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Hmm. I don't normally but I'm getting very desperately tired... I'm sure this is what we did with DD, except maybe no tv in the evening when trying to convince her it was bedtime which we haven't bothered with yet this time.

I wake both mine after 2hrs 15 (although haven't needed to with a due to voracious feeding and dd1's loudness). Sleep cycles are 45 mins with babies so after that they will be in light sleep so easier to wake them.

They will get it dream you're doing so amazingly.

The verdict is in. Drum roll please....

Whilst bare bum DS1 has had no wee accidents today!!

But when wearing pants or trousers he wees everywhere and we had a little poo pop out earlier on and I'm pretty sure he has one stuck on there now....

But I feel reassured that he is probably ready but hasn't got the hang of the pants rather than nappy thing. What to do at nursery tomorrow is another issue.

I've never woken either of mine Dream because I like the peace and quiet too much but, certainly with DS1 we were super lucky that he was a good sleeper so could wake up at 6pm (as an older baby toddler) have his tea and go straight back to bed. I used to have to wake him so he could have some tea, so I guess I did wake him. Too early to tell if DS2 is as good at sleeping .

I know in stupidly lucky to have had that with DS1 though so it isn't much help.

But you are doing the most amazing job my love, you really are! I do hope the colicky reflect stuff starts to ease off soon as the whole Dream household deserve a break in a huge way xx

Yay Hawthers for no wee accidents while bare bum. It took ds1 longer to figure out poos and I believe that is quite common. He also regressed on the wee's a bit when we bought the pants in but got the hang of it (eventually!)

Will he sit on the potty / toilet at regular intervals if asked? If he will, could you tell the nursery that he's been doing ok (ish ) but needs to be taken every x minutes / hours?

If not, maybe spend tomorrow while he's out practising your face ready for 'really, he had several accidents? well, I'm very surprised......'

Go Hawthers on the potty training - sounds v promising!

Jaggy, hope DS2's bum is better. M's is very sore now - red and spotty with some bleeding bits. We were at Mum's and far from a shop so tried lots of nappy-free time, but Maia would only be nappy-free lying down for a little while and then would want to be picked up and played with or fed, neither of which I was keen on doing with a nappy-free baby. She managed to pee on both Mum and me this morning on separate occasions even so. We tried a little tiny sunbathe at lunchtime hoping the sun would help, and I think perhaps it did, but not much. Now we're home again and trying Metanium, so FX. Has anyone tried something called Drapalene (or similar)? Grandma was recommending it, but haven't had a chance to go shopping yet.

May have to go suddenly as M seems to be waking up again, by the way, so apologies if I don't finish responding to all recent posts! DH did some sterling work walking around singing to her, she looked fast asleep so we put her down, but she is squeaking and wriggling again. DH is jiggling the Moses basket but it doesn't seem to be having the desired effect.

On the sleep thing - I never wake her up myself!

i think it's Drapolene too, have heard of it but not tried it. hope the metanium works.

will let you know if the lansinoh works to help heal the bleeding bits.

just heading to sleep. as usual i came through and fell asleep by mistake before i was ready for bed.
time to try transferring this sniffly wee boy to bed.

Scream, maybe it's a DD thing, the clingy sleeping? I don't mind during the day, but am a bit worried about it overnight -afraid of squashing her or overheating her really!

My nipples have reached a level of soreness I previously would have denied existed. I haven't been keeping proper count but I think DD has fed at least eight times in the last four hours. I think her latch is predominantly good, or at least as good as it can be for her tiny mouth. She does sometimes slip, but I think the main problem is the frequency :-( might try expressing during a quiet spell tomorrow afternoon and seeing if a bottle of ebm in the middle of this evening feeding madness gives them the break they need!

Sorry for me me me - I'm sure I'll gain the skill of having no sleep.and retaining info about all your posts I've just read, soon!

Gosh Hawthers that's impressive work in one day! Pity you can't send him pants-free to nursery...

No brooking that the sore bums of Jaggy's DS2 and Too's DD get better quickly.

Biscuits glad DS2 seems to be sleeping again! How are his spots?

Today DS did an epic 7.5 hours between feeds! Not sure why. He'd been awake with DH for a few hours after a feed, with just a few little cat-naps, so when he started crying I was about to feed him and then he suddenly fell asleep - and slept, and slept... In the end we did wake him up but only because we had to go out! He's just slept for another 5 hours and had his middle-of-the-night feed - FX he continues the good sleeping now till at least 5am...

Musical you sound impressively sane and sensible for someone with a tiny new baby! Hope your DD gives those nipples a break so they can heal a bit...

Dream have those Bad Bat Babies by any chance managed to go to sleep at the same time tonight?! They must start sleeping better soon, surely? Have you tried drinking a big glass of before a feed?

