Post Grad Brookers - we're in here....

[Biscuitsandtea]

New thread - t'other one got full up....

Ooh good price - looking at the sport one for lanky tall DH and it's only £80 on there. £99 on cotton nappy co and Baby2k (linked to from ergo us site).

Should be doing something productive but am pinned under napping ds2 googling ergos! Have to get ds1 soon and have done bog all while he's been out - ooops!

Oooh, oooh, speaking of which! Dream, am going to be down near Preston next weekend. I imagine we'd pass pretty near to you on the way. Would you be up for a visit? DH can deal with M and I can twin-jiggle for you! I was thinking Sunday on our way home, because we're not leaving here til 4ish on Friday and don't want to get to PIL too late. I just need to find out exactly when DH's aunt's funeral is going to be to be 100% sure when we'll be passing. If you think it would be too much trouble, don't hesitate to say. I won't be offended.

Sorry, that was speaking of Biscuits' post re being able to help! Took me a while - I was looking at the map of Lancashire.

Right I ordered from these people

first signs

This is the eu site stockist finder but doesn't seem to cover internet sites

ergo eu

And this page has a link to the authorised distributor which has a more helpful stockist list

stockists

Hope that helps

Think she might be waking up.

Oh and Musical I do indeed love SongPop - it's great! I;ve always loved those 'Beat the Intro' type of games though

Aw Pomme that's dreadful. :( I hope you're home and being looked after well by your mum. Did the NCT lady advise A&E? Is A worse than she has been before, or is it that the professionals are finally listenng to you? Really hope the latest medication works quickly and she goes back to feeding from both breasts. No brooking that things will improve for you.

Dream DS doesn't have a routine here, but I was pleased that he is in a rough pattern of feeding, being awake then sleeping, so feeding generally every 2.5-4 hours in the day depending on the length of naps. But now he's not gaining weight well and I'm worried that I'm doing something wrong... :(

Blimey.

DS1 has just drawn something and I could actually tell what it was supposed to be!!

OK, it was only a jellyfish, but really this is amazing especially as people can rarely tell what DH or I have drawn.

Someone keep me away from my chocolate stash

Pomme you poor thing! What a stressful day! Have lots of hugs my lovely, and I'm desperately hoping the omeprazole will work for poor little A and give you both some relief! FWIW as an adult I've been prescribed omeprazole in the past and I found it incredibly helpful.

Dream you are an AMAZING Mum, literally superwoman. You've looked after all three of your LOs fantastically. All the signs are that the twins will settle down soon. "It's always darkest before the dawn" I think the bout of colic from S last night was that very last push on your resources, right before they both finally get the hang of sleeping all night! V of Too coming to see you and your gorgeous brood! Also of you seeing little M! How lovely for you both.

Scarlet WOW! Great quick thinking! With really pooey nappies I usually roll up the bottom edge up to neck height, then wrap loads of tissue around the roll before pulling it over A's head. I'm liking Hawthers' and Biscuits' advice re pulling it off downwards though!

Will persevere with the dummy for a couple of nights, and see if she learns how to hang onto it. I don't mind sorting the dummy for her a few times a night, but I can't do it every 2 minutes like last night!

Oh pomme I hope the new meds work quickly for A. So sorry for you both but brooking no argument that things improve from now on. Do you have a plan of action with the dr or a follow up appointment so that she can get some consistent care?

dream and scream dd1 had really very little routine and did not go to bed in the evening (although she did go to sleep on us) until she was 16 weeks and then it just seemed to click for her. Dd2 is not sleeping in her cot in the evening either although I periodically try and sit with her. I am hopeful that she will get to it when she is ready and so am trying not to stress about it. ( I know u grumble about dd1's sleep now but her problems stem from night weaning her after her first bday. Dh would go into her room when she woke and would then fall asleep on the floor, meaning that she then wanted someone else there all the time. It's this problem that crops up periodically.)

Also, I agree with the others that it is far too early to do cc. Not even the most hardcore people say to do it before 6 months and there is good evidence that the raised stresss levels damage the brain (sorry can't do links as am on my phone.) am not anti cc, btw as I think it defo has a place, just not. Ferber's book is a good place to start if you want to try it.

Glad ds is ok, scarlet, that sounded scary!

