Dec 08 Mums - Breech babies, bedtimes, boozing and Bikram

[KiwiPanda]

Um sorry about rubbish title

That HV is not fit for purpose!! Seriously what utter tosh. I BF DS and we all know about his behavioral problems

That is really shocking behaviour. You are not a loony parent, she is a loony HV! How weird!

Kiwi - I am of the leaving them to get themselves to sleep crew, but I have sat with DD1 before when she was ill or particularly weepy and sung to her to get her to calm down and go to sleep (poor dear, my singing isn't really up to much!). To be honest, I found it rather lovely watching her nod off, but I think that's probably because it's rare. The reality is, I don't have the patience to do it every night. We've been fairly hard with them and let them get on with it. If there's screaming going on, then I tend to pop in, calm whichever one it is, then leave them to it!

I had a bit of a prang yesterday with one of the mums at playgroup. Entirely my fault as I drove into her car to get into a parking space. Mortified. She was watching. I hopped out and grovelled! She couldn't have been nicer. She has a volvo, so hardly a mark on it. Ours has a scratch down the side. Bugger! I felt absolutely so embarrassed. But she's such a lovely person and we ended up arranging a playdate next week!!! A good outcome from an embarrassing start! Never mind. Thankfully I'd chatted to her before and have been doing my over friendliness to lots of people, so it wasn't a complete stranger!

I also rang 7.5k yesterday and my knees were knackered last night! However, they are feeling somewhat better today. But honestly, the way I was walking, you'd think I'd been the one to do a marathon! Kiwi - I'm going to sign up to a half marathon asap as well. Need to do a 10k or two as well, just to get myself warmed up.

Terrified at the thought of it, but need something to aim towards!

I think mine were roughly 1 and 3 when they started sharing, I had been going to wait untill dd was sleeping better but...well......after the first couple of nights ds could sleep through her and she slept through his terrors and growing pains etc. They enjoy it. For quite a while we had their beds pushed together like a double, it was lovely :) We moved them apart when ds wanted to try to ditch the night nappy and never got round to putting them back. Relly need to get going on the loft splitting else ds2 will end up in with them too!

Ds2 and dd slept so much better last night! Hopefully the snot is receeding, she is still too snotty for sleep test though plus dh now has man flu so probably can't take her for it anyway. Ds2 finished feeding so need to go change him and try to sort out some of the mess pile up of the past couple of days of being screamed at every time I tried to put him down.

Do you know, there's a part of me that thinks we should get the DDs sharing. They love eachother so much and DD1 is always asking for a sleepover. BUT they natter away and wake eachother at about 6, whereas, if they're in separate rooms, they can often sleep til 7.30 or so, if I'm very lucky. So, in a selfish way, I am going to keep them apart. DD1 has a lovely big bedroom now, so if I change my mind, I can always put them in together.

DH currently pushing for baby numero 3 and I'm so not ready! I love the relationship DDs 1 & 2 have and I really don't want to jeopardise that. A third, whatever the sex, would change the equilibrium. I always wanted 3, but now I'm not so sure. Ho hum.

I'd have them separate if I had the bedroom space Beans, much as they like it I think ds1 would love his own space sometimes! He will get it soon for a while but then he will have ds2 in with him. The loft is going to be split from one big room to a single room and a bigish open area for office and guests so dd will go up there and the boys share.

I kow what you mean about number 3 and the relationship of the big ones. Ds1 and dd do bicker like nothing on earth but they are also very close, they run around together and play together and form this little unit. I wonder how ds2 will fit in with that, will he always be on his own? Will he and dd be close and leave ds1 out?

It's funny, isn't it, Indith? I'm one of three girls and am 5 years younger than the nearest. I was always left out when I was little, but I didn't notice as I was very much the little one. My sisters went away to boarding school when I was 6 and I never really knew any difference. But now, my middle sister and I are very very close and I feel quite sad for my oldest sister, although I have a difficult relationship with her. I love her because she's my sister, but I don't particularly like her a lot of the time. And having seen that relationship of 3, it's put me off a bit. Especially if we had another girl. But if we had a boy, would he be terribly left out, because he's a boy! Ho hum. Who knows???

