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going a bit mental here. have been up since 12.30 i think with incredible non sleeping baby.

we had feed, change, feed which was fair enough. then we had panic and fight sleep and puke and shout at boob a lot. it was after 2.30 by this point and I'd tried everything, so i woke DH for help and asked him to walk R about to calm him.

instead he decided to just cuddle him on his chest and fail to notice he was being puked on. he then suggested i put him in the crib. i pointed out that I'd already tried that and it would just result in crying and puddles of milky dribble. DH in huff because i woke him and told him what to do. i didn't really think the baby would enjoy lying on daddy's chest with his face covered in sick!

so after 2 changes of clothes for me and one for DS2 and a nappy change i bloody walked about myself while DH snored.

baby now asleep on my knee after a little feed. hopefully transferring soon.
can hear DS1 crashing about a bit, hope he's not up next. he was talking to himself earlier on.

Very similar night here Jaggy! DD woke around 9 and just couldn't get back to sleep. Poor thing was clearly exhausted but didn't know how to let go and so just kept working herself up into a frenzy. She dozed off a couple of times while I was walking her round or bouncing on the ball, but each time she woke as soon as I stopped - before I'd even had a chance to attempt the transfer. In the end she didn't properly fall asleep until 3! Mainly because I put her next to me TEMPORARILY but then accidentally fell asleep. Ahem.

It drives me crazy when she's in a bad mood and I pass her to DH with instructions (information painfully figured out during hours of fussing) and he completely ignores my advice and just holds her while she goes crazy. I cannot sleep while she's upset (PFB hormones) so I get zero rest and end up just taking her back same as you Jaggy! Grrrr!

Hope Dream got some well-deserved beauty sleep!

Hope Biscuits' journey ended as well as it started!

p.s. Now that we're moving DD up to Pampers size 2 nappies, we have a choice between their 'New Baby' and 'Baby Dry' ranges. Can anyone please explain the difference to me?!

Bad night here too. Must be something in the water. A friend who is a photographer is coming round to take photos this pm - bet I'll look bloody stunning. Humph.

No more children, ever!

Hope you had a good birthday dream

Sorry all if you with tough nights. We've finally had a run of pretty good ones this week with wake ups at 3 ish but getting later each time and this morning was 4.50am

DS1 was up at 1.30 and 2.30 though DH got up with him. After all the early morning excitement both boys slept in until 8.40 :o

Hi fishcake I'm in mid-wales about an hour away from Aberystwyth and the worst of last weekends flooding. The weather has been unbelievable recently even for Wales. Are you in Wales now yourself? The rain Thursday eve was really really heavy, its just windy now though. We def do extremes of weather here if the snow we can get is anything to go by.

Hope everyone has a good weekend :)

scream new baby are their sort of top of the range one, according to someone who worked for them 2 years ago, baby dry are one step down. With DS, we used newborn size 2 for a few weeks (DS was 8lb 3 1/2oz when born) and then moved into baby dry size 3, and have continued to use them ever since, and he's now 19 months and in size 4+ in the day and size 5 at night. Apart from the odd poo explosion that no nappy would ever be able to cope with, we have never had any leaks. (the explosions tended to be when he was sat in things, like his jumperoo, and the poo would go down, but have nowhere to go to, so would sort of bounce back up and ooze over the waistband....so we learned to avoid him being sat when a poo was imminent, but then he started pooing once a week so it was less of an issue then :) )

We tried active fit and they seemed to burn DS's skin, it went blistery and started bleeding :( not tried any others as baby dry seem to work well for us. hope that helps.

I agree with loopy - have tried other brands and other Pampers ones but baby Dry by far the best.

oo oo OOO!!! last night at 4.30am dh and I were too exhausted to do any more walking/jigging/feeding of a screaming A and had bought her into our room to stop her waking her sister so.. we dumped her in the travel cot and shushed loudly at her for five mins. She dropped off...

Have tried it twice so far this am for naps and both times I have sat next to cot and shushed for less than three mins and she's gone off!!!!

sorry...as you were...!

Excellent news hawthers, you give us hope!

Quite a bad night here too - up at 1 for three hours being the worst bit. However, I did manage to get her to sleep in her basket all night (well, from when she finally slept at 11) - hurrah!

Hawthers, hurrah for your good nights!

