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TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/05/2012 22:05

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PetWoman · 22/05/2012 02:29

Hawthers I guess if DS1 won't use the nursery potty they've got to let him have his nappy instead? What a pity! But perhaps he'll be willing to use their potty next week if he's enjoying nappy-free success at home?

Musical glad the nipples are feeling better already.

Jaggy hope DS2's cold is improving and he's back in his crib tonight.

Hmm, DS has just had a very short feed. Hope he doesn't wake up in 10 mins, indignant that he's back in his basket already! And before we came to bed the cat settled himself comfortably where my legs should have gone and still hasn't moved. I haven't got the heart to shift him - he's stretched out so blissfully. And the dog is growling at weird noises of workmen on the nearby railway. I fear a good 'second sleep' will not be mine tonight! :)

PetWoman · 22/05/2012 02:40

Too well done for being so well organised with that nursery visit. Like you, I hate the thought of handing DS over to someone else to look after, but if course it's not for ages! I'm being a wimp disorganised and haven't looked into childcare yet. As a teacher I'm loath to pay for 50 weeks of nursery when we'll only be using it for about 40 weeks - does anyone know if 'term-time only' childminders exist?

DS was squeaking and DH started to complain so I'm feeding him again... DH is now snoring. Clearly not such a disturbed night for him then.

PetWoman · 22/05/2012 02:47

Scarlet that doesn't sound good! Definitely go to the GP!

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 04:01

i wrote a massive post yesterday evening and my phone ran out of memory and lost it. grr

to summarise it was about how the lansinoh seems to be protecting DS2's bum enough to slowly heal it.

also a story about how he did a massive poo on me while i changed him. had to strip to my underwear and get DH to help clean up while i got a nappy back on. DS1 of course chose this moment to wake up from his nap and was Hmm at me standing there in bra and pants with DS2 in just a nappy.

cold still bugging him but he had 2.5 hours in crib at first. been messing about feeding changing and falling asleep for about 2 hours somehow, away to transfer...

all 4 of us have the cold now. also trying to bite my tongue with DH telling me how much he's struggling with losing sleep. i can tell by the snoring that he's getting a lot more than i am. I'm doing all feeds and changes and he just holds DS2 occasionally if the crying wakes him up. i can see he feels rough but still makes me fizz a bit.

ok time to transfer...FX

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 04:05

oh I'm just doing the changes myself as it's too much effort to wake DH and too painful to see his half asleep struggles. also he keeps asking why he's doing it if I'm awake anyway...

musicalmrs · 22/05/2012 05:19

Sorry about the colds Jaggy. At least he got the first 2.5hrs. Poor you and the poo story too - I'm slightly concerned about such things happening when DH returns to work at the end of the week (he's splitting his paternity leave).

I hear you on the moaning about lack of sleep thing too. Mine is getting better at remembering not to, so I shouldn't complain too much..

Petwoman, I should have guessed that you have pets! You have the cat on the bed and the baby in the same room? Do you have any safeguards in place to stop said cat curling up with the baby, or has everything just been ok? I ask as I have two ultra fluffy pusscats myself, who have been very good with DD - but I'm worried about them trying to snuggle up with her so have been shutting them out of the bedroom at night. One cat doesn't mind, but I'm finding it sad seeing the other one curled up outside the door when I get up in the middle of the night!

Had DD in the bed with me since 1ish. Now time to attempt transfer. How can something so sweet and innocent looking right now kick up such a noisy fuss..!

hawthers · 22/05/2012 09:19

Had an awful night last night with f waking every hour to two hours.... Surely at nearly 5 months this shit should stop soon?

Potty training going fairly well but nursery were hopeless yesterday and he spent most of it in a nappy. Going to call then later to put a rocket up their arses as he managed to do a perfect big wee on the potty as soon ad he got home...

ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 22/05/2012 10:11

I love Autumn dearly but she is trying to break me! I was looking after her on my own all Sat night and all-day Sun, during which time she fed hourly or half-hourly. Constant feeding. It must have been a growth spurt (she's 4 weeks tomorrow), because not only was she feeding more frequently, it was also for longer than usual. Since birth she's never fed for more than 5 minutes in one go, over the last day or so we've had several feeds lasting just over ten minutes, which is unheard of for us! In between feeds she's often awake and very fussy (also very uncharacteristic) - poor little thing seems exhausted and overtired but won't settle even on my chest.

I've been on solo duty because DH was working yesterday, but he's not working today so at 2 a.m. this morning I handed DD over to him for his turn at the night shift. She'd been up for hours, fussier than I'd ever seen her, and at 1.55 am (literally) I finally managed to get her to sleep, just before the handover to DH. At 8.30 am I then woke up (aching boobs) and I asked DH how the night had gone. He told me he'd also just woken up because DD slept through from 2 am to 8.30 am! Shock

Honestly I should just quit! Everytime DH does the night shift she sleeps through, and when she's with me she wakes every hour!! I cannot believe she went from hourly feeds with me to a SIX-AND-A-HALF HOUR sleep with DH!!! What am I doing wrong?!