Jen how did your meet up with Bartlet go? Am of people meeting up! Dont think i am local to anyone- cake i think you are probably a couple of hours away. However, anyone passing through south Wales is welcome to pop in for tea and a welsh cake

scream did you try and see any tennis today? I tried to persuade dd1 that she would like to watch it but it seems she is not a tennis fan (yet )

That's persuade her to watch it on tv. I'm not about to whisk her off to wimbledon just yet

Well done biscuits' ds impressive stuff. I hope you are going to display it somewhere prominent.

Sadly it was on his chalkboard / easel thing and he promptly ribbed it off.

Easel? Easle! How the heck do you spell it?

easel!

yeah i think your DH maybe doesn't realise what cc entails scream and does he know it's not recommended for tinies at all? also i honestly think they're too tiny for habits at this age.

i fed DS1 to sleep for as long as it worked and he learned to sleep through and settle with no input. so you are not doomed if you have to feed to sleep.

it sounds hard work if she won't settle in her bed at all though. :( i found making DS2 into a wee cosy parcel helped, like a wee baby tortilla wrap I fed him on a light fleece blanket with his head at one corner. then when he'd finished i wrapped him lightly like a loose swaddle. then when i transferred him he had a corner of cosy blanket under his head. it seemed to work quite well and i did it for the first month i think.

he's in sleeping bags now so i put the folded crib sheet under to transfer with him for warmth.

he still does a bit of sleeping on me and some crib sleeps are short, but we normally get a couple of crib sleeps, longest 2-3 hours max

easel!

yeah i think your DH maybe doesn't realise what cc entails scream and does he know it's not recommended for tinies at all? also i honestly think they're too tiny for habits at this age.

i fed DS1 to sleep for as long as it worked and he learned to sleep through and settle with no input. so you are not doomed if you have to feed to sleep.

it sounds hard work if she won't settle in her bed at all though. :( i found making DS2 into a wee cosy parcel helped, like a wee baby tortilla wrap I fed him on a light fleece blanket with his head at one corner. then when he'd finished i wrapped him lightly like a loose swaddle. then when i transferred him he had a corner of cosy blanket under his head. it seemed to work quite well and i did it for the first month i think.

he's in sleeping bags now so i put the folded crib sheet under to transfer with him for warmth.

he still does a bit of sleeping on me and some crib sleeps are short, but we normally get a couple of crib sleeps, longest 2-3 hours max

I have a rough idea of what cc entails from friends who are using it, but that rough idea was enough to put me off completely for the first few months of A's life at least. So I haven't bought any books to look into it properly, because I already know I don't want to do it now.

DH has absolutely no idea what cc really means, he's just looking for a pretext to walk away and leave her in her cot crying when she's driving him crazy at 2am. I keep saying to him that if he's the one interested in cc then he's the one who's going to have to do the research and find out what exactly it involves. I've said I'm not willing to discuss it as even a possibility until he's looked into it and knows what he's talking about. So that's kept him quiet for now.

It sounds as though even if he does do the research it will hopefully just tell him not to start until DD's at least 6 months old? Although several of our NCT group are doing cc, I think following Gina Ford, and like I say they've been doing it since almost the very beginning. So I think the Gina Ford book at least must set out cc guidelines for under 6 months. You really don't need to talk me out of it though, I'm already totally anti the idea of cc for Autumn at any point in the next few weeks/months.

Thanks for all the helpful advice, it's useful to know what everyone else is doing. DD is 9 weeks atm, so I'm still desperately hoping that she's just going to figure it out on her own one day and start sleeping through then I'll win the lottery the following day, and receive a letter from Brad Pitt begging to be my concubine on the third day

Pomme how has A been today? I know it's too soon for the new drugs to have had an effect yet, I'm just hoping she's had a better day today anyway? How are you holding up? Sending lots of hugs your way!

More hugs for Dream too! How has your day been? Keeping my fingers crossed you get some three-way synchronised sleeping tonight!

Biscuits your DS1 sounds like a Picasso in the making! Well done to him!

No tennis today unfortunately Fishcake. Both DD and I were so exhausted after our night of broken sleep/dummy duty that we both slept from 1 until 5! My first proper daytime nap! I have to say, the nap was more precious to me than the possibility of tennis!

So did Jen and Bartlet meet up? How did it go?!