Music your dd is building your supply right now, how about you think of ways you can get your rest rather than introducing a bottle at this stage? I am still bed sharing with H and it is the only way I would cope. Also maybe have a 24hr nipple shield break if your desperate like Scream did? Is thee any way you can get a pro boob person to check your latch over, do you what bf support is available in your area? How did you get on with your lansinoh investigation?
However, in your shoes I would just go to bed! Babymoon, rest up and feed as she wants with plenty of skin to skin :)

Too has M been checked for thrush on her botty? Nothing will clear that up but canestan that the DR or HV can prescribe.

Hawthers well done! Clever ds slightly as fed up of scraping Sh*t off dds bum but better in a nappy, than on the floor, chair, walls...

My DS is having his first jabs this Fri, we are also looking at preschool/nursery for DD that day. So :( day then. Ds is also getting clingier, now preferring to sleep in the sling on me rather than in his pushchair of an afternoon AND being fussier in the evening! Gah. + having a wibble about getting his TT divided or not :(

Sorry if I have missed anything important!

Poor DS1 won't sit on the potty at nursery so demanded to put his nappy on... Oh dear think they are going to take it off again and try later. Should I he annoyed that they've gone back to happiest it just trust that they know what they are doing. He did so well yesterday just hope it hasn't ruined his confidence.

Purple! The voice of BF wisdom! :) It's not so much my sleep that's the problem - it's the pain after feeding almost constantly for 4ish hours of an evening! I'm not entirely sure about the lansinoh - seems fine when on my skin but not sure if it helps my nipples much - I'm sure it does. DH has just gone out to buy me a huge tube! Breast milk seems to be more effective :) I looked up the local BF support this morning, but by a stroke of luck they also gave me a routine call earlier about coming round tomorrow. Was in the shower at the time, but will sort that out later :)

Am doing bed sharing for about half the night - seems to be working quite well.

What was Scream's 24hr nipple shield break? I haven't even looked into nipple shields. If I were to introduce a bottle it would be ebm - and only if expressing proved slightly less painful than the nipples after cluster feeds! They feel much better now it's not the middle of said feeding session..

How much trouble is the TT causing? Would it make life easier and happier for both of you if you got it divided...?

Pet, they healed a bit in the middle of the night when she wasn't feeding so much thankfully! Thanks for thinking me sane - I assure you I am not

Too, we have the same problem when we put DD down - seems fast asleep (normally through DH getting her there - he's very good!) then starts waking again. Her poor bottom sounds very sore - hope you find something that helps.

Hawthers, hurrah for no wees while bare bum yesterday. Hope the nursery bit hasn't ruined his confidence - though it must be an entirely different ball game cracking the potty etc somewhere other than at home..

Scream used shields for about 24hrs to give her boobies a break. With instruction to get help with latching.etc asap and her IMW helped her out. I would maybe give this a try if your at your wits end, rather than introduce a bottle at this stage if you can.
I have to pile on the lansinoh when I use it, ebm is great though. This will all get better :)
Have you tried biological nurturing?

Hawthers of cours ds will be fine, we're brookers!

Thanks purple I'm just being a wet.lass about my pfb!

Plus worrying we've done the wrong thing starting now when we've got a long car journey on holiday in 6 weeks time. Still with f we can't go too long between stops anyway.

sniffly boy was having none of being put in bed, so i had a chest frog till 6.30am, when DS1 decided i had to get up. so I'm a bit sleepy and have a sore back from dozing sitting up.

grumble over!

I think the Lansinoh is helping wee R's bum heal. will need to get a new tube at this rate! i was aiming for a kind of moist wound healing thing, also to protect the sore bits and give them a chance to get better! we are still doing the steroid cream too for a few days.

DH is making me lunch, only achieved a cereal bar for breakfast. i was worried about not losing much weight with DH as a SAHD looking after us, but it doesn't seem to be working that way! we'll get organised yet...zzzzz

I might see what the BF support people say tomorrow Purple before going for the shields - and maybe the bottle too after this morn! she's been cluster feeding (again!) and they seem a lot less painful, so... we'll see! I imagine when LOs have bigger mouths that helps a lot too? Alongside general better latches and hardier nipples...!

I'll try piling on the Lansinoh :) biological nurturing - is that specifically where the baby is on your tummy and you are semi-reclined? If so... no! Have done a lot of feeding on my side in bed, but not that - will give it a go!

Hawthers I am wet too, I am going to pay for a new cotbed as DD is still in hers, even though she has a single bed in her room! I just don't want to make her anymore insecure.

