October 2011 - our happy, chatty babies!

[GroovyRach]

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little don't feel like you've failed, sounds like you're doing a great job and E is getting exactly what he needs, he's still getting the benefits of being bf you are just topping him up. W has always been ff with exception of some ebf for the first week or so. I had gestational diabetes which ment he was born with unstable blood sugar levels so needed feeding every 2 hours and he was a forceps birth with a sore head/neck which ment he refused to latch on. Despite one MW (just one the rest were very supportive) in hospital trying her best to make me feel bad about it I am just happy my boy can be fed and get the nutrition he needs, I hate all the pressure women are put under to bf as although I know it's best I think making people feel guilty for doing what is best by their baby is terrible, ff wont hurt them and its better that they eat than starve. Sorry that turned into a bit of a rant!

Thanks Strawberry and Scheh. I know logically he's fine and I've been lucky to be able to bf so far, think I've been panicked by our hv who acts like formula is crack for babies! Eli has slept 5hrs in one go tonight though which is amazing!
Strawberry how is everything now you sound like you've had a tough time x

Excellent for E sleeping well Pebble :) Long may it continue.

I second what Scheh says, E is a big boy I am sure you said neither you nor DP were super tall though? Sounds like you are going to end up with a 21 year old Son who towers over you. DH said yesterday he thought people were getting taller and that when we are old and have shrunk, it will be like we have giants looking after us (when we are shriveled and living in a care home)

I don't think you should feel bad about the ff, at the end of the day, as said, it is better ff than starving. I don't know anything about baby rice though - would rice not just be a bulking agent to fill them up but not really of any value? I am just wondering this from a carbs point of view. I am sure someone will enlighten up shortly.

Oooh keep meaning to say...

DH and I went to a friends on Monday who have an October baby too. It's the first time I have been over as they live quite far away.

Bizarre thing has happened to the Dad though, he has developed a "baby" voice . Everytime he spoke to his DS he put on this comedy (I don't think he thought it was funny). The first time I heard it I nearly did a big belly laugh.

It made be realise we always just talk to P in normal voices. Apologies in advance in any of you do "baby voices"

Hello

Wow pebbles - That's an amazing weight you must have super bm to support him for this long! There is nothing wrong with ff full, mixed or top up - you do what's best for you and your baby and if that's keeping him full then formula is perfect. Girls are on one ff bottle before bed and it's made a massive difference to their sleep x

Cheshire - baby voices make me laugh - I think most people soften their voices for babies but cuchie coo voices are very funny - especially in men!

im the opposite , i use a different voice for babies! not all the time now that i think about it, but a lot. i remember watching a programme with prof winston, think its the 2000 babies, and there is a little girl in it whose parents talk to her like they would anyone and she talks like shes an adult- very clever she is- but it is odd.

pebble i had to top the twins up for a week, during their 4 month growth spurt and i felt awful. its not even rational really, but you are some how programmed to believe you' ve failed. like someone said, you have to do whats best for you and the baby.

thanks pebble things ticking along at the moment, spoken to Will's consultant and from today will be giving him a diffent antib, as we think the original one is making him lethargic, still waiting on a mag3 in a couple of weeks to look at his kidneys and a CT appointment to check his skull plates. I guess things haven't been the easiest but day to day we are fine and W seems to be 'normal' so far. Didn't mean to be so whiney! I know everyone has problems of some sort and compared to others we are lucky.

Re baby voices, I do use one when we are playing on the mat/tummy time etc but if for example he's in the kitchen with me when I'm cooking I just talk him through what I'm doing a bit like a cookery show!

strawberry whine away. :-)
i think you should never diminish your problems just cos others have it worse. hoping for a good outcome for lo. x

just brought eva downstairs from sleeping and those you dont like baby voices would be either laughing or horrified! i just realised how many made up songs i actually have to......'i love you, yes i do, diddle diddle diddle diddle dum dum dum'.............'who's a little monkey? you that's who!' not going to win any song writing competitions, admittedly

It's not so much not liking them but they do make me laugh especially from people you don't expect! -dh has one as does my 7ft2 burly rugby playing uncle who's manly growl turns in to a giggly girly voice - we all just take the mickey now so he's used to us! Oh I have nappy changing songs and wake up songs that are equally as eloquent x

Strawberry - don't feel bad, I've got three completely healthy children (bar a few hospital stays ) and I whinge all the time . Good news about his antibiotics - sorry if I've missed it all, has he had a diagnosis? And what are the main next steps (sorry I've been a bit rubbish keeping up lately) xx

ha bb3 cos dd1 use to have a lot of problems with her bowels- i use to have a poo dance! beat that!!!

Loving all the baby song boasting

Mastitis seems to have improved a bit - managed to get some milk out yesterday and even expressed a whole ounce before bed - that's all I can ever express anyway. But boob still red and sore so have picked up some antibiotics today as otherwise would have to wait until Monday for Drs. Will now have to try to avoid thrush afterwards. Ho hum!