Musical I did use nipple shields for 24hr as Purple mentioned, and they helped my nipples to heal a bit but I have to say they don't help with the pain of latching on at all! Definitely a last resort. The only thing that really made a huge difference was when my right nipple was just completely raw and pure agony, I gave the right side a 24hr break from breastfeeding completely. I expressed from the right side and continued to bf from the left, so for 24hrs DD alternated boob and bottle at each feed. She was about a week old. I'm not advocating this as a great idea for everyone, I only brought the bottle in so early because my right nipple hurt so much I literally could not put DD back on. It was express or just stop altogether. I was very lucky that DD accepted the bottle no problem and also quite happily continued bfing. After 24hr my right nipple had almost totally healed - it made such a quick recovery when given a break, so I was able to stop expressing at that point and wait until after 2 weeks before expressing again (one bottle a day for DH to use during his section of the night shift). Good luck with your bfing!

Scarlet this whole thrush thing is so confusing! My nipples are still stinging loads, but I wouldn't say my symptoms match the description of thrush really. I can't see any visible signs of thrush on my nipples or in DD's mouth. Plus although there's a rush of stinging when DD latches on, it fades as the feed continues. It hurts more between feeds than during. My imw suggested it could be the letdown, but when I feed DD I always get letdown in both breasts, yet only the breast she's actually on hurts. So confusing! Are you going to your GP about it? I haven't decided yet - there's no test for thrush so I'm not sure what more my GP can tell me than my imw.

Apologies for the mammoth post, and for not responding directly to anyone else. I'm just soooooo tired still, my brain isn't functioning. Sending out No Brooking vibes for all those potty training, also for all poorly No Brookers (both full-size and mini members), and wishing for lots of sleep for everyone!

DreamingOfPeace · 22/05/2012 11:26

scream she'll smell you and milk. Own room is the only thing that worked for me - not going well with the boys but they're up just as much with dh when kept downstairs, every 90 min-2 hours so not surprising. The stats are co sleepers wake more and bf more that I read but with DD I didnt co sleep but even being in my room was too much
for her to resist boob!!!

And hawthers as the mother of two babies I spent 90 min settling at 3 am for them for them to wake 35 minutes later I am also super sleep deprived and in no position to know when it'll stop...

PetWoman · 22/05/2012 12:46

Oh Jaggy Grin the poo story does sound quite funny - though obviously not nice at the time! I feel your pain re DH complaining about lack of sleep. Honestly, how do they think we feel?

Musical we kept an eye on the cat at first, but he's generally ignored the baby. He tried to get in the Moses basket a few times so I used to leave a blanket draped over it, and swiftly shooed him off if he looked like investigating it further. At the moment the only bad thing he's done is try to carry off DS's dummy!

Hawthers pretty please could you just lie about F's sleeping? I've convinced myself that things can only get better and you keep giving me a cold dose of reality! Seriously, though, I hope he goes back to good sleeps and gives you a break.

Dream I don't know how you do it. 35 mins and then awake again? :(

Scream I agree with Dream about smelling your milk. Maybe DH will have to take over all your night shifts? Grin

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 13:57

i felt like rubbish after a 90min sleep never mind 35min! although this is partly a fuzzy head with the cold. i think DH has the man flu version ;-)

DS2 has been almost permanently attached to me this morning, not sure if it's a growth spurt or just because he's got the cold or both. not been keen on getting put down at all, think the sling might be handy when it arrives.

I'm holding out for things calming down around 9/10 weeks like DS1! it did go a bit mental for the 4 month sleep regression, but settled down in a few weeks. i think I'm dealing with things better than last time as i knew roughly what to expect and am not counting or timing feeds etc. and just going with it.

i doubt anything could prepare you for how relentless it is with 2 tiny people screaming for you dream! plus a big sister.

oops i keep coughing and nearly shaking DS2 off the boob. Blush

more poo-explosion today, but managed to contain it. there was a tiny warning poo so i was ready despite him also weeing on his own foot..

PetWoman · 22/05/2012 16:17

4 month sleep regression, Jaggy ? Oh dear, is there anything else I need to prepare myself for??

scarletfingernail · 22/05/2012 16:20

I'm almost at breaking point too. I think we're in the midst of the 3 week growth spurt. I didn't even get to lie down in bed until 3am last night. Every time I put DD back in her moses basket she kicked off again. More milk given, she falls asleep again, gently lower into basket, she kicks off again. And so on. Probably 10 times in all. This was after she'd already been awake most of yesterday feeding. She's now fast asleep in the moses basket and has been for the last 3 hours. I need to wake her as my boobs are full and hurting but I'm just so tired and it's lovely not to hear her whinging.

