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Too that's great news on Maia's kidney. I agree with Pomme that the doc's advice might make the teenage years a little easier for you!

Also, Pomme and Dream how many hours should you stick to one boob for? Instead of switching at every hourly feed? I've just downloaded an app today to help me track the frequency of DD's feeding, but I already know she's a snacker and I'm going to have to start encouraging longer gaps between feeds.

Jaggy sorry to hear about DS2's worsening bum I really hope it clears up soon! It sounds like he needs a 24 hour poop break to let the skin heal, maybe if you eat LOADS of fibre for a day he'll get a little constipated? Seriously though, No Brooking for him to feel better asap.

I've been up too plenty Dream and Scream. DS only needed feeding at 10:30 when we went to bed, then 3 and 5:15 ish but had to get up at 1, 2, 2:40 also to settle him (but he wasn't hungry those times).

Have been up since 5 as I tried to settle him first but then heard him do a huge squirty poo so had to change that and then fed him while I was there .

And now I'm waiting for DH to get out of the shower so I can get up and straight to stand some chance of getting DS to nursery,

I know this applies to others even more so but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

morning all.

DS2 now seems to have a cough and runny nose too the poor wee guy. :( he keeps getting all upset when he can't breathe.

bum slightly better this morning, I'm such a sap though, i was crying along with him last night it looked so bad. the coughing is also making him puke more, he ended up sleeping on his side when he wasn't on me.

scream i would think that in time the feeding will naturally space out by itself, don't feel you absolutely have to try to do something to change it. she's too tiny for bad habits! hope you don't mind me suggesting this. i am quite lazy however, and always find just feeding is easier than trying to distract a hungry baby i do notice both boys seemed to sleep longer between feeds with visitors round to snuggle them or when out and about.

hope your boys gave you a wee break dream.

Jaggy I'm totally with you on the path of least resistance! To be honest I know you should never compare, but it seems like every Mum with a newborn that I know is getting at least 3 hours between feeds, whereas Autumn is closer to hourly and sometimes even more! Combined with the fact that she never feeds for more than 5 mins at a time, I'm pretty certain she is demanding top ups every time she has a little space in her tummy, rather than waiting for an empty tummy and doing a full feed. I feel like I probably should be at least attempting to change this, and maybe I'd get more sleep!

Sorry to hear DS2 now has a cold as well! Poor him, poor you! I'm certain I'd also be crying if little A was in the same predicament. Just remember this will pass, and soon!

Biscuits good luck getting DS1 to nursery! Hope you manage to catch up on some sleep during the day as well!

Ok so obviously it will be all change now especially as i will jinx it by writing it but we've had a really good week sleep wise, possibly to do with being on her own? A's gone to bed at 6-6.30pm, I've fed her at ten when I go to bed and she's then woken at 2-3am before being up for the day at 6am. 6am wake up is not as painful as it may sound as dd1 gets up at that point anyway already as mad as a box of frogs!

A seems to have a constant cold jaggy - saline drops help a little bit? So sorry to hear about his bum too, fingers crossed for a small poo break for the skin to recover.

scream - I'm doing the same boob for an hour or so and then changing. So if she feeds at 8am and wants it again at 8.50 she gets the same boob but if she didn't want anymore until 9.15am or so she'd probably get a different one?! No real exact science I'm just delaying the switch by one feeding more than I was before iyswim?? Did that make any sense?! Basically by not being so switch happy she's been a bit calmer - although she still feeds loads.

No plans for today, friends all busy - eek! Have discovered a puppet/story telling group I never knew about at 1.30pm so may try that to have something to do.

Jaggy glad DS2's bum is a little better - hope the trend of improvement continues but poor wee thing having a cold . They're just too young to have to go through these things aren't they .

It made ds2 quite pukey when he had a cold too. I feel your pain on the pooing too - since the CP has hit ds2 has just done loads of poos. It's costing me a fortune in nappies .

I also am feeling the thing about easier to feed than distract a hungry baby. Especially with ds1 around too. If ds2 is grumbling then it doesn't make it any easier to try and distract him when I've got DS1 going 'I don't want to listen to him cry anymore' You and me both sunshine!

Scream with the feeding thing I bet it's more common than you'd think. A few of my friends I can think of would feed their babies a few times for just a few mins in the time we'd be out for a coffee so that must be about every hour?