I am a little bit worried about the dynamics of three. I worry because there is 21 months between the boys. DS2 will be 3.5 when baby comes, plus she is a girl and the different dad thing. They will be going off every other weekend to stay with XH and obviously she wont be.

Yes, Kayz, I can see that would be a worry too. You'll just have to have another one as a pal for DD!!!!

xx

I guess it all comes down to their personalities and how they get on.As you say of your sister beans you lover but you don't like her. My sister is my only sibling and the same goes, I love her but we don't really get on so I guess it has nothing to do with how many of you there are or even the age difference once you reach adulthood.

Beans I am tempted by one more but not until I have forgotten how bloody horrible this pregnancy has been

On the popular parent thing - its completely being down to the one in short supply...DH is generally around more than I am and as a result, I am flavour of the month when I am about. Its especially pronounced if I've been away or working longer hours than usual. It flips around if I've been off work and told them off one too many times.....

Kiwi - I have to do the sitting to sleep thing. These days its about DS. He's actually pretty good at settling and falls asleep within 2 minutes of deciding he's going to settle, but he wants you to be there till he is out. DD was a whole other matter - she has always been horrible at settling down to sleep. I spent hours waiting around for her to sleep when she was smaller and we did also do the leaving her to scream thing and nothing much worked. Now she is older she will still take ages to settle, but is happy to sit in the semi dark leafing though books and stuff. If we're in with her she will chat, ask questions, whatever, in a desperate bid to fend off sleep, so eventually we need to go and leave her to get on with it. DD and DS have shared since he was tiny, so he's got used to sleeping through her antics....

Kayz - that HV is bonkers.

Sorry to come on here and hit and run. I do read on my mobile on the run, and know that lots has happened for many on here, I am just regularly failing get the chance to sit down and post properly. Its been a particularly tricky couple of months here, with DH and FIL getting to grips with the aftermath of MIL being gone whilst I've had to do a fair amount of work related travel (two trips to the US in the space of a few weeks) so I feel like I've not been as supportive and useful as I'd like to be. The summer is going to be babies galore with my bro and sis both expecting DCs and also DH's sis (in her case after 2 with a pretty big gap).

On the 3 DCs thing, I am one of 3 and have always loved it - with us it was a shifting thing, I'd be close to one for a while, then it would switch round so no one was left out in any serious way and actually we were all close to each other - we were known as the 3 musketeers. I'm pretty close to both these days. We're girl - boy - girl which probably helped. In a way everyone had their spot in the family.

Morning. Too much . Ugh. Actually too many cocktails but MN has yet to invent that emoticon (what are they THINKING?) Someone pass the

Kiwi I need a cocktail will have to do though! DS at pre school 3 days this week....3 days of being good. Apparently he keeps telling the teachers he is "a new boy". Furthermore, he had the nerve to tell one of the children off for snatching and said to her "we don't snatch, it gives me a sad face"!

Next week will be another story but today I am happy.

Ha Deidre no one can do self righteousness quite like a toddler who has recently been told off for said naughtiness..!

Hooray! It's nearly bedtime! Tomorrow I won't be hungover any more

Hilarious Dieds.

Hello guys, just popping on as have a moment....not been keeping up and not sure what I've got to say!

lalalala to the 3 talk. I am one of two and me and my bro have the same gap as DS and DD (same months for birthdays too), and me and my bro are very close. So i feel like my family is complete, DH is an only child so he feels like our 2 child family is pushing the boundaries so he's happy too. Trying to persuade him to have the snip

dieds hurrah for your "new boy" DS. hope it lasts....

kayz where the hell do you find these nutty HV round your way. That is astonishing!! Hope all is well, saw your cheeky baby is transverse, naughty girl.

hello hello to invis you are even rarer round these parts these days than me...

on favourites, DH is favourite round here. Even DD has started going "Where Daddy?". AND they see as much of him as me, so he must just be more awesome than me. This means he should do all bedtimes and mornings as he is better. Hurrah!

beans and jam and rubes and ANYONE ELSE do you fancy a meet up next Friday at mine? Was just thinking mini Beans was meant to come round and play with Eddie's trains, haha, sure she will be delighted.....Also realise that i get to Thursday every week and realise I am doing sod all the Friday following. (Can't do anything tomorrow though as DS appears to be a bit ill as of this eve).

