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December 2011 - crying and grizzling (and that's just the mums!)

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seven77 · 20/02/2012 17:38

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DeterminedandSpecialMum · 04/03/2012 19:07

Thank you everyone

4Madboys thanks for you reply. Hope you post too.

I know I need to keep an eye on myself. My home life is just hard work at the moment Sad

DeterminedandSpecialMum · 04/03/2012 19:10

DP thinks because I'm getting annoyed with Darcie and then interfering when he's trying to discipline her it gives him the right to talk to me in that way. I know I'm not perfect and I know I do it but not intentionally to annoy him. I'm supposed to be enjoying this time with Sky being a newborn but I'm not tbh.

jigglebum · 04/03/2012 20:09

Evening ladies

dsm just wanted to say that I can sympathsise with having an unsupportive DH/oh as mine can be similar, and frequently criticises or undermines my parenting (I have to play bad cop to his good cop frequently - easy to be nice and just play when you only see them 1 hour a day and only "job" is the bath, nothing else).

I also nearly lost the plot yesterday evening - DS was being a nightmare (playing daddy off against mummy), freya wanted feeding again, the kitchen is still incomplete and needed clearing up and DH was being an arse. Something had to give and sadly I have decided that feeding freya as frequently as I was and her then crying again for more within an hour or two was adding to the stress and I am moving her over to bottles. already today she has been a lot more settled. I cried quite a few tears over it last night (with no sympathy from DH), feeling like a failure of a parent, but I am feeling much better about it today. Helped by having a nice day today (pub lunch and walk with my parents) and DS and freya have both been great. DH is still being an arse but what I wanted to say and the point of this post dsm is reiterate that the first year is hard on any relationship and keep reminding yourself that it does get easier. This is my mantra when DH is annoying me again ( and that is most days at the moment sadly)

DeterminedandSpecialMum · 04/03/2012 20:21

Jiggle Thanks Smile hope your DH isn't an arse for much longer x

NorthernChinchilla · 04/03/2012 20:38

You know the rule jiggle- whatever works! I'm glad Freya's been more settled and hope that you continue to feel better, with or without your DH's help.

seven77 · 04/03/2012 20:49

. Sorry but you were warned, you are NOT a failure. You're a great mum because you care. Who is making you feel like a failure, is it Darcie or your DP? You need support not abuse, I agree about setting ground rules so she gets the same discipline from both of you. Seriously, does your DP think he's helping the situation by threatening to chuck you all out on the street? If all else fails give us your address and we'll all come and him :o

Still no luck with the car, we're hoping it's just the battery though. DH has borrowed a charger so he's charging the battery tonight. He said it stalled when he got home last night and he didn't think anything of it, he's now wondering if it died. It's only an extra £300 we need to find if we can't fix it as its a heap of crap 10 years old, they wouldn't give us much for it, not the point though.

Plans for the week:
Monday - see my friend and her DS. Cancel DS's drs appointment as the lump on his neck has gone down, must have been a gland.
Tuesday - should walk to the library if it isn't raining.
Wednesday - new car!
Thursday - test new car by driving to Norwich to go shopping, and buy DS a teaching clock as he constantly asks what the time is, must mean its the time to start teaching him.
Friday - solar panels being fitted.

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plutocrap · 04/03/2012 21:43

DD is finally asleep upstairs, after having started the Dreaded Sleep Regression (nothing to do with, as DH accuses me, the wine I've been supping over the last few nights - my DM came to stay). Meanwhile, DH has been doing a lot of sleeping like a baby before a DSR phase (snoring on the sofa, no feed required: frequent, unshakeable sleeps, and up all night!)

I had a phone call earlier today from someone I used to do some work for, and it was really good to be remembered, and to chat about what could need doing, all the while with DD in the sling in front of me! Despite the sleep difficulties, she is sweet, and, my, is she growing: I did the changeover to 3-6m clothes this weekend! The only 0-3 things left are her trousers, as she still has little legs. Smile

I'm biting the nails, as I have not had a single successful painless attempt with the clippers. Poor love.

