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Sept 2008 - no witty title as we're too busy dealing with stroppy 3 yr olds.

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MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 17/02/2012 10:24

Hello all. Couldn't see a new thread so thought I'd do the honours. Sorry for rubbish title, I'm no good at witty! :)

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Becaroooo · 20/04/2012 07:07

meg Tell us more!!!! Now!!!! Smile

Got an appt with the gynae on weds and appt with the osteo consultant on weds...busy week next week!!!

mrsa Totally normal development wise for C to be in pull ups at night at her age! Ds1 was til he started school (in fact it might have been til he was 5) I had beavers in my pack (age 6-8) who were still in pull ups at night. They all get there in the end x

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 16:55

Starlight needs your help!

You lot seem to know about this iirc.

Baby is measuring big for dates. 35cm at 33 weeks. My BMI is 31.
Birthing unit want a GLucose test plus a scan.

What do I need to watch out for in all this? Don't want scan. Could do without GT.

Many Tia.

ninja · 20/04/2012 17:23

MrsA will be along soon I'm sure - she did a lot of research into this.

Hope you're OK - you could do without this :(

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 17:41

I've just started a thread about it. It's under this name but unfortunately reading it back to myself I look like an emotional vampire troll.

Becaroooo · 20/04/2012 17:44

why dont you want a scan star?

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 17:47

There's some research that links it to autism. Not good enough research to prevent me from having it at all, so did the 12 and 20 week one, but for something that isn't very accurate anyway I'd rather avoid.

Becaroooo · 20/04/2012 18:10

OK. But I think that testing for GA is really important if its suspected. (sorry)

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 18:12

No need to sorry. I'll try and find a way of testing glucose etc. Then hopefully won't need scan.

Becaroooo · 20/04/2012 18:14

can you get a test from boots or the like?

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 18:30

No idea Bec. No harm in investigating.

Just told DH. He's extremely stressed now.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 20/04/2012 19:38

Your name made me lol Star Grin

Sorry to hear of your woes. You could get a home testing kit and then find out what is going on with your glucose. Each PCT seems to have their own rules about testing. Some test 1 hour after food, some 2. Also their acceptable levels are different too. So not sure how you find out what the blood results should be. NICE guidelines maybe?

If you do have GD it is important that it is correctly diagnosed and controlled. Some people can control it under diet alone and others need insulin.

I personally would refuse scans, wrt estimating size they're not worth the paper they're written on- IMO.

What do you have against the GTT? Are you scared of getting in the system and the avalanche of shit that then comes your way? If you don't want to do the GTT, how about testing your blood sugar for say a week and then going from there? I personally think a weeks worth of results means more than a one off test, but I'm not a HCP so I may be completely wrong.

I should imagine that if you do have GD and/or a high BMI (is 31 high? Sorry I am clueless ), they would want you under consultant care and all the crp that that can bring. You would also have pressure put on you if you wanted a birth a HB, MLU or birthing unit.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 20/04/2012 19:40

debs - it sounds like we have the same oven Grin

ninja - you NEED to spill the beans .....!

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 19:45

Sorry everyone. It was a bit rude of me to just turn up here and launch into a plea for help.

Hope you're all doing okay. I try hard to keep up with you news but always feel guilty as there is always a 'problem' that should be receiving my attention that is temporary but then escalates Hmm and you lot seem like luxury in comparison.

ninja · 20/04/2012 21:03

Starlight - not rude to come at all. MrsA had very similar in her pregnancy and I'm sure she'll be here soon.

Well ILTMIMI - I joined an online dating agency before Easter, I was starting to get lonely and thought I had to jump in somewhere. Anyway I was giving up hope with the messages that came in and thought I should be more proactive. I started messaging someone last Sunday - quite a lot, the a long message Monsday, Tuesday, none on Wednesday so I thought maybe I'd blown it. Howvere, yesterday he asked if I wanted to meet up Grin . He sounds lovely - divorced but kids 6 and 7. Like the outdoors, sense of humour but also sensible.

I never thought it possible but we've just clicked with our messages. I feel like a giddy school girl :)

Not got a time or place yet but watch this space.

I've just come back from a film night (with a sicky kid :( ) but I've had a few drinks so if you ask me now I might post his profile for you to judge look at!

mamamuffin · 20/04/2012 21:28

Just popping through to say hello to some old special friends. (( I'm a bit nosy too!!))). A couple of new additions I see :))) xxx

ninja · 20/04/2012 21:32

Hi! Long time no see x

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 21:36

Profile, profile, profile.......

ninja do you mind if I link a thread here from someone that seems to be going through a bit of what you did? She might appreciate some support if you're able.

ninja · 20/04/2012 21:54

No bother ...

