December 2011 (drop-in) - The Trouble With Dribbles

[LittleMissFlustered]

Seven, I have no idea from that info and this distance, sorry! What i will say is that when babies are having growth spurts they often sleep more between feeds. If you're worriedthat she's abnormally drowsy, then seek phone advice from your OOH doc or visit the A&E, but if she's awake and playing and seems normal in between naps that's not likely to be nevessary. Sorry to be ague but there's a squillion and one cauaes of drowsiness, some mindbogglingly serious and some not. It's a bit like saying "my baby's crying, is she ill?"....

(I meant vague, of course, not Ague. Ague is the malarial illness everybody got in Little House on the Prairie.)

I love that little bit of trivia aethel

Northern I have a feeling that after my first full week back at work in November, I'm going to die of exhaustion!!! 12 hour days including the commute are going to be hell...

Thanks, she's awake and playing happily now, probably just the last 3 days of being up at 5 instead of 6.30 catching up with her.

Goin with the rhymingness of vague and ague I gue you plague. I've pinned the red cross on the door as my eldest has just succumbed to it too:( Hoping the tentacled one avoids it as I've surely fed him some immunity? Right? Please!

Hope Sunday is going smoothly for you all:)

On Friday, we had Ellis' first awake giggle, to me dancing and singing Drop It Like It's Hot, including the popping noises. He also held a bottle for the first time - he dropped it pretty quickly, but he's learning! We did clay impressions of one hand and foot. Friday was a good day. :)

Yesterday was fine, giggling was repeated.

Today, he is being a little rat, and not drinking as much as he should. His eye is horribly gunky, so it's back to the GP we go tomorrow.

I'm sorry some of you are having such crappy nighttimes. My mum saved me from them by training him to sleep through the night, but if she hadn't, I really would have cracked up by now.

Sending healthy vibes over to you LMF!

Was it messy doing the clay impressions Sorelip? I have a set but haven't given it a go yet!

Been a bit of a rubbish day here. DP is continuing to be vile, he has occasional moments where he can be really lovely to me or is really sweet with the boys. Those are the bits that are keeping me going at the moment but I'm really struggling. Never thought the hard bit about having a baby was going to be coping with DP :(

Hey all, hope the plague leaves you and yours sharpish lmf!
we're struggling here. Ali will not accept breastmilk from a bottle. SIL tried, he screamed the place down. When I got home I got him to "absorb" almost 1oz from a Tommee tippee, by him chewing the teat whilst lying on his playmat giggling at himself in his mirror.
I even got him to take a couple of tiny spoons of baby rice.
I expressed more and tried when he was hungry. No chance. Screams.
I'm not sure what to do. Work tomorrow. I was determined not to start weaning until 6 mths, but if he won't take milk from a bottle, maybe I can mix it with rice or veg during the day to get it into him. Any advice?
My Sis said her midwife said that a baby will not accept bottle and breast, it's one or the other. But that's not true, is it? northern you are managing to combine feed, aren't you?
I got quite upset about it all earlier. I don't want to stop breastfeeding. (probably subconscious "back-to-work" anxiety too).

My four year old mix fed happily when I was browbeaten into it. It just depends on the child. Have faith, because at some point he is going to have to decide between stubbornness and a full tum:)

Air is having his first sleep over at his gp's tonight

its too quit, what do i do with the time, i miss him

oi, you won't get a full days milk allowance in through food, it's just too slow spoonfeeding that volume.

The midwive is talking bobbins: there are lots of stories about "nipple confusion" where baby rejects one method in favour of the other, but that's more obvious in early bottles where the Bfing hasn't really established (in the first 4 weeks). Sometimes giving bottles will male baby more "chewy" when back on the breast, sometimes not.

I'm sure msbuggy will drop in to chat too, but in the meantime you have the following options:

Get alternate bottles. So he doesnt take a tommee tippee? Try a Avent, a Dr Brown, a mam, or the hideously expensive but gadgetty Noomi.

Try alternative milk : I am NOT trying to push you to FF but it's an option: some babes won't tale mum's milk from anything but a real boob, but they will take formula. Avent/SMA.

Try just leaving baby with a selection of things for carer totry and getting text updates from who you're with: less upseting than phone as you won't hear if baby cries, and the carer can text you eg hourly to reassure you.
And do update here if you're worried (((hug))))

Thanks aethel. I'm being silly. He's taken a bottle before. And had formula before.
I have a complete selection of bottles and teats. And I've tried with formula as well as ebm.
We shall persist! We shall conquer!
In the meantime, he's had three teaspoons of baby rice. Maybe he'll sleep better tonight. (isn't that how it's supposed to work?!)

Sky has been asleep for hr or so already drank at least 4 x 7oz bottles today not had any baby rice tonight as been asleep.

Darcie has had a positive weekend too

Just watching The Voice. I'n the freezer I have pureed Apple, Pear, Apple & Pear, Apple & Parsnip, Sweet Potato & Swede. So far so good. Need to get some more Annabel Karmel Ice trays tho.

Oh Bob Oi, that is the last thing you need. I am mix feeding, and it's fine- your Sis's midwife is talking total crap. I should imagine that virtually every bf baby will have a bottle, either on a regular or ad hoc basis.

That's not going to help you though if BOi is refusing though, but at least you can take heart from the fact that he's had bottles before and isn't an out and out bottle refuser.

There is no need to stop bf'ing, unless you want to.

Second all of aethel's suggestions, and also wondered if you'd been present each time that he's refused the bottle? It may well be that he will take a bottle of formula or ebm if you're not around. My DS takes about 60-150ml of either if I'm feeding him, and never less than 200ml if DP is feeding him, I'm guessing as he knows/can smell/ykwim! that there's no alternative.

