The brookers post graduate thread

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We've got so good at brooking no argument for no pregnancy complications and sneeze births, we're going for our Phds in big fat babies

Yes, as I said it was a lot of effort with DD getting the routine going. I was so tired I was determined to get there and reclaim my evenings. Did the whole no noise/ no distraction, have a feed and try and settle after the bath at a fixed time. Lots of times I was stuck upstairs for 4-5 hours feeding/jigging/ settling but after about 2 weeks we had it. No way that can ever happen now with the babies, will we EVER get a routine!? So in.theory I agree with your dh but only for dc1.

The boys are both colicky. My nerves are shot by continual crying here in the evenings where nothing, but nothing, calms tthem.

Thanks for the reassurance about the feeding biscuits. As I'm already topping up with ebm I.don't think it'll be the magic answer anyway to ff. Tonight they wouldn't feed anyway, seb wouldn't take the bottle (Ben drank the lot!) They just cried and cried and cried some more :( :(

That's what I noticed last time pomme! Very disappointed with the bf diet til three months. Amazed wiki agrees though :) It'll happen

Ahem.

Excuse me, ladies? I am sitting on the sofa feeding DS (first baby, born 31st March) who was fast asleep in my arms not long ago but woke within minutes of being placed carefully in his pram.

I have to confess that I've been following your thread for some time but felt that you were a well-established group who might not have room for an intruder. But I've found motherhood rather harder than expected after a very straightforward pregnancy and would really value your support - please don't send me away!

I think I'm destined for another night on the sofa with my little boy... So can I join the night shift?

Come on in and make yourself comfy m'dear . There's always room for more Brookers - the more the merrier in fact. Especially those that bring glittery matchsticks - I think I need some of those!

So your littl'un is what? 4 weeks old? It tough isn't it getting used to everything.

Dream 2 colicky babies at once is just not fair. I just don't know what to suggest . I'm guessing you've tried all the remedy type things? I think the general consensus seems to be amongst colick sufferers that Infacol is a bit crap. Have you tried gripe water or anything? I forget if there is a minimum age for GW though? The only thing with colick is that it is just a phase, just a bloody long one potentially. They will get better.

Oooh, oooh, oooh! . What about cranial osteopathy? Isn't that supposed to help with colick a bit? Even if you could get one of them to improve it would help? Might be at least worth a google?

On the DC1 routine we had similar with DS1 in terms of a few many weeks of pain to get him TK settle at night but trying something v similar to you Dream. Feed, bath, feed the other side, bed in pram, jiggle for bloody ages until he fell asleep. And gradually the jiggling took less time until no pram jiggling required. But it took some time before we could eat our dinner at the same time .

Oh and Dream I hope my last post didn't come across as trying to teach you to suck eggs. I know you know all that stuff, I was just having a brain dump I think.

I feel poorly sick tonight too -- and might have wept a bit when ds2 has woken up every hour. I realise this is nothing to what you're going through Dream but I just felt so knackered and DH was snoring instead of being gobsmacked at how amazing I was being for getting up even though I had man-flu

PetWan?????

Stupid autocorrect!

Even my iPhone hates me today!

Obviously I meant PetWoman!

Oh and Dream I literally can't believe you're finding time to express too!! If I didn't think you were superwoman before I know it for sure now!

You. Are. Amazing.

Fact.

biscuits, man flu is a very serious condition (ask pomme's dh!) and should never be combined with hourly wakings. You poor thing. Well done you for not waking dh to join the tears (& what? Having a weep most evenings and after all extended night feeds isn't the norm?! Oh. )

It's a total nightmare finding time to express... Didn't manage it today and used up last of my ebm tonight pressure on for tomorrow

Welcome petwoman, make yourself comfy.

Sorry, pre emptive post, nearly dropped a whingey baby.

Petwoman, come along and join the battle to tame our babies, be they number 1, 2 or 3. We will beat the little beasts angels into evening routines, 4 hourly feeding (to do biscuits mother/mil proud) and most of all, out of colic...

biscuits, 4 weeks for gripe water. Mine are 3 weeks 2 days, surely ready to try?! Infacol seemed to do sweet FA so i stopped. I re started tonight in desperation just in case. I Googled cranial osteopathy. They weren't vb, so don't have wonky heads etc but maybe worth a bash, but so far its a drive to get there, not available near me unless Google doesn't know of one near me?

Welcome PetWoman! Good to have you with us!

Dream I'm sending lots of big hugs and No Brooking your way, you poor thing! This too shall pass, this too shall pass, this too SHALL pass!

I know it's nothing in comparison with Dream's situation, but right now Autumn is having her first cry and I just feel like it's all my fault! She's been so peaceful up until now, letting anyone hold her or change her, taking it all in her stride. She occasionally squawks but she hasn't cried at all until now. After a full day of feeding, ending with at least an hour of continuous feeding earlier this morning, she's managed to completely drain me on both sides (my proper milk hasn't come in yet). Since then she's been frantically searching for food and is now really wailing for the first time. It's as though her heart is breaking! She can't understand why nothing is coming out, and I can't explain it to her! It's ridiculous but I feel like I've let her down, I feel like I can't provide for her in such a basic way!