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 20/04/2012 22:01

Starlight well, firstly this is your body and your baby and so you must do what is right for you and you may not agree with my views and opinions, which is fine, but I did shedloads of research on GTT, GD and BMI etc so hear are my views:

Firstly, growth scans are notoriously inaccurate and apart from telling you whether baby is head down or not, serve little purpose apart from scaring pg woman half to death. They are generally used as a scare tactic to persuade 'difficult' women to go into the CLU (oh, your baby is likely to split you in two/get stuck as it's soooooo huge). Woman has pregnancy hormones and so gets scared. They told me DD would be over 10lbs (she was 7lbs 15oz and DS would be at least 10, probably more, he was 9lbs 3oz after a section so birth weight inflated by drug fluids).
there is good research that says late scans do little to improve outcomes and can contribute to medical intervention.
With a high BMI and mine is much higher than yours - you are only marginally over their cut off BMI - it is even harder to get a good estimate of weight from a scan. i believe no one grows babies they cannot birth due to size alone.

Secondly (my views are a bit off the wall) I do not believe that GD really exists. i have done plenty of research (google Michel Odent) and there is evidence to support the chicken and egg theory. If baby will naturally be big, needs more fuel to grow and sugar spills out, whereas most HCPs believe GD spills sugar and makes baby grow bigger than it should.
The theory by Michel Odent if that excess sugar is a natural by-product of pregnancy and at your stage, probably does not indicate GD. The tolerance limits for GD vary worldwide, so you would be considered diabetic in one country and not in another.
True diabetics in pg tend to be near the edge of diabetes pre-pregnancy and getting pg tips them over. These women show ketones early in pregnancy and spill sugar by around 15 weeks - far earlier than GD tests.

This is YOUR choice and YOUR baby/body. If you want to have the GTT then do but be aware if you show raised sugar levels they will not let you into the MLU (or say they will and find a reason to t/f during labour). If this were me, i would refuse the scan and GTT and if they pressed me say thanks for your advice, DH and I will consider it on a weekly basis. If you start showing urine in your sugar, then I would have the GTT.

If they start really hassling you, smile and politely use broken record. Thank you but we are aware of the risks and they are acceptable ones for us. Providing no sugar is detected in urine, we do not wish to have scan/tests.
If you do not have a GTT they cannot say for certain that you have GD.

Plenty of women who were told they had GD have birthed at home, so the MLU should be fine (have you considered a HB btw, it is your right - no one can force you into MLU or hospital) as medical care is nearby. You could always switch to a diabetic diet anyway - it can prevent pre eclampsia apparently (oats, no refined sugars, low GI etc)

If they continue to hassle state you consider it harassment.

These are my views and some will disagree but you need no further tests unless you want them.

HTH.

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MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 20/04/2012 22:07

And whoo hoo ninja please provide details as and when!

Hello mamamuffin how are you?

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StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 22:12

Ooooh hello mamamuffin too!

And thanks for laughing at my name ILTMIMI

StarshitTerrorise · 20/04/2012 22:18

Thank you MrsA. That is really helpful.

I have no sugar in my urine. Normal random glucose bloods. My BMI is the same as my last two pregnancies. I do not have pcos. My blood pressure is the low end of normal. I have no swelling.

The only 'risks' are the BMI (which wasn't a risk last time), my age (which wasn't a risk last time although I appreciate it has gone up 3 years) and 2cm extra with a tape measure.

Meglet · 21/04/2012 15:05

bookmarking.

CappuccinoCarrie · 21/04/2012 20:12

to starlight and mamamuffin good to 'see' you!

ninja OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we need more details! So excited for you! Hope the date goes brilliantly!

MrsA good that you don't have to go to court, sorry for all you've had to go through though :(

star (lol at the name change) sounds like good advice you've been given about potential GD, I have nothing further to add other than good luck!

So my fraudulent baby has started sitting up Grin My MN research showed that heavier babies can be later to sit, and he's pretty huge. Of course as soon as I stopped fretting he did it! He's grown out of the baby carseat as the straps are way down past his shoulders and he can slip them off. I'm not happy about putting him forward facing at 7m, but there's no possibility of putting a rear facing bigger seat in our car, its only a very specific combination of 3 seats that will fit across the back of our not-quite-big-enough vehicle Confused

Meg hooray for the DCs playing nicely! Did it last long?

Gonna do some sewing and have a glass of Wine Rock and roll saturday...