Music a bigger mouth definitely helps. Glad it is feeling better, have a look at biological nurturing website, think there is youtube vids too. Please do try it though and yes definitely leave nip shield and bottles if you are happy to wait for support. I am sure you know about nipple confusion... I generally suggest that if there is pain from latching that teats should be avoided and , there are other feeding methods, that should be considered first such as syringe, cup or finger feeding :)

Hello!

Have spent about 3 hours asleep on the bed with M this afternoon. She fed for some of that time and then we just snoozed peacefully. Mmm, bliss! We went out this morning to see a nursery and I am so not ready to contemplate leaving my PSB! It did seem very nice but I just felt teary at the mere thought of leaving her there! Luckily it's not for another 8 months.

Jaggy, the Metanium is working wonders - massive improvement in M's bum since yesterday. The HV gave it to me on prescription - might be worth you asking for it? Purple, no, didn't know about thrush on bottoms! If it doesn't clear up properly in the next couple of days I'll ask the HV on Friday to check for thrush. M has her jabs then too.

Musical, sounds like you are doing a stellar job on the feeding! You and little I will get through the painful bit and then it will get much easier, I promise. I get the odd soreness now and then when we've had some lazy latching, but not much and not enough to worry about.

Hawthers, I suppose the nursery thought it was for the best, and they are going to try again so it's not giving up completely. They must see so many kids through potty training, I'm sure it'll be ok.

7.5 hours, Pet! and wow! Excellent work there!

Dream, how is DD? Is she feeling better? Brooking for excellent health and sleep all round in the Dream household.

Purple, at what point is it wise to begin introducing a bottle without fear of nipple confusion then? People I've spoken to recently have said nipple confusion isn't as much of an issue as some say, which is why I was rather relaxed about the idea! DH is also looking forward to getting in on the feeding act. BF support person coming round tomorrow at some point, so hopefully she can help iron out the painful bits!

Too, three hours sounds blissful! I'm enjoying BF, it's just the soreness that I'm struggling with as we both learn what we're doing! Hopefully the BF support visit tomorrow will be good.

musical, I think DT2 did latch poorly after a bottle but it made no difference to DT1. It may just be that DT2 was little though, 5lb 6 then, so had more trouble anyway due to his size. I hope the nipples recover. Mine get really sore in tandem cluster feeding and recover a bit with

Aaagghh just when I thought BFing was going well I'm now worried that something's gone wrong. My nipples are absolutely killing. So, so sore. They throb in between feeds, when DD comes off after a feed the stinging is excruciating. I've also noticed some small white deposits in her mouth a good hour or so after a feed. Does that sound like thrush? I really can't be going to the GP yet again (already been 3 times in the 3 weeks since DD was born )

Any ideas?

Musical sounds like you're doing really well. You're still only a few days in, you might find the nips hurt less as they toughen up over the next few days.

Great to have you back Purple I've missed you

Brooking for all those potty training.

A two hour break. I've been told nipple confusion is real by some people and total rubbish by others. Loads of nicu/scbu babies are tube fed initially and only learn to latch weeks later, so two mws told me unless i topped up via bottle after every feed I'd have no problem. And Ben is fine now, he's 7 weeks on Wednesday and continues to have a bottle of ebm every day or every other day. These Bad Bat Baby Boys must improve with their sleeping soon though

scarlet, who cares about that, go to the gp again if needed! Do they ever feel pain free? Are they better by the start of the next feed?

The LC rang today to see how we're getting on. She said if the feed spreading isn't working don't continue... Now I'm confused! It seems to help Seb but not Ben. He's still a miserable little tike most of the time. Currently the Elixir of Ben is gaviscon and gripe water :) . I've heard of this phenomena though where you feed a baby and it settles- either awake and content or goes to sleep . Can't be true....

pet, amazing progress by your ds, good skills. Very of both the sleeping and feeding as your ds is only 1 week older than my Bad Bat Baby Boys (BBBB's),..... I continue to fruitlessly throw them in the bath at the same time every night, get them changed now every morning, wake them if they sleep more than 2-3 hours in the day but chaos continues to reign here.

DD is fine thanks too, very chirpy today, bossing everyone around at playgroup , baby signing away. Hope M's bottom clears up ASAP.

Music 6 weeks is what they say but confusion can happen anytime.. It is more risky with a bottle given as a top up after every feed.
The thing with confusion is it isn't always immediately apparent. Or it can be! With a baby who is learning to breastfeed you are making it harder for them, by involving something which requires a completely different suck, so they say 6 weeks as often baby is competent then and your supply is established.

Scarlet scratch the white spots gently, if it is sore or bleeding underneath than probs thrush. But do check with your GP anyway as they won't mind and sometimes you can't tell if it is thrush until it is treated and your symptoms disappear. :)

at being missed! :)

Dream of course it will get better! Silly BBBBs will decide they like sleep at some point. When there teenagers it is what they will only want to do