Blimey, MissRee, what a pain to have to go through, without your usual buggy! I twicehad one repaired through Mothercare, and the experience varied enormousy between the 2 different shops. Definitedly avoid the Saturday staff when picking up! You'll get through more than one feed cycle if you do that! (Mind you, the second time I did a fix, the shop was brilliant.)

LMF, isn't a mullet a fish? Haddock for the hairdresser, not mullet! (Glad to hear that being busy has distracted you from feeling low). How is Edward now? What did the OOH doc say?

Speaking of haddocking, Kate, I was copping out of some feeds in the early days, to give my nipples and self a rest. By now, i should think supply was well enough established to skip a feed without drastic loss of future supply (otherwise, what thehell would happen when/ if a baby unexpectedly slept through?!)

hawthers, try to kill two birds with one stone: burst the milk boil and squirt H with the resulting rush! Perhaps it will have even formed a sort of mozzarella hailstone, which would give him a goodshock! Grin

AirofHope, hope you're feeling better!

msbuggywinkle, which Torchwood series is it?

Re television: There's a lot of CBeebies on here at the mo, keeping DS busy while I feed (he's just told snoring DH that he "can't hear Chuggington"!); it's horrible to contort myself to read to him asI feed. When DS was small, we watched tv on mute with subtitles!

Determined, why is DP still shouting at you? Haven't his ears been burnt off his head, at all we've been saying?! Even you have been telling him he is being nasty : that sounds rare enough for it to be a serious shot! As for you thinking; "He's a fantastic dad why am I such a failure" - er... NO! He is being a twat, and as I said above, everyone can become a better mother with support. Knocking you down knocks everyone at once - can't believe he is being so pig-headed. Angry
What girls said about her niece's also having "zones" of bad behaviour made me wonder whether it really is insecurity: behaving well where she knowsshe won't get away with anything worse, and being a - pardon the Polish - little shit in the environment in which she doesn't think she can lose anything, bevcause you will love her "no matter what". I'm not quite sue how to deal with that, tho', as it's too harsh to threaten such a young child with loss of love, yet it would be helpful isshe thoughtabout the consequences for your feelings!
-oops, x-post with msb!

Honey, as for D(?)P's trying to make you feel a failure, he's not doing that too well, is he, since offering to hire in cleaner and childminder only mean he's saying he's incompetent to do those things himself, don't they? Wink

Oops, expensive indeed, figgygal, but that sounds a good decision about the filling.
What's wrong with the car, seven?

Had a good smirk at the "fart catching," jigglebum! And your DD's naivete about the "cute willy",itsybitsy. Hehehehe Hold on to those things when H is being an arse!

P.S. mopsy, congratulations on your hangover! I do mean that; it is fun to rebel every now and then, and if we weren;t "hard" enough to take it before we became mothers, we certainly are now! (speaking of "hardness", aethelfleda, I can't understand why you were nervous about getting to and from the wedding: of course you were going to manage it! Smile)

So sorry I haven't caught up with everything, but I have been working on this post for a couple of days, and although it would be arrogant to imagine anything I said would make anyone feel a lot better, I do want you to know I think of you all! Smile

Coolhand · 04/03/2012 21:46

I can't keep up with thread! Everytime I catch up and am about to post, lo demands my attention!

DSM agree with above posts completely. Your partner's outbursts really aren't helping a very difficult situation. Perhaps try calmly explaining the impact his comments have on you - when you say x, it makes me feel y and that impacts my confidence as a parent - easier said than done in a heated situ, I know. An external person to sit and chat it through with could be really helpful.

Well I had a mini meltdown yesterday and I only have one! After lots of tears and one scream (and this was me not lo!), I put us both in car, drove and phoned my mum. All better today after some sleep - it is amazing how irrational sleep deprivation and a fractious baby can make you! We had lots of fun today and yesterday seems miles away - it's funny the difference a day makes!