Dream hope you had a great birthday and simply in cake!

Hawthers glad you've been having better nights.

Bother, can't remember what else I was going to say.

Oh yeah, I go to church so we're going to get DS christened but not decided when yet. DH was brought up Catholic so we are very naughtily wondering about having a small Catholic baptism here and a big C of E one with my family and friends in London. Gives more options with schools, you see...

I'm up for more healthy eating (ie reaching for fruit not biscuits when hungry) and some exercise. Think I'll don the new huge sports bra and take the dog for a plod run next Saturday. Have to confess I've already consumed a toasted teacake slathered in butter and a pork pie and a slice of chocolate cake today and it's not even noon yet (though DS got us up at 5.30am so it feels like mid-afternon here). I blame DH for buying all of the above.

Quick question: DS has started shouting at and punching my right boob, coming off and trying to latch back on, and getting increasingly angry. Not every feed, but about 3 times so far, around 15mins into the feed. I've offered him my other boob and he's fed from that happily (so essentially having both boobs in one feed). Any idea what's going on, anyone?

Oh, Too was it you worrying about M watching TV? Well, we've been putting DS in front of the TV while we're eating supper and he seems to enjoy it. It's usually sport (football atm) or occasionally the news, so could be worse, and I never turn the TV on during the day though it's on constantly once DH gets home so I don't feel too bad. I guess if he was bored he'd tell us? Also I often just sit him on my lap while I MN or email. I'm sort of hoping that just gazing round is enough stimulation for him when he's still so young. As soon as he fusses I talk to him or walk round with him, and obviously I play with him and stuff at other times, so he's not too neglected. Is he??

Good shushing, Pomme ! :)

Yay for break-throughs, Hawthers and Pomme! Brooking hard for all the non-sleeping babies.

Jaggy and Scream, I feel your pain - why will men never just do as they're told?? DH does that sort of thing all the time too. Really gets on my wick.

Loopy, I didn't know that about Pampers - v interesting. M is currently in size 3 Baby Dry, but was in Active Fit until yesterday following my plan of buying whatever is on offer in Tesco. Have had Huggies a few times but Pampers are on offer more.

M slept from 10pm to 7.30am, woke up for a feed and went back down from 8-10.45. Not that I'm boasting or anything much.

Biscuits, how are you getting on with your weekend away? Did DS1 calm down eventually?

Too - I am so insanely of you!! That's the kind of thing dd1 was doing at M's age and over the next few weeks she slowly moved bedtime forward and by 4.5 months was doing 7-7 (although as it was a sunny summer we did have some early wakings). She still goes to bed like a dream 90% of the time and until she moved to a big bed would sleep until 8am some days.

We had a good photo shoot. A's nap got slightly disturbed as taking sleepy photos of her woke her up . She was very happy when she woke up though - obviously liked the camera/attention!

Sleep Hell with DD is,back with bedtime refusal and up screaming multiple times in the night, plus S really wakeful last night, B doing his usual 2 hourly after midnight thing.. Seems it was a terrible one for many! Shattered today. But well done M and A!! Fantastic shushing pomme. I've found the bum patting good with both mine and limb holding good with B but enrages S!!! Can't get either to sleep today though and Seb's chest sounds no better. Oh for well babies! They've had coughs and colds most of their little lives now.

I'm with you dream. Dh and I are constantly talking about what we're going to do when A doesn't have a cold and sleeps better and when dd1's finished doing her back molars which is really annoying/disturbing her.

Oh yes pomme, so do we, 'when things are easier...'!!!

I was.lying in a draught on the landing, half in half put DD's room.trying to do the gradual retreat to escape DD s room without the banshee screaming and hysteria from.her, feeding poor S who's chest is just terrible atm (keeps vomiting up whole feeds as he coughs so hard and is so mucousy) and then S started coughing and wretching, so i had to move and sit up quickly with him, cue the screaming from Herself in her cot, so dh finally comes, says he'll try and settle DD, goes straight in, all the way and picks her up. FFS!!!! She might have been ok with him at the doorway but no, undid all my work so far for nothing. I was/am hopping mad scarlet and too and all those of the irritating plan-spoiling dhs, your rage would have been at least equally matched by mine....