Really hope that it goes well tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll get hungry enough to relent.

And I'm sorry to hear your DP seems to be getting worse not better BJR, is it just verbally vile, or sulking? I'm glad you've got your family around to support you. I wonder if he's feeling really guilty and that's making him act badly- not exactly grown up, but not uncommon.

He should be supporting you, not ruining precious time with your DS. Hope it starts to get better soon.

We've watched football today. DP has done fine with DS, but not done housework.

We also had the bottle warmer land on Friday- it's been sitting in the package in the living room since then. DP is aware that tonight is the first night he'll be doing the feeds, and I have reminded him that he may want to get it out, and try it out, and maybe even- gasp!- install it in DS's room ready for tonight.

So it's still in the box next to my feet, and DS went down half an hour ago [continually exasperated emoticon]

Ah I would so love to be a fly on the wall when your DP is trying to figure it out half asleep and with a screaming baby, Northern

We've tried every combination. Gp's, nursery people, DP, all without me being there...
I'm going to take him to SIL at 7, feed him, leave at 7:30. Let her try everything and then collect him at 12. I'll go to mum's, feed him, and work in her study for the afternoon.
I've depleted my frozen ebm stash all this week trying to get him to take a bottle. This was not in the plan!
(apologies for the me, me, meism)

oi hope tomorrow goes well you have a plan at least if not.

Dh came home after 12.5hrs I asked him to hold lo and he jumped down my throat as "he'd only just got in the door" (well excuse my French I've been here all fucking day on my own while youve been indulging your fucking hobby and having fun so you can fucking well hold your son and show a fucking interest ) as punishment I made him do the bed time feed. Predictably it was a disaster he left him on change table without his nappy so he peed all over his clothes and needed a complete change, he then had him sat on his knee feeding him from behind so of course lo didn't feel comfy/comforted so didn't fall asleep like he usually does. In end I couldn't be arsed with dhs drama do took lo off him cuddled him in with the end of the bottle and he went straight to sleep.

Watching man vs food again to calm down and avoid argument.

Haddocks in mr bjr direction

We're going to need more fish >_

We are SO gonna need more fish! I am glad that I'm not putting my DP to the test, as I'm afraid I'd be buying shares in haddock stocks. Then again, we'll see if DP will start pulling his weight now I'm working again.
Am annoyed in solidarity with you ladies. Gahh! Men really do need great big kicks up their arses, do they not. Is it our fault, have we emasculated them to the point of gibbering jellyfish?
I shall endeavour to make BOi a real He-Man, in life, in work, and in the house!!
Hugs to all. X

LMF, that sounds like a fab title for the next thread!

All is (finally) quiet chez Aethel, poor DS really had it bad this afternoon. Dribble, chew, wail, feed, brief doze and repeat. His lower gum is getting boggy and those two little dimples in the gum make me afeard, just hope he's not a biter like my DD1 was!!

Have decided the formula once a day plan is a goer, going to buy a box of Aptumil next supermarket trip and then give it a try for a week.

And tonight is the First night in his big boy cot! It's squeezed into our room to stop DD2 singing him to death/stroking him awake. His cot has already mysteriously acquired two Teletubbies and a Hexapus to "help him sleep, mummy".

See you later nightshifters!

Hope it goes ok tomorrow Oi but sounds like you have a good backup plan. Hopefully he'll remember that he actually doesn't mind bottles and figure it out again, he's probably just building it up till the last possible minute for you!

Will throw you back a Haddock from my collection Figgy sounds like you need it too. DP has been like a petulant teenager but at least he'll leave me in peace tomorrow :)

Sounds like you're being patient with DP about the bottle warmer still in box Northern. I get impatient with things like that and probably would end up opening it myself!

I gave him a prod. However, the warmer will now have to be installed in another room for tonight AND he won't have given it a trial run before using it. If he ends up scalding himself at 3am he can drive himself to bloody A&E whilst the boy and I sleep. Should he scald the boy in any way I will direct the Police as to the whereabouts of his body parts when I've had some sleep.

Ah well, was worth a thought Oi. Sounds like you've got a good plan in place, and I bet he'll start taking it, if not immediately tomorrow then in a day or two. Good luck, and I hope it all goes OK.

There are no words figgy... You're bloody generous allowing him the time to go off and indulge in his hobby!

DS has been using DP's knee as a his chew toy today. He's been lying face down, gumming at the denim, and creating an almighty damp patch. Hope all goes well in the big boy bed for A aethel!

I am signing off with the night-shifters- DP will now be doing all night feeds for the upcoming 5 months as part of the whole SAHP/paternity leave package. I may be kind and do one night a week for him, see how we both get on! Crossing my fingers that you all get some decent kip tonight .

Oi I'm sure I've said it before but have you tried BFing with a bottle of EBM next to you, then when your DS start getting into the BF flick him onto the bottle? It can take a few goes but thats how I got DD1 to take a bottle at about 19 weeks after she had never had a bottle and completely refused DHs attempts.

DD2 was treated to some TLW today (much to my annoyance) when I went to eat biscuits turned my back for a minute and returned to find that DD1 had given her a spoonful of yoghurt, I tried to wipe as much away from DD2s mouth as I could and told DD1 off who of course didn't care as DD2 was beaming at her after tasting super sugary munchbunch.

Currently waiting for DH to come back from a fundraising dinner he got a discounted ticket to, may have to give in and go to sleep.

I just read through our last antenatal thread again. Now I'm all emotional and want to go again even though I was a total whingebag and held everyone up