Hooray for a good nap for you scream!

From what I remember of Gina Ford, she doesn't explicitly tell you to leave them to cry but there are a lot of instructions to leave them in their room to settle for a nap. It completely baffled me because there was no way dd1 would just settle until someone suggested it was a euphemism for letting them cry . I never managed to follow her routines as they were too prescriptive, plus dd1 didn't want to 'settle' of course! I used to look at the book, feel bad about my lack of routine before remembering that dd1 was never the right minimum weight for her age appropriate routine, and so put the book away again.

Speaking of books, has anyone read French Children Don't Throw Food? It's an American mother's observations of French parenting. I only just borrowed it from the library. Am hoping it will be both entertaining and informative. It had a cake recipe in, anyway

Brad Pitt Scream - sounds likely to me...

One of my NCT group is doing Gina Ford. Think it worked very well for them at first, but they're very disciplined marathon-running people. The mum expresses after every feed (I can't be bothered to express at all atm!) in order to have enough milk for the last feed to ensure the baby doesn't wake in the night. And their baby seems to have colic which must be hard. Not sure how it's going for them now but last time we met for lunch, she woke her baby (who was fast asleep) because it was time for his feed and he cried for the rest of the time she was out. Just saying.

The more I think about it, the more worried i am about DS's slow weight gain, so have vowed to offer him the dummy just once when he wakes at night, and not try to settle him with a hand on his chest, but just feed him if he continues to fuss. We'll see how it goes. I'm on the night shift extra early tonight cos I popped him down for a nap at 6.45pm and he didn't wake up for his last feed! I decided to leave him just to see what would happen, despite him still being in his slightly pukey romper suit and not having had a bath. Yuck. Hope he doesn't do it again, to be honest, or I'll have to commence the bedtime routine just around the time DH serves supper!

at waking a sleeping baby while out. madness! that's the great thing about tiny babies, they just sleep in the pram and let you cart them about at first. except for when they cry in restaurants and make you take turns wandering about with them

scream I thought it sounded like your DH had just heard the words and it sounded good to him! just writing this with a wee chest frog snuggled in here. I'm the same though, couldn't let a wee one cry. especially not right from the start. :(

if he does the research it will probably say 6 months or I've even heard a year mentioned on the sleep forum on here. as you say these babies will be sleeping much better long before then ...

right, this wee dude is going to wake up when i put him down, but he could do with a change anyway.

Scream, if you all meet up in SW London I may be interested in joining you if I may! I do live in Essex (outside of the M25), but have lots of friends in that area. Plus I promised I'd pop down to the uni soon and show off Iz (small department, and have kept in touch with staff despite leaving there a few yrs ago).

I've been feeding Iz to sleep and she's learning to settle on her own I think. Put her down this evening, but heard her babbling to herself over the monitor. Left her as she sounded happy, and came up later to find her fast asleep. I've also noticed her settling at night around 5am ish when she protests a bit, and I'm a bit slow off of the mark (lazy?!), and we sometimes both fall back to sleep!

Had Iz weighed today at the doctors - 8lb 13! That's 1lb 1 more than last time, just over two weeks ago. No wonder she's outgrowing all her newborn stuff..

Got a bit annoyed at the doctor though. Think I'll be changing. For one, he didn't know my name (it's in front of you?!) and put one of Iz's middle names in her book. He also had a go at me though - he asked me to undress her, which I did with her lying on the bed (parallel to the bed, so she could have rolled off iyswim) as it was easier for me to change her with my bad back. He told me off as she could have rolled off if I left her, and talked about proper baby placement when at home and leaving her on beds and sofas! To which I pointed out that I never leave her unaccompanied on either, and if being left she's on a playmat, changing mat, bouncy chair or cot - and that I only left her that way at the doctors as I was still standing blocking her from falling off of the bed! Upset me a little, but was fine after complaining to my mum after we left .

Maybe it's time to change to a closer surgery...

Transfer time for one hot and bothered baby!

Fishcake, my DD seems to love the tennis! Think it's something to do with the sound and high contrast - she keeps wriggling to see it when on the playmat.

Pomme, sorry to hear about your A&E trip. Hope she's feeling a lot better.

Scream, no dummy advice I'm afraid, but hope you had more success tonight. Also couldn't do cc!