I know it's just my hormones kicking in, but hearing her properly cry for the first time is really upsetting

There's nothing to be done of course, other than wait. Sorry for the whinge!

It's exactly her looking for food that will make your milk come in (I think) and get your supply going. It's awful though - the cry goes right through you doesn't it - straight to your heart.

You haven't let her down though it anything of the sort - stick Roth it and your milk will get there. Incidentally you've done amazingly to get to day 2 without her crying! You must be doing a supremely awesome job!

How are you feeling in yourself? How's the CS wound and the hips doing?

'Scuse typos - one handed posting with baby

It really does feel like her cries are going right through me Biscuits! Just as you described!

My cs wound is a bit stingy, and limiting my lying down options in more ways than I had hoped. Fingers crossed the awkward lying positions haven't affected my hips though. I won't really know for some time, I'm grateful they're not hurting at the moment at least.

Apprehensive about going home today! Seriously considering if waiting an extra day is advisable. Need to find some stairs to try out!

Dream how did last night end? Any respite? You're doing such an amazing job, my mind literally boggles when I think about surviving even one day in your shoes! You're still my hero!

Scream has your DH put your bed back upstairs and things now? Deffo have a go on some stairs and are how it goes and if you're in any doubt stay in another day. 2 nights isn't long to be in after a CS, lots of places would want you in for 3 nights at least I think wouldn't they?

Dream might it be worth asking the HV re the cranial osteopathy? She might know someone not on t'internet? Or someone at a baby group or a bf counsellor or someone?

Oh. The night is definitely over then? Well, I absolutely couldn't face any more crying so I did not wake any babies. Of course this meant I was up at least every hour. Sigh. And poor DD shouting to get up, then waiting patiently, then shouting and I'm stuck with babies feeding...

scream the only thing worse is colic IME. Their crying is designed to destroy you!! DD didn't cry for three days, was lovely then it all changed

No words Dream, just a big hug xx

DS2 is the same as his big brother, he saves up all his loudest most piercing cries for nappy change. ok if it's a quick one but if it's a 3 nappy job where they wee all over themselves it's hard to concentrate.

i reckon DS2 is more advanced than his brother though, he's learned to suck his thumb already. it took DS1 till about 10 weeks to work it out. DS2 kind of gnaws at his fist till the thumb comes out then sucks really loudly. it makes me to see him!

bit of a feedathon last night, and we had DS1 up at one point as well.

Scream you will still be making milk, she just might have to work harder for it. The emptier your breasts are the more active milk making they do. You are doing so well! Take it easy lots of skin to skin fwiw I found with DD more guests made her really unsettled, all they want is to be with Mummy. If you are feeling hormonal I reckon your mature milk is on its way! Yippee!

Dream perhaps try colief? It has lactase in which helps digestion? I haven't used it myself but I know people who have. You are doing so well too and it will get easier. :) Did you see the Lactation consultant? Cranial osteopath, paediatric chiropractors are supposed to be very helpful :)

Welcome Pet you are more than welcome :) Now the very serious question is have you restored the boy girl pattern? Can anyone work it out? How are you getting on?

Sorry I haven't posted much, just RL has been crazy! I have lurked though I usually come on the computer when bf and I get frustrated typing with one hand :/ I also want you all to know you can pm me, I usually check emails regularly, so should get back to you fairly quick with the bf queries.

Oh lots of chocolate and cake eating here! +cheese toasties as they are quick but not so good for the waistline!

I think it would be fair to say last night was not generally a good night in Brookersville was it !

Anyone for tea and bacon sarnies?

Urgh. Feel yuck this am. DD1 up at 6 post a night of lots of baby feeding/vomming as she is snotty AGAIN.

DD1 being a sweetie and i can't be arsed to do anything other than stick her in front of the tv.

Was planning soft play today but now feeling scared.

DH feeling hard done by because I'm mad at him for being ill but its just that its always something when I'm pg/with a newborn that makes it all about him. arch.

dream you are my hero i feel bad moaning when you have two of them!

scream i always try to remember that even if they don't stop crying they are comforted by their mamma's arms so you are always helping.

Just a quick post to say I will hopefully be joining you on here for the night shift tomorrow night.

I'm being induced this afternoon. Full story on the PSEPP thead if you can be bothered

See you on the other side! x

Go go Scarlet!!! Induction happens when the drugs work - can be quickly can be slower... Your baby's birthday could still be 27th April..

Now Im going to be on tenterhooks for news all day!!

great news scarlet, look forward to hearing about babyScarlet soon. :) :)

Eeek very exciting scarlet fingers crossed it goes smoothly

scream how are the visitors? Do you need biscuits and I to come around to have words?!

Oh wow scarlet, fantastic! Hope its a breeze. I've heard induction for second or more time mums is much better. So excited your Lo will be hear soon.

Brooking you have no visitors scream . I'll come too to see 'em off, I seem gifted at histrionics recently... [ blush]

I shouted at a woman in the street today

She was being a bit of a demanding cow but still, not normally something I'd do! I shouted at her for not saying thank you though so maybe a good lesson for dd1??!!