DS is being an angel. He's outside in the garden with my Mum having a lovely time chalking all over the patio. I wish I had the energy to join them but my bum is stuck to the sofa.

I hope things get better for you Scream. I might try putting one of my worn nighties over DD's mattress tonight and see if that helps her to settle in it better. Maybe you could try the same on Autumn's part of the bed?

Hawthers I hope you have a better night too. And that Jaggy's cold buggers off.

hawthers · 22/05/2012 16:23

How long does the four month sleep regression last for? Anyone know? I'm tired!

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 17:09

kellymom.com/parenting/nighttime/4mo-sleep/

I found an old post somewhere from when DS1 was 4mo...I think it was weeks.

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 17:11

that link wa san explanation I think but didn't really say how long.
zzzzz

DS2 finally having a wee sleep after feeding almost non stop since 7am Shock

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 17:12

....and DS1 awake from nap. we are watching stuff on outube while I MN Blush

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 17:12

youtube even.

jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 17:15

kellymom.com/bf/normal/growth-spurts/

i guess this is the 4-6 week spurt...

musicalmrs · 22/05/2012 19:52

Thanks for the comments re nipples! I had the BF supporter come out today - she was very helpful. It appears my latch has been wrong some of the time, but not all of the time - and it was probably earlier bad latching that's made my nipples so so bad. She said to try and survive without using a bottle if need be, and that if I'm lucky my nipples may heal in 1-2 weeks...

Still in quite a lot of pain with them. DD latched on first thing this morning and I was then aware of lots of blood frothing up - which went everywhere (including DD's nice new babygro!).

Scream, it's not the pain of latching that gets to me (which isn't always too bad), it's the red raw nipples. I'm glad to hear that your DD did so well in both accepting the bottle and going back to the nipple - that may well be my plan if mine get worse. Hopefully now I've had the latch checked they'll just keep improving, we'll see..

Pet, that's good to hear! :) One of ours has ignored DD, the other shows interest - comes up and sniffs her, and came and sat beside her and purred this morning (aww!). Blanket draping - while DS was occupying the basket or not? I really want to let them back on the bed at night, but I'm just a bit paranoid :( I let them in at about 6.30 when I was up (and feeding!) last night, and was greeted by lots of purrs from each, who then happily curled up on the bed - lovely, but sad!

Purple, tried the biological nurturing last night/this morn, seemed to work well for both of us! Not sure if the latch was that good though, what with the bleeding incident earlier.. may give it another go tonight.

Mythical · 22/05/2012 21:33

hello everyone! i just got around to writing my loong birth story - here it is

will catch up with you all soon!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 22/05/2012 22:04

Hello people!

Musical, your bleeding nips sound agonising and quite scary. I think I would freak out if M started frothing blood! Brooking for a massive improvement very soon. On the pet front, I started off v paranoid about the dog, but now, 10 weeks in, I am quite happy to snooze on the bed with M on one side and dog on the other. You'll get used to them interacting and things will settle down again.

Scarlet, have you tried putting a hot water bottle in the Moses basket so it is nice and cosy for DD?

Jaggy, Brooking for your cold to vanish quickly. At least it's nicer weather now.

Can I ask all experienced mothers if there are any rules of thumb for babies and hot weather? I have bought some factor 50 suntan lotion but am a bit wary about trying to put lotion on M. What if she's allergic to it? Confused I would like to go for walks in the sun (with her in the sling) but how do I know if she's getting too hot? Should I consider giving her cooled boiled water if we go for a walk and she seems hot? Can she go in a cool paddling pool yet? She has a sun hat and a pair of sunglasses but she hates the sunglasses, even though they look adorable. Grin Now I have asked all this it will rain for the rest of the week, natch.

Darn, I thought she was asleep on DH but I can hear her wailing in the bedroom. Bye for now!

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jaggythistle · 22/05/2012 23:07

please stop feeding and go to sleep for a wee while baby...i swear he's grown bigger since this morning with feeding all day.

i thought i remembered what growth spurts were like...

pommedechocolat · 22/05/2012 23:27

A hasn't woken for her approx ten ish feed yet... I can't sleep because I'm waiting for her to wake and also dh is away and I lays sleep badly when he's not here. however a possible feed drop is exciting!

too - I hate sun cream as I am a bit allergic. My plan with dd1 and hopefully with a is just shade, shade, shade. I used cream on dd1 at six months for the first time I think. I did some mad things with Muslins draped over the pram to create the shade iirc! In the sling I went for her being covered totally bar hands I guess in light cotton clothing with sunhat.

Hey to everyone and big hey to purple!

12 week jabs went better than the 8 week ones by the way anyone getting near them!

pommedechocolat · 22/05/2012 23:47

Oh and bf babies don't need water :)