OiMissus · 04/03/2012 21:47

Hello all, dsm you sound so down, I hope posting here helps. You've been given some good advice to help talk things through without getting too emotional. Which is all good. ...if I were to deal with it with emotion, I'd say "whose kids are they?!?" how can he say he'd kick you and the girls out? In reply, I'd say "yeah, you're right. Life is easier without them. I can't be arsed either. Let's put 'em up for adoption. You don't want the responsibility, and i didn't agree to having them alone. Let's call it a day." why does he think he has a choice to walk away. He doesn't! He's responsible for 2 kids!!!! Grrrr!
You aren't a failure. You're a parent!
Sorry.,emotional post. But ...grrrr!!!
Anyway! northern I really need to dig out that purple book. Smile
Seven -good plan

My plan:
Have more practice doing my hair so it looks like how the hairdresser did it.Confused
Monday: baby massage (express in between feeds)
Tues:baby cinema (express)
Weds - Friday :global team meeting - I'm holding it here in Bolton. We usually try to do them in interesting places where we have offices or factories, but this time it's practical for me.
My team are dying to meet Alistair so I hope they'll forgive me. In 2010 I brought them to Manchester so they could come to my wedding. (We got married in a castle Blush so the American lady in particular was absolutely gaga!)

Coolhand · 04/03/2012 21:48

Wow Pluto - epic post! I'm in awe...

plutocrap · 04/03/2012 21:48

it would be arrogant to imagine anything I said would make anyone feel a lot better

Except for this. This is lots of fun, and will make everyone smile! Smile

I particularly like: "WWYD: My dad keeps stealing my nose, should I report him to the police?"

There's another one somewhere, from the point of view of babies trying to train their mothers not to even think about Sleeping Through. I'll post a link when I find it.

aethelfleda · 04/03/2012 21:53

Evening all

Grrr to those unsupportive partners: hang in there ladies and keep posting. You are doing a great job in the face of adversity!

Had a laidback day with friends visiting: played board games and nattered, DDs various stages between angelic/boisterous/ok
throughout the day, DH gave DS his first "taste" of formula
(2 oz only in a bottle) as he's 8 weeks and I have a friend who wanted to mix feed at 6 months and her baby just would not touch formula at all, so with the DDs we gave them a trial bottle at this point to see if they would take it. He seemed OK with it: will do the same in a week or two so that when we do move over to mixed feeding it will be nowt too new for him. Have expressed the amount he took to keep my supply happy, now off to bed as DS conked a bit early tonight so I may not have long...

seven77 · 04/03/2012 22:03

coolhand what was the meltdown over? The best thing is definitely to get out.

plu I'm not surprised that post took a couple of days, rather epic! Someone drove into the (parked) car about a year ago in the middle of the night, we got up to find the front bumper on the drivers side completely smashed in. We were only insured third party, the bumper was replaced but there was no other obvious damage. Since then it's been gradually behaving more oddly, the engine carries on running quietly for a few seconds after its switched off, the air con works when it wants to regardless of whether you want it on or not and the engine makes worrying noises, which for the last fortnight have been terrifying when it reaches 60! It sounded like just a flat battery but DH had then been driving it when it stalled so can't see how it could be flat.

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plutocrap · 04/03/2012 22:08

seven, my FIL is always going on about the timing belt. I'm not exactly sure what it does, but he seems to think that if that goes wrong, everything goes to hell. Could that have been affected? Or some piece of electronic gizmotry - located far from the point of impact, but jarred nevertheless?

seven77 · 05/03/2012 00:10

plu no idea! It's a diesel, does that make any difference? If its anything more than the battery it'll probably cost close to the £300 taking it to the garage anyway.

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aethelfleda · 05/03/2012 02:58

seven it's 3am and I have mush gor brains, but if the battery's flat despite driving, there's athingy in the engine called (I believe) an alternator: this is the part that enables the battery to be recharged through the motion of the car wheels. So if your Alternator goes tye battery will flatten despite you driving. If its that I don't think they are very expensive to fix. The other thing would be a "trickle charge" somewhere:some electrical item in the car eg your a/c has gone a bit haywire and is constantly draining current (but if it was that I'd expect the flat battery after not driving it for a week rather than while the car is in use). Hope it's patchable anyway!

oh and quick straw poll. dH is snoring like a small warthog. Do I elbow him???

plutocrap · 05/03/2012 03:13

Whew! Have just got DD to drain a massive and massively uncomfortable boob; her feeding frenzy of the past few days has abated very abruptly.

aethel, does spooning and stroking work? I find DH will shut up ifthere is some such external stimulus. Definitely knee/elbow hm if it gets worse, though!

