The brookers post graduate thread

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We've got so good at brooking no argument for no pregnancy complications and sneeze births, we're going for our Phds in big fat babies

Pomme

I am often heard to mutter loud enough to hear very quietly 'you're welcome' when someone doesn't say thank you. And DS1 chased DH round the house yesterday because he didn't say 'you're welcome' when I said 'thank you' for something. So he's being trained well I think :)

Oooh, Scarlet, how exciting! Good luck!

Maia has not slept for longer than 30 minutes since 7.42 this morning . I was so hoping for a nap at some point today . She slept for 30 mins and I had just drifted into a deep sleep when she started to grizzle and woke me up again. I may have cried too at that point . I took her for a tramp around the field in the sling for 20 mins and she fell asleep, but then she woke up 5 minutes after I laid her in her pram, grr. DH is home now and he's jiggling the pram. We have silence at the moment - long may it last!

Pomme = Manners Police! Perfectly understandable, I think.

Come in, PetWoman, welcome! Congratulations on your DS. What is his name?

Scream, I find the little tiny tears the most upsetting . It's when M looks up at me with her little face all red and screwed up and there are wee baby tears in the corners of her eyes...

Sorry petwoman, nice to have you here. Why isn't your dh on the sofa?! This is no time to be NICE to the menfolk

Isn't it funny how fast your boobs refill? It's maybe an hour and a half since I last fed Bean after spending most of the day feeding, and my left boob in particular feels full again. Have just read that Wiki article re weight loss - was it Dream or Pomme who mentioned it? It made me feel better about the volume of baked goods I have inhaled today, anyway. I will start to eat healthily soon, I swear! after I have eaten every scrap of junk food in the house

Glad someone else has spent all day pinned to the sofa too! A has gone on a frenzy, dd1 has emptied most of the cupboards in the house during it...

All day feeding here too . Actually not always feeding but a very baby today. Wakes up every hour but he'd be happy with a cuddle the first two hours then it would be hunger every third one. not a fan of being out down at all today. Which is the same as last night. I guess I should expect more of the same tonight...

He's making my right nipple sore though. Seems to latch on ok and then goes back so he's chomping in the end. Am feeding now holding the back of his head in place to try and stop it. But it is already sore and isn't getting an opportunity to get better with him feeding more often. .

That makes it sound as if he wakes up has a quick cuddle and goes back to sleep - not the case - but wfatever has happened he'll wake up 1 hr after the last time he woke. That's what I mean

Okay - An hour of trying and A has stayed asleep in her cot for more than 5 mins... sshhh everyone!

I do that as well Too - when this cake/huge chocolate bar is gone then that's it. Until an hour later when I drag the girls to Tesco for more... We live just off the high street and it's bad for things like that.

Biscuits - the no put down thing is sooo infuriating! Especially this time round, trying to tame a rampant 2 year old CANNOT be done one handed!!

Dream - I keep meaning to ask about your dd, how's she getting on? I'm curious to know how's she is with the twins? I wonder if she feels differently with there being of them? I hope she's doing well anyway!

Pomme I was wondering that exact same thing about Dream's dd just today! And how she's doing with her own going to sleep in amongst the twin craziness?

And yy to trying to tame an older child one handed - completely impossible!

well, I can do the rolled-up-carpet while wearing one twin in a sling. Sadly not worked out how to get them both in yet, so logistically this is still not perfect .

My DD is miles better now the boys are here. The super clingyness has disappeared, she's more relaxed and she's very sweet with the boys. She's still crying going to bed, but bar my first night home when I was upset and sore and she screamed like an actual banshee, and I had to sit in her room for an hour, an d both boys were screaming like they were being boiled in oil downstairs and I thought 'what have I done?!' she's been cryng for about 2 min only at bedtime. Thats been with me not doing it though, keeping both boys pacified (read- on boobs) downstairs :-( Hence I miss her. However, she has had a shed load of attention. As you know, I have diverted my help to taking her out for fun times and normal activities, 3 mornings this week we have gone to playgroups, all of us, and two we have gone to the playground. So she has not suffered/ waited in /waited round loads. When she starts to a lot more I think it'll be a different story, but I have put serious effort into keeping my PFB happy so far!!!!

I can't put either of mine down. I wear one, whoever's with me wears the other in slings, or I'm feeding both, wearing one and carrying one (actually easier to carry DD wit head control!), carrying two or I'm tolerating screaming feeding one unable to grab the other. Total pain.

Just grit your teeth ladies and denounce growth spurts! Good feeding. biscuits, I'm sore on both nipples fro constant feeding, and if I'm not feeding I'm pumping. If you get any good ideas, do share! I don't even get a chance to get lansinoh on. And I have had to wipe down and run bath, feed DD, open door and make lunch with a baby on the boob while the mothers help lady pacifies/changes other twin/occupies DD today. Seems to have given me a sore neck?!

Seeing as I have about 2 seconds a day when my boobs are not required I don't know what to do to make feeding more comfortable?? Think the sore neck could be from crap tandem feeding position??

Oh- and blimey, good work pomme on A being asleep in her cot! Gold medal to you.

And I have had to wipe down and run bath, feed DD, open door and make lunch with a baby on the boob while the mothers help lady pacifies/changes other twin/occupies DD today. Seems to have given me a sore neck?

