he was just grumbling / squirming as they do, but wouldn't leave him to cry. Mind you at least it was dark when he went to bed as it was winter. Ds2 just has to manage in the dining room in total daylight Confused. Ds2 seems to have been able to self settle from day 1 - if he doesn't it is almost always wind related but 9 times out of 10 he'll just settle himself off

A lot of what I didn't like about GF was the expressing etc for bf - just extra work to express and give a bottle when I could do it myself iyswim. Of course there are times when expressing / bottles are great, but we just never needed to.

I think with most of these routines they suit some babies / families so it's a matter of finding what works for you? Probably my mistake with GF was to try to do all of it rather than taking what suited me.

There's a lot of GF-dislike out there (especially on MN) but I'm a great believer in different strokes for different folks. We're all after calm, content babies so however we get there it really doesn't matter.

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JenFraggle · 29/06/2012 14:35

Pomme hopefully the meds will kick in and make things easier for you all. I like the manipulated farts, DD needs no help in that score :o

Musical DD was 8lb 13 when I had her weighed last week, what a podger compared to I! just like me

Biscuits I think you have a star in the making there, my artistic skills have never got beyond stick people so DS is clearly G & T

DD is a month old today. We've been out in the car twice this week, those 2 days produced 4 hours and 3 hours sleep at night respectively so I've decided that we are never going out in the car again

Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 14:51

Glad the CO seems to be helping pomme and brooking for much improvement before Sunday. At least there is a follow up plan. Come on little A - you can do it.

Wow a month old already Jen Smile. Is your dd the youngest mini-brooker? Not long until we get the next squidgy new baby with Ninja Grin

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hawthers · 29/06/2012 15:04

My new real ergo has arrived. Now its clear my old one is a fake and thus one is real i hope

Need a little brooking. Not DH or DS' but family members having a really bad time healthwise. Need all the positive thoughts we can get desperately grabs onto anything that might help

Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 15:07

Brooking for your family Hawthers xx

So, can I ask how the real ergo differs from the fake one? Presumably the fake one was pretty passable if you never realised until now?

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hawthers · 29/06/2012 15:20

Just a difference in the quality if the adjustable straps, thickness of the padding on the shoulder straps, colour and the quality of the sleeping hood, elastic on the ends of the straps to contain the extra length... I could go on! But yes its a pretty good fake as it has the zip, code in pocket, etc

JenFraggle · 29/06/2012 15:48

Yep, the youngest we know about as Ninja seems to have gone AWOL so could be having newborn snuggles :)

Brooking here too Hawthers

Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 16:32

I have thrown away (well at least donated to DH's office) all of my chocolate stash Shock bar my last creme egg which I couldn't part with so I had it for lunch

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scarletfingernail · 29/06/2012 17:26

Yikes Biscuits that's drastic. Shock What if you get desperate?

Biscuitsandtea · 29/06/2012 19:06

Oh there's still Freddo's and chocolate buttons from James stash.....

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scarletfingernail · 29/06/2012 19:26

Grin of course, good thinking.

musicalmrs · 29/06/2012 19:54

Jen, wow! A good weight from N :) I was always on the smaller centiles so Iz clearly just takes after me. She also has my short legs - I keep having to turn up leggings, and her feet rarely reach the bottom of sleep suits..

Worried I may have mastisis, but not sure if it's just bad cold symptoms. Had a sore side to my right breast last night, this morning there was a huge lump - taking up about a third of the breast. Breast caking behind a blocked duct maybe? Anyway, have tried to use Iz to unblock it - think it might be slightly better but can't tell. Am now running a fever, which could be part of my cold (my husband did for a bit when he had the cold) or could be mastisis? There are no red bit on my breast however...

Feeling completely rubbish! Wish there were chocolate in the house...

Sorry for a me me me. Normal service will be resumed once I've stopped shivering and boiling...