Grin at midnight techie discussions amongst us!

LittleMissFlustered · 05/03/2012 04:20

If he will not roll over I'd definitely elbow him aethel

hawthers · 05/03/2012 05:40

V impressed with the car maintenance advice in the small hours Grin

Forgot to set my alarm to wake f to feed and he and I just slept for 4 hours - Bliss. That is the longest i've slept in 10 weeks.

dsm hope you are doing ok. DH and I sat down for a heart to heart on Saturday and actually managed to talk without bickering for once. It has put us back on a more even keel.

Hopefully your DH was just being flippant in the heat of the argument and although his words were hurtful they didn't carry any weight. You are not a rubbish mum. You are doing your best in very difficult circumstances. I agree with whoever it was who aid that darcie is possibly 'saving' her difficult behaviour for home because she feels safe to do so. DS1 did this when he started nursery and would just go ballistic on us. It did get much better with consistent handling from DH and I so second the suggestion of sitting down with your DH and agreeing how to handle bad behaviour. I find it helpful to remember that if darcie didn't love you she wouldn't be so horrid. It will get better in some time I'm sure (hmm I think I should really take my own advice sometimes).

hawthers · 05/03/2012 05:41

aethelfleda definitely give your DH a little slap tap

DeterminedandSpecialMum · 05/03/2012 06:49

I've tried to sit and talk to DP but he thinks I'm trying to provoke an argument as far as he is concerned he can do no wrong Sad so doesn't want to talk - no point (his words).
Why is Darcie punishing us? She won't tell us why she behaves this way. I'm physically & mentally shattered.

aethelfleda · 05/03/2012 07:16

No need for elbowing, a gentle prod to shoulder and DH turned over.

DSM, it will not be deliberate/vindictive at dll on Darvie's part. Children this age get into patterns of behaviour, and children with really actual crap mums (not you!!) are often excessively "good", quiet and passive : because being naughty gets them hit/starved/abused. So I agree that her sounding off at home is a sign thst she is secure there BUT it's a total arse that you have to deal with it with a less than supportive partner. The CAMHS refferral is worth ringing to be broughtfgorward; play the small baby at home card maybr, and see if you can get DP to attend with you as the CAmhs team prefer the whole family there if at all possible. Kerp posting here, and good luckxx

aethelfleda · 05/03/2012 07:19

Sorry for all typos! Dd1 is making poorly throat noises so may be a rare day off school for her....

DeterminedandSpecialMum · 05/03/2012 08:40

Thanks Aethel I've made an appt to see my GP as it's not right feeling like crap

Coolhand · 05/03/2012 09:06

Aethel I am so impressed at your car maintenance knowledge! Thanks also for the info on the baby signs DVD a couple of days ago - I can't wait to get it.

DSM - the phrase 'as far as he's concerned he can do no wrong' is a bit worrying as that is a very hard attitude for anyone to live with. Could perhaps an approach such as 'I'm sorry I criticised what you did - we both want the best for our children and neither of us will get everything right but I think it's important that we support each other through this difficult period and agree a common approach'. Sorry, that has just ignored the fact that he doesn't want to talk but refusing to talk isn't really fair on you or your relationship. DH and I agreed a while back that after an argument, we would both try to bring to the table first what we felt we personally had done wrong - that can be very hard to do (especially when you seem to be very much in the right here and are being treated in an unfair fashion) but it does make for a less defensive discussion - however if your partner doesn't want to admit any wrong or think about a constructive way forward for you both, it's hard to see what to do. Sorry, I have been quite useless! I just don't think you are being treated fairly at all - being in a relationship means you have to communicate! Perhaps the CAHMS referral is the answer as an external person can just help to put things on more of an even keel. Hugs.