DD1 latched on but didn't suck so she was ff from very early on and has thrived on the stuff. So I haven't stressed too much about bf with DS and DD2 and ironically it has worked out. However, they have both had a bottle of formula when we go to bed.

biblio that's awful. Hope you manage to get somewhere if you choose to complain. Surely worth a try? Especially if you did think you checked with them. You have to complain to the insurer first then if you're not happy with their proposed resolution to your complaint you can ask for your case to be passed on to the ombudsman. When that happens the insurer have to pay the ombudsman (used to be £500 I think) so in order to avoid that they will often give in to the customer. Well that's how it used to work when I was in financial services. So even if they're technically right, you might get your claim paid after all if you kick up a fuss.

bb3 so glad your DS is back home again and so are you

It's reassuring that other babies struggled to bf, the.first 3 days were terrifying for me, I thought he had brain damage or something because he couldn't latch or suck, it took 5 weeks to teach him, and 8 weeks till bf was properly established. I just remember the hellish nights of putting him on, off, on, off about.30 times and thinking he was never going to get the hang of it. But that's all in the past now :)

Oh sassy I can't beat that, how exactly did the poo dance go? Was is a shaky thing, a bouncing thing, leg kicking?

Scheh - bfing is very hard, and I think too much pressure is put on people without informing them just how bloody hard it is so people (especially new mums) have expectations of this easy natural bf thing and aren't prepared for the pain, cracking, bleeding and screaming children that come along with it x

Fleecy - so glad mastitis is getting better - apparently hot baths help too and expressing into water x

I remember Nanny 911 doing a Potty Dance, we will be adopting this idea when it's time , oh and I sing to the dog!

It was just more that he is a professional, well paid, mid 30's bloke and he had developed this comedy "oooh little man" baby voice. I really did want to snort laugh!!!

A completely superficial reason for ff is that the bf tops are rubbish, why are they are bagging around the middle and with a tie bit at the front? My pregnancy tops were much nicer. Disclaimer...I am clearly not going to stop just because of naff clothing but it annoys me.

at poo dance that's brilliant.

BB3 as far as consultant can tell Will's kidney dilation and cranio issues are unrelated and just bad luck that he has both. We have a diagnostic test (Mag3 injected dye)on his kidney on the 19th and are awaiting a CT appointment to see how fused his head plates are. How's your DS I hope he's still improving.

Fleecy glad your starting to feel better

Cheshire-I have a.couple of nursing.tops but never wear them, I just wear normal tops and lift them up. I have a gorgeous silk blouse for out & about which is.really loose, and you can't tell I'm feeding at all.

it's more a free dance. a little wriggle here, a jig there, whilst singing woohoo!!!!! very technical in fact..........im now wondering whether i should have entered for ' think you can dance'

Ds and I have a free dance session whenever moves like jagger by maroon five comes on (jagger is one of his few words). Which is fine at home / car bur when it comes on in shops and you have a two year old demanding to be picked up and danced with it can be a tad embarrassing x

Haha! Bless him bb3, that's so cute. Hope he's feeling better away from the hospital.

I have a different tone of voice I use for A, so does DH - it's not a silly voice, though, just a different tone. One thing we've decided to do is try and use normal words for him after seeing my 5 year old niece talk about bunny rabbit and horsey and pussy cat instead of rabbit and horse and cat - was cute when she was younger but now she thinks that's what they are actually called. One thing one of my sisters has done that I admire as well is always talking about different types of animals to her dcs, so her dd knows the difference between ducks, swans, sparrows etc when to my other niece they are all "birdies". Apologies if any of you have dcs that use those words, of course.

bb3 move like jagger is a song I sing along to with A as well, he loves! That and adele. I think my son is the only person in the world that enjoys it when I sing ...

I am home alone sans baby this morning for the first time since he was born as DH has gone out with Amotai. It's very odd, and I keep thinking of all these things I should be doing but am paralysed with indecision and just faffing online instead!

Scheh that would mean exposing my saggy gut though :(

P has only just woke at 4.30am :) :)

Only downside is she finds it hard to get to sleep now due to the snottyness building up so am now sleeping with a bubbling spa in the background.

its funny but the twins love jagger song too! i would just pick him up and do it bb3 no shame in this house

cheshire i wont expose my tum either (so maybe some shame then!) if you layer you can be very discreet. for eg, a vest top snd a shirt or cardigan. the shirt or cardigan stays down covering your belly and the you pull the vest top up, so you can expose the nipple in between the two garments but the vest top will be covering the top half of your breast. people walk right past me and dont notice- although some do!

well i have managed to get eva to fall asleep on herself in her cot for 3 nights in a row. but only if i put her on her back or side. she screams blue murder if i put her on her front when she is awake. the downside to this though is, she has woke up 3nights in a row for feeding at 5am ish. booooo
cant hsve everything. it will all come together eventually!

I don't have any BF tops either I wear whatever top I want then put a plain vest under when I need to feed I pull top ip and vest down outer top then tends to sit on Ms cheek so no one can see anything