On the falling asleep thing, I am blessed with good settlers, also mine would not go to sleep with me in the room. DD up at 5 this morning and though she was knackered she just lay in bed with me pointing at bits of my face and going "MOUTH!", "NOSE!" "EYES!", and wailing if I turned my back on her. DS worse, could never settle him with us he's either ready for sleep, dead to the world asleep or awake and raring to go. Definitely, am lucky though overall!

Sympathies on the hangover kiwi I had one on monday and it was hell....god I hate hangovers these days. Getting old. You are very enthusiastic about your running at the mo, you must be getting very fast. I am often getting dragged around by the boys at work on interval training and "threshold runs" i think it is making me faster but I am never going to break any records at this running lark.

SL I'm sticking my ears at the three talk too... DH would actually rather like one (suspect he'd hope for a boy after the two girls..) and I have agreed.. when we win the lottery. Though he did also once promise me I could have a cat if I had a third child, so there's temptation

Yeah am definitely getting a bit obsessive about running. Really want to beat my 10k PB on the run down in Poole (just over 2 weeks to go) and I actually dream about it now! Sad! Actually I also had one of those "oh god I've got exams really soon and haven't started revising yet" dreams last night - HOW many years since I had an exam to revise for and i STILL get those dreams?? Bonkers.

Morning,

I think you should all go for a 3rd!! Kiwi We have said we are going to get a cat soon. Is it some kind of unwritten rule that if you have a 3rd child you also get a cat?

SL Yes baby is transverse. She has gone from breech to head down and back round to transverse.

I had a pretty rubbish MW appointment yesterday. My normal MW had a student with her, which is fine, had them in previous pregnancies. Except this one did my blood pressure through my sleeve and said my blood pressure was 180/120!! She looked absolutely terrified, I was then scared about pre-eclampsia and ambulance to hosp and EMCS etc. Luckily normal MW said as I felt fine, urine was fine and I had no swelling they would do heartbeat etc first. So that is all fine except for baby has her head pretty much burrowed into my left hip.

2nd BP was 110/70 was crisis averted. I am measuring 38cm at 34 weeks though but that is to be expected. MW again mentioned that home birth does still depend on my 2nd growth scan but she said she would come and do my 37 week appointment at home to do the risk assessment thing.

Sorry that was a bit of a ramble!!

I wish you lot would stop running! You make me feel tired and lazy

Ah the joy of student MWs. Did I tell you all about the one who did my bloods? She bodged the needle, normal MW had her back turned doing my urine, my blood is pouring down my arm and onto the floor. Student turns to MW and sayd "shall I stop now?" Wonderful, about to retire highly experienced MW doesn't bat an eyelid just says "yes I think so, I'll take over now" and patches me up.

That'll be me soon

I have been for all of one run since ds2 was born. It felt great but not managed another one around dh's work and cluster feeding yet.

I want a cat. dh says I can have one when I'm earning money. The neighbour's kitten keeps coming inside to play so we'll have to make do with that.

There is a lot of snot and screaming in my house this week. A fair amount of it is mine. Dh has lemsip. I am very of him and trying to make do with lemonade which is not quite the same.

Typically ds2 has literally just finished screaming and fed to sleep but we need to go get the girl child.

Hello all. I had a grand total of 7 kids here yesterday with 5 adults. Was lovely fun, but I was, as ever, wiped out at the end of it. I am now nursing one of those horrible tight chests, with a pathetic strained cough every now and again. It's going to turn into a whopper, I suspect. Bugger. I've also just eaten too much banana cake. Bleugh.

SL - I'd normally say YES PLEASE to next Friday, but we're heading off to sunny climes on the Saturday, to Gaucin, so I think I'll need Friday to steady myself and get organised. Really sorry. Just feel there's so much to do.