And now I do think no more children. It's probably for the best, especially if I want to stay married.....

i had further rage later.

apparently the night time shambles was because he wasn't awake...

this was the first day of DH in the house all day for weeks. i was away to get in the shower and DH asked me to show him how to wrap the sling for DS2. so i got him all sorted and it was v cute etc. i came out and in the space of 15 minutes he'd decided how easy it was to get things done with the sling as DS1 was eating happily while he emptied the dishwasher...

i have pointed out all day how long it takes to actually feed DS2 plus general nappy and sick cleaning up. DS1 was quite cheery today too so we didn't have any synchronised screaming.

evening grumps have been easier, i just put poor wee R in the sling and walked until he was happy to smuggle in and feed. arms less tired than they have been!

if tonight is hard work I'll either give up and do it myself or make sure DH is really awake...

oops i have whined the thread to death!

bit better night last night. still a full change of clothes for me and DS2 due to my sleepy slow reaction to a puke, but generally ok and just up to feed as normal - no screaming!

these wee babies must be extra cute at 3am on purpose to get away with all this.

DS2 seems to have a wee blocked nose which is annoying him and maybe contributing to extra sick.

right, another nappy to do..

brooking that you all had ok nights and weren't too busy to post. :(

hope DD settles better soon dream!

Thanks for all the kind words re my sick phobia. TBH I think (hope) my GP thinks I was joking when I said about the tablets. My problem whenever I'm ill or worried about something is that I come across quite jovial about things. He's a nice chap really so hopefully if I explain the seriousness of it he'll be understanding.

What are you all doing for Fathers Day? I'm glad I've made an effort now as DH spent the whole of yesterday cleaning the house and cooked dinner. He's already just gone out with DS to leave me in peace as I was up 4 times for over 4 hours in the night with DD feeding. Anyway, I've booked us a table in a restaurant for later on this afternoon. Hopefully it won't be a disaster!

Dream hopefully the night hell was just a one off and DD will be back to sleeping like an angel again tonight. There's no way you can be doing that again every night now.

Sleepy photos sound gorgeous Pomme

How is DS2's bum doing now Jaggy?

Hawthers I've been meaning to ask how the potty training is going these days?

Too I'm C of E, but admittedly do not attend church that often. We go a few times a year and DS has been involved in a few of the childrens things that goes on at Christmas and Easter etc. He was baptised at 20 months old and I'd definitely like the same for DD. We had a fall out with relatives who were not happy about who we chose to be his Godparents because we chose friends with Christian beliefs rather than non-believing relatives who just fancied the title so I'm not looking forward to that part of it again!

Biscuits I hope you're weekend away has been good?

Morning all

We are back from our Ill Advised Journey. We had to travel after bedtime for both legs of it and both times ds1 didn't sleep in the car so he has had 2 very late nights. Yesterday he was... Erm..... A handful for being tired. We are yet to see how he'll be today..... (So far though, guessing similar to yesterday ).

Ds2 slept brilliantly for the journeys, was great overnight when we were all in one hotel room (just one feed overnight) - all great. But last night was terrible and he fed loads and loads and was wide awake . Still at least DH has already spent some quality father-son time for father's day

Might take them both swimming today (this is probably Ill Advised too)

I've been reading while away but no time to post. Sorry to hear of so many bad nights though . Hope you've had some better nights last night and that Jaggy you eventually got some sleep and rest xx

Cross posts Scarlet - hooray for DH being a star yesterday and this morning . Hope your meal later is lovely.

Oh on the christening front, we are also technically CofE but don't really attend church. We were married I church though and ds1 was christened at about a year. We will probably get ds2 christened in the next 6 months or so - since I don't actually go to church though I'll have to get round to ringing them to see what I've got to do / when we can sort it out.

DH is chuntering though about paying for a little do after (that, and about paying for a birthday party for ds1 )

Urgh. Not enough sleep! A is four months a week on wednesday and I will be starting some formula then I think. I'll start weaning on gluten free cereal and fruit and veg at about 5 months too.

After that toxins article I won't be bf past 6 months now either, a final nail in the coffin for bf for me. I'm just not the bf type I don't think.. :) I want to wear dresses and proper bras, have my normal sized boobs back and not have to wap boobs out in front of male friends/relatives.

And thats all without the hint of a promise of more sleep :)

Good news on the trip biscuits! I'm finding with two there's always one not behaving/sleeping.

I'm so with scarlet on the shred!