And in terms of changing it or increasing the time, you know if she's putting on weight ok, and you don't mind feeding her like that then surely it's not too much of a problem? All babies are different aren't they . For me it would be hard because I still can't feed that well out and about but if it's easy for you to manage then go with it. Doesn't Pomme's A feed little and often?

And 5 mins every hour - ds2 feeds for about 15 mins every 3 hours (ish) so much the same? As long as you can work out when you should swap boobs it's all the same I reckon?

Ooh and also, yyy to them going longer between feeds / sleeping longer when out and about etc. I failed to get my breakfast before ds1 got up this morning and I figured that by the time I'd dropped ds1 off and walked back, ds2 would wake up hungry again and so I'd never see my breakfast. So I though I'd stop in a coffee shop in the village and get a bagel, this having a win-win of me getting breakfast and ds2 sleeping a bit longer and spreading out his feeds a bit? I think he's got into the habit of feeding more often (then the EU regulation 3 hours ) because we've hardly been out for ages with all the chicken pox in the house.

Anyway he's waking now so I'd better wiggle on home and get him fed again

Have had aunts visiting so am way behind - will catch up later. But just quickly - Scream my DS is 7 weeks tomorrow so maybe better able to self settle than your DD as she's a bit younger, isn't she? I use a dummy and patting him when he cries (and cuddling if that doesn't work) as I don't want to leave him to cry.

Dream the lactation consultant's advice sounds useful, and bizarrely similar to what the Baby Whisperer book suggests! Don't want to bang on about it but can't help myself as the author is now totally my idol.

Sounds like DH is talking to M, so she must have woken up - I'll be quick.

Scream, what about trying to feed A for longer rather than trying to make her wait? When we first came home, the MW said that M wasn't feeding for long enough and was just snacking, so she said during a feed, try to make her keep going. Tickle her feet, blow on her face, take some of her clothes off to make her a little colder, change her nappy. Anything over 10 mins is good. It's easier to try that than to try to make her wait!

DH has just brought me M, so am now typing one-handed.

We had a challenging evening last night - v unsettled baby wanting to be walked around a lot. At about 10.30 DH managed to put her down and we were just breathing a sigh of relief and about to go to sleep when she woke up with a howl. In the end she fell asleep at 1.30. Up at 6 for half an hour, then 6.30-9.30, fed again and then I let her co-sleep until just now. I'm creating a rod for my own back by letting her sleep so long in the mornings, aren't I? I was just so knackered.

Jaggy, poor you crying over DS2's bum! Glad it's improving. M's bum is looking bad again - it had been a bit red, I had been using ebm on it and it improved slightly, then returned to Sudocrem and it's now worse again.

We are heading off to Mum's for the night for a bit of pampering. DH has been prescribed ADs and we'll get the prescription en-route. It'll take the strain off a bit for both of us to have more people to help with M.

Dream, do you remember ages ago someone mentioned a twin support thing where trainee nurses/nursery nurses (I forget which) would come out to parents of twins to give them help as work experience? Does anyone remember this conversation? Maybe you could contact them and get someone to come round and walk twins for you.

Yaaaaaaaah, Bean just barfed right in my face! I was holding her up and talking to her and she projectile vommed right at me with quite some force. It went in my mouth a tiny bit, ick!

I don't know if u remember me, I had the coil out a really long cycle of 50+ days to then get a bfp! Dd arrived in the world on mothers day by emcs due to an infection of the placenta weighing 9lb 5 she is now 8 weeks old 12.6lb and ebf which I'm proud of cuz I couldn't do it with DD1 I hope your all ok not had chance to read through yet xxx

Hi everyone! Finally got around to joining this thread! I had a quick read and I was just coming to ask if it's normal for little one to have short often feeds! She will feed for 5-8 mins each side then she will refuse to eat again... Until an hour later!! She sometimes has a longer 20-30 min feed and sleep more. Not sure I can do anything about it as she's not falling asleep until after I put her down! She's perfectly awake at the boob, eyes wide open looking at me with her lips tightly pursed! It's quite funny ...

sounds pretty normal myth. everything seems a bit random at first really. even at 4 weeks DS2 will sometimes have a big feed then fall asleep, sometimes lots of wee ones till he finally zonks out.

i remember you meme, congratulations on your DD2 and glad bf is going well. :)

my DS2 is 4 weeks old already, it's going past quick already!

Ew with the face puke too, lovely!

DS2 is finally settling down a bit after a screamy hour. was a bit hard work as i was trying to do DS1's lunch and get him in bed for a nap! DH out to the shops for supplies. he's going to ask the pharmacist for a magic poo barrier to try and get this bum healed!

think there will be tonight if I'm still awake.