DreamingOfPeace · 29/06/2012 22:51

No time for much but

musical, maybe a cold, maybe a blocked duct. If it was sore plus a lump, let Iz feed loads in different positions, heat if you can, hot bath best, massage the breast. Just in case...

Had good day with DD. Despite a rubbish night, I braved soft play. In the last week she has cracked the stairs finally, got the idea if soft play properly at last and we had a ball together while mothers help lady watched the boys and we waved at them lots. Got one hour proper 1:1 with DD, and it was fab

And eeek, exciting too, I just need to ask dh (who has a passionate dislike for mn and all things mn related, couldn't possibly be due to the amount if time I spend on here... So need a plan and moment to ask/ tell him an mn friend is visiting!! What time ish on Sunday were you thinking? Vague possibility we may go swimming but all depends on the awfulness of the night...! I'd love to see you, dh and M though :)

PetWoman · 30/06/2012 03:42

Thinking of your family Hawthers.

Glad you had some quality time with DD, Dream. Are the BBBBs (soon to be good diurnal baby boys) smiling now?

DS was thrashing and squeaking so I've scooped him up to feed him and it turns out DH didn't do the zip up properly on his sleep bag. Poor chap may just have been cold. Angry Also DH put him to bed and DS always seems to keep crying on and off until I go up and kiss (or sometimes cuddle) him . Seriously. But that makes DH feel bad, and I don't want to be in a position where DS will only settle if I'm there, so when DH is doing bedtime I sit downstairs until I can't bear it any longer, and then I crack and get DS settled. Soooo, last night I finally went up there to find DS wailing in his basket and DH at the other side of the room sending a text! I didn't say anything, just popped DS's dummy in and gave him a kiss and we went downstairs. And DS went to sleep. But Angry whenever I think about it!

PetWoman · 30/06/2012 03:46

Oh, hope it isn't mastitis, Musical. If in doubt, get straight to the doctor. I had a blocked duct and found that rubbing the tip of the tines of a comb in soap and combing the lump in the shower, and expressing a bit, really helped.

Biscuitsandtea · 30/06/2012 04:24

Yay for some quality Mummy - DD time Dream - that's awesome Grin. So lovely to have some proper fun. And yay also for stair climbing!

Musical hope it's lot mastitis but is it worth getting checked by a doctor? If it is already mastitis I think ABs are. Keneally required aren't they? And best asap i think ( if it is mastitis i'd go to the OOD rather than wait until Monday. Some excellent advice there though for clearing the blockage. I found combing with a wide toothed comb while in the shower and expressing at the same time, feeding from different positions (so the bottom lip is near the blockage if poss) and a hot water bottle when I slept helped the most (I can't get my enormoboobs under the water in the bath without some odd contortioning! HmmConfusedBlush)

Pet - grrr for sloppy putting-to-bed work by DH Angry

Ds2 has decided not to sleep through tonight - meh! I feel cheated now I know he can but he is super snuffly so seems a bit blocked up. Poor little sausage Sad. Weirdly DH and I both have quite bad hay fever, but ds1 (and maybe ds2 now) seem to have a cold. Well I'm pretty sure DH and I don't have colds as we both know out HF symptoms and that's what it feels like, but I'm sure ds1 has a cold not HF as he's got some proper green snot on the go and is a grumpy so and so. Ds2 I can't tell - he's really sneezy and snotty but I can't tell if it's HF or a cold. Can babies even get HF? Could it be from me having it? Confused

Hope everyone else is ok. I'm actually so excited about the imminent new brooking arrival a la Ninja Smile.

Also very Envy of Too and Dream getting to meet M and the Dreamy brood Smile. Hope you can talk your DH round Dream Smile

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Biscuitsandtea · 30/06/2012 04:41

Errr, not mastitis I meant. Feel free to correct the other numerous typos Blush.

This baby is WIDE AWAKE! Need to get some sleepiness from somewhere for him.

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