It's really hard to find nice bikinis for little children. I just want one that they can run around in the just the bottom halfs, not the tops. Luckily have found old Jo Jo Maman ones these for DD1. Although DD1 doesn't need the nappy factor of them, they're really pretty. And their old ponchos still just about fit. Also went to buy them summer shoes. Got some really rubbishy ones that they can trash, then DD1 insisted on getting the most hideous white pair. these for DD2, these for both of them and these rank beasts for DD1!!! Her choice. The ones for both of them go in the machine and in the sea and will basically get totally trashed. Brill.

Wow, that was a shopping fest.

Off to look at animals at a local garden centre this afternoon. Can't WAIT!

Actually as ds is ill I had to cancel hosting NCT coffee morning this morning so have been asked to swap with next week and do it then...Have not said yes but prob should so maybe week after or one after that (I assume beans away the one after)

Doing sod all today as ds under the weather - he has had a 1.5 hr nap unheard of and I had a little sleep too!

Indith you will be great student midwife I am sure! I had the same student midwife a few times with dd. god she was soooo dappy. Everything was "duhhh I am not sure...oh yes,errr that eclampsia thing [or other notorious pregnancy problem she should know inside out...". Hope she got better!
My goodness beans those shoes are VILE. I was expecting something twee and pink but they are just gross!

Ah nothing like an afternoon spent picking eldest child up from school after he smashed his face up a bit, calming him with beebies, calpol and an ice pop so I could take a look, heading down to lovely dentist who squeezed us in, then to chemist for antibiotics after dentist declared teeth should be ok but he needs to make sure it doesn't get infected then back to school just as teachers are leaving to grab his glasses which we managed ot leave behind the first time. Phew!

Indith how is he now? Sounds really painful bless him.

DS2 has a place at nursery in September! He has been wanting to go since DS1 started, he adores the teacher. He will be so excited. I can't wait to see him in his little uniform Thank god I am having another.

I've just walked to town and back. I feel like death now, everything aches especially my hips. Dreading the school runs, I think I might be spending a lot of time sat on benches in town if it is sunny

I am hoping the walking is going to help baby move though. I am feeling a little annoyed with MW as she tells me I need to get baby to move round to head down but doesn't give me any tips on how I am meant to do it. I know I can ask on here and google it but it would be nice.

Yay Deids boy, long may it last

Was it FILs funeral this week Sybs? I hope it wasn't too difficult for you all and it was a fitting celebration of his life. And Invis, how is your DH doing without MIL?

DH often lies with DD1 til she drops off and it's possible I did too last night, for, umm, about 3 hours, as I dropped off too. She doesn't need it, and we didn't do it til she was in a bed, and then DH started to cuddle her to sleep because he could do now she wasn't in her cot. She doesn't need it, but always asks for a cuddle now, and so it is the root of most of our parenting disagreements as it is much harder now we have 2 to put to bed and it means it's longer before I can get downstairs and drink

Hurrah for curtain discounts Jam

What size are the BF tops Jump? I might take you up on your kind offer if they are still up for grabs, I'm currently wearing a size 14 (notice the hopeless optimism in the use of the word 'currently'). I think as DD2 approaches the nosy phase they could be useful for preserving my modesty!

Kayz what did you do in a past life, to deserve such loony HVs in this one?! Great news about DS2s nursery place

On three, I want another teeny baby and I want one NOW! But I know that's my hormones talking and in 9 months I'll feel very differently, if I were to get up the duff now. DH is pretty keen to stop at two, but I'm not sure yet, the thought that these could be my last baby days makes me very sad. Although I'm sure the family dynamics would change, I wonder whether we'd notice them far more than the littles. I don't remember life before my sister came along (almost 4 years between us), so being one of two is normal to me. So I think being one of two/three/however many, would just be normal to the DCs in the long term.

Exciting auntie days coming up Invis

Beans that house full sounded exhausting. Saying that, DD is going to a party tomorrow and there will be approx 40 children (after school friends, friends' children and family) and then approx 40 adults for a post party BBQ. I hope the weather is reasonable, as her rules are garden only so we need to dress according to the weather!

How is DS1s face today Indith?

I've turned into super housewife this week - I've started following FlyLady's routines, as I really, really need to get a grip, and the house is looking fab already . Although the girls are neglected as a result. I'm sure it won't be long before I decide playing is more fun than cleaning, and the mess will return to its rightful place