Bloody hell Dream - you are in fact wonder woman. How the flip do you feed standing up? I struggle to feed on the sofa instead of my favourite chair . And I have no idea how you hold two babies without head control.

Tell you what, people who have twins and then a Singleton must think it's a piece of piss!

Lasted 25 mins and then exactly as tea came out if the oven she went into huge meltdown mode. Now asleep on dh and screams if he moves..

I think maybe injections on Monday? We've had a few meltdowns this week which is unlike the past 8 weeks! Can't remember this with dd1 post injections though? Anyone?

Glad to hear your dd is doing good dream you will get more time with her soon. You're doing so so awesome getting out so much!!

We ended up giving her calpol...

M fell asleep on me at 8.50. DH put her down in the pram 3 minutes ago (ie, at 9.10 when I started writing this!) and boom! Popped awake. DH is jiggling the pram...No jabs here though, so it must just be a growth spurt. I am sad because she slept heaps yesterday with all the driving we did, plus a nice long nap in the afternoon, and I couldn't take advantage of it because of stupid doctor's appts and baby clinic and because I was driving while she slept. Today when I could sleep she won't!

Dream, I've said it before and I'll say it again. You are astounding. Can you put Lansinoh on your nipples even if you know it'll be sucked off a few minutes later? I think it helps even then. Makes them slightly less parched-feeling. Or nipple shields if you're really cracking? I know they are frowned upon but perhaps desperate times call for desperate measures. I don't mean you should wear them all the time, but just every now and then to give your nipples a chance to heal. On the posture thing...mmm...you've got a special pillow, don't you? How's that working out?

The last 20 mins of pram-jiggling have not resulted in a sleeping baby. She keeps wailing just when DH thinks she's asleep. Welcome to my world!

too, no matter how comatose mine look when asleep on you they both wake up when put them down...anywhere. its so depressing isn't it?! Blooming babies.

To be fair, while wiping bath the baby got knocked off the boob do got put on the floor briefly! Have put a pic of feeding Ben on for your entertainment biscuits, will remove soon, sure bf pics shouldn't be shared online?! Debated one of tandem feeding for advice but its probably a bit too exposed...

I'm so annoyed with dh. Got Seb asleep on the boob, finally, and had Ben on other one so dh took Seb, then f*ing put him down so guess what? Screaming baby. FFS. So I had a paddy at him and he's banging on about being tired. After an uninterrupted midnight-7am in bed as I kept the duo as quiet as possible all night. Divorce, no?!

And she's up again...

Dream, the only thing I can think of for your sore neck is to get your DH to massage your shoulders as you feed. Think that's a goer?

Dream it doesn't look too bad, supporting their feet may help whilst feeding like against your thigh or a pillow. Also you are looking lovely and slim already! :)

Also nipple shields might not be so bad if you get the right size, in shops they are usually a large size, you can get medium etc off the internet and the work a bit better. If your milk is abundant and used occasionally for a couple of feeds it might be ok. I have dropped the mights in as ideally you would try them whilst having support from a bf counsellor or lactation consultant. Did you see the LC?

Can one of you post a link to wiki bf diet thing you were talking about?

Oh and >

Have you picked tour dress for the wedding yet pomme? I didn't make it to bf group with the LC. Will have to be next week. Was so nearly ready, then got mega-vommed, changed me and baby, then the other pooed and we'd have had 5 minutes with the LC before the end of the session by the time we were finally ready so abandoned. What can I do about Ben- he has been fretting and screaming and arching backwards. We can't settle him, he seems to want boob but when you try and latch him on he just fusses with nipple with open mouth and can't. They both do it actually but Ben worse, they just seem too windy and colicky to latch on at all. Tried the obvious- more winding- but no joy. I'm so frustrated... (Am sitting down with Ben's feet on a cushion feeding now)

Err, sorry, meant purple in my last post. Even I can remember your wedding experience is over pomme!

Here Purple. There is hope!

Right, have put M back in pram.

Oooh, missed your last post, Dream. Am v impressed with the feeding standing up. One-handed, too! Grr, DH kept doing that to me too in the early days, putting the baby down when I knew perfectly well she'd just wake up again. Plus the moaning about being tired despite sleeping for 7 hours thing.

This dress, much nicer in flesh hides tummy and pulls apart for boob access :)

Dream without seeing I can't really say... My first thought straight off however, is could it be thrush? Any nappy rash? Whiteness in mouth? Do you have pain for awhile after feeding or have cracks that aren't healing?

Or could be a fast let down or fast flow of milk. Try and see the LC, can you ring them as they might do home visits?

Have you tried biological nurturing?

I am so sure you will get through, you are determined and doing so well :)

Wow, can't keep up at the mo I'm just too tired!

Just wanted to say that Dream is officially a god. No mere mortal could do what you do. I sincerely hope it gets easier for you as soon as poss, and I'm sorry I have no practical advice. Sending heaps of No Brooking and hero-worship your way though.

Big hugs and No Brooking to everyone who's having trouble settling babies. I am avidly soaking up all the advice offered to help with this, I think I'm going to need it!

My family have been absolute stars today, I feel guilty for complaining about them before. They couldn't have been more helpful today!

It's our first night at home and my milk is coming in. Should be an interesting night. (Tries not to cry as Autumn latches on - my nipples are soooo sore for the first minute of every latch!)