Oooh, hi meme, I remember you, terrible hyperemesis no? 9lb 5, wow. well done with the bf.

Too- the joys of babyhood, ick

My boys settled at 9:45 last night so even though they slept badly I still feel more rested.

Oh, and the nanny lady has just gone home sick. I encouraged her to go but I'm really, really pissed off now because she said she's been ill all morning, hot and cold, stomach ache, not feeling well and now thinks she's going to be sick. She never said a word til now and has been kissing the children, snuggling right up to them etc etc and if she passes it on I'll be so cross she didn't just say she was ill and stay at home, I can't handle ill children/ myself. I'm not cross she's gone home or that she's ill, but that she's waited to spread it round my family first... Last week I could hardly cope the days I felt ill. FFS.

Hi myth - I love, love, love the pursed mouth thing. Sooo cute.

dream - I would be properly annoyed about that. Illnesses, even colds, really upset any delicate balance you have going with little ones so that would really enrage me. Am grr on your behalf now.

too - Don't worry about the morning thing. I used to do that with dd1 and she got 7-7 reasonably soon on (not as early as dream's little one but definitely by 18/20 weeks)

Not too bad here - A's one screamy period of the day was when I took dd1 to the little mini soft play at a local gym. isn't that always the way?!

ffs what was dream's nanny lady thinking? surely she would realise that bairn's pick up enough bugs without her bringing more. the mind boggles.

too i pretty much let both boys sleep whenever. tired grumpy babies and toddlers are no fun. people are a bit at DS1's 2-3 hour mega naps, but he (touching lots of wood) goes to sleep ok at night so it seems to work. DS2's biggest sleeps seem to be just before we go to bed and just after we get up with DS1 in the morning - typical!

Really sorry but I've missed so much I won't try to comment on posts from a couple of days ago but will just jump back in here!

Too never wake a sleeping baby! That's what my mum says and I've now decided she's been right about more stuff than I realised so I figure I'll follow her advice and see how it goes instead of ignoring most of it. :) M probably needed the sleep and will be a calmer, happier baby as a result (FX). Though maybe not if she's projectile vomming in your face!

Meme hi and congratulations on your DD and the bfing - good work!

Myth sounds like you're doing a good job feeding a new baby! Maybe stick with the same side within an hour rather than switching side during one feed? Might fill your baby up a bit more so you can go a bit longer between feeds? (Going longer between feeds seems to be what we're all trying to do, though not with very new babies.)

sorry to be a grump pet, but sticking to one side for a while is close to block feeding, which is used to reduce supply if you have forceful letdown/oversupply. so maybe not good for everyday use. :)

My babies only ever get one side each, and I tend to feed each from one side for the whole day or at least a morning/afternoon if they're feeding lots. I have gallons of milk, am expressing too and very forceful letdown so both often choke at the start of s feed :). I was told to not swap too early to get 'hindmilk' type higher calorie milk down them. Not a twin mum issue though :) .

& wow and going to sleep by herself myth, highly jealous!!

Oh yeah, got all three out on Wednesday morning by myself, had all three this afternoon ok. Flukes I'm sure but a good feeling. Was nice to have my house n children to myself too.

Things I've been forgetting for ages- ?pet*

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pet, depending where in yorkshire you are I might not be too far, I'm north lancashire. We're quite near the three peaks of the Dales. Maybe I should revisit the baby whisperer, but i have to fit the boys round DD anyway.

jaggy, I'm so soft about the children, I'd definitely have cried over the nappy rash. Here's hoping it looks a little better today after a poo break (go on babyjaggy, you can wait a bit!)

myth, sounds normal to me, mine do go longer sometimes but sometimes want to feed every 20 min...

I did jinx it - a up all evening with wind! Isn't all the colicky windy stuff supposed to get better at 12 weeks not worse?

I'm slightly worried as im noticing a high chocolate intake wind correlation... Bum.

dream - good work and yes, I'd imagine it does feel lovely just you and them.

Oh no pomme, that'd be s total disaster if its a strong correlation... Chocolate gets me through. Will not help me with dress-wearing to a wedding in 2 weeks... I heard colic normally starts between 2 & 4 weeks and resolves by 12 but can start after 12 weeks and can last til age 1@!!! Thank goodness hers isn't after 12 weeks but guess it just shows there's no hard and fast rule.

I mean only starting after 12 weeks. I know she's about 12 weeks now.