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Dec 08 - tears, tantrums, giggles and piddles - and that's just the mums!

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traceface · 18/03/2011 14:13

Or maybe piddling whilst giggling is just me? Blush
It's so sunny here I feel Spring has sprung - where's that daffodil emoticon gone? Had a friend round this morning for a natter and cake - muchos snot and tears but all good. Think I might go for a little bike ride now to blow the cobwebs away.
And no vag - not a chance!
rubs don't you dare spend all your time tweeting - your first loyalty is here!

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LadyThompson · 18/03/2011 14:26

Well done Trace! Glad you've got the weather, it's rather damp and gloomy in Oxfordshire...

Artichokes · 18/03/2011 14:51

Good work Trace. And I second your command for people to STEP BACK FROM TWITTER. Chat here not there people.

JamInMyWellies · 18/03/2011 15:26

Seriously I cant get the hang of it. How do you do all that #tagging thing and the timeline confuses me. Come back to MN.

Well done trace love the new title.

WG clearly we need more gossip information.

SPOT hats off to you my love.

Vag you are back how dare you let RL get in the way. Wink

Back to teh house work. WHy am I always doing housework?

Oh and did any of you watch the red nose radioathon with Chris Moyles cant believe they raised more than 2 million, quite an achievement for a loudmouth from Leeds.

LadyThompson · 18/03/2011 15:33

MN will always come first with me, don't worry!

I will be watching Comic Relief tonight, weeping loudly no doubt, particularly at the poor malnourished babies/hurt children when my own are so wellfed and lucky (well, one is - the other one is just lucky Grin

OK, I got a fourth place on the Gold Cup and Sky Bet will pay out on that for an each way bet, so don't think I will have lost much.

traceface · 18/03/2011 16:00

flippin flip flops. Just bunny hopped the car into a post. That's what happens when you start the engine in gear. So so foolish Blush. Stupid big dent now. grr.
jam yes I am slightly concerned at your level of housework - please lay off it for a while.

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waitinggirl · 18/03/2011 16:40

here goes... so, remember this is the visit mil has foisted upon us - the one where she overheard me talking to someone else on the phone, and then once i got off the phone, it was basically a done deal that they were coming down for 4 days in order to cover the afternoon and evening when dh MIGHT possibly not be here. hmm...

so they arrived yesterday early afternoon. i had been feeling particularly shit. dd1 had been ill during the night and dd2 had been a bit grizzly, so dh and i both of us got very very little sleep during the night. oh, and i'm on day 3 of a tummy bug which means i shit myself silly all the time and have no appetite (already back to pre preggers weight - just proves how porky i was in the first place). not to mention the no iron thing. dh left that morning to do a bit of work - dd1 at childminder's, dd2 who normally sleeps for britain, was very grizzly, so i couldn't rest. they arrived and yet again, mil doesn't ask me how i am. i mean, isn't that a given? a new mum - you ask how they are??? fil did (he has actually been a star through the whole thing).

i hand the baby over to the mil who REEKS of smoke (the day after the health visitor tells me you're not supposed to let smokers breathe over your newborn for at least an hour after their last cigarette) and go and have a shower. i come down - and a lovely but quite new friend of mine arrives wiht her 20 month old and we all sit downstairs for a couple of hours. during that time i mention how great the parents in law have been in terms of looking after the dds, and i also say how i have no idea how i'm going to do it on my own. mil then spends a good 5 mins basically telling me how i'm going to do it ("you can rock the pram with one hand while you cuddle dd1"), and more importantly how she did it in her day (doesn't mention the valium i know she was prescribed or the gin bottles which disappeared as fast as they arrived, does she?). she also manages to talk about "but it was easy for us in those days because we had a ROUTINE, because we fed every four hours, because there was none of this feeding on demand thing" etc etc. she basically manages to shit all over my parenting choices in her 5 mins of self-glorification.

then dd1 is delivered back from the childminders - she isn't well and is very clingy and doesn't want to know her grandparents particularly. she eventually perks up a bit, but mil follows her around everywhere. R is really independent and does her own thing, but mil hovers the entire time. drives both me and R insane. R disappears behind the sofa, does a spectacularly fake cry, mil jumps up and comes over, i say "oh, leave her, she's not hurt and she'll learn". R pokes her smiling face up from behind the sofa.

anyway - then we eventually get to bathtime - it's all a bit fraught - R is very upset that i can't carry her upstairs and fights and fights her grandpa who carries her. i bathe G while R screams on mil's lap, and then i sponge R down to get her cool and get her dressed. she is really distressed by this point. mil carries G downstairs and i follow, asking R to hold my hand. she screams and screams at which point mil says - AND I QUOTE "don't be pathetic" (pause pause pause - during which time all i hear is the p-word) "you should be smiling holding mummy's hand". (i know, weird, isn't it?) all i hear or see is the p-word - i don't translate the mil crazy talk into proper talk - and i pick R up (shouldn't, but i do) and say "Sheila, please don't call my daughter pathetic. She is ill and she needs to feel she can express how unhappy she is".

then she says "we'll be leaving tomorrow, V, you have been nothing but unfriendly to me today - this is the third time you've spoken to me like this and i don't feel welcome here and we'll be going"

i was THIS close to asking her what on earth made her think she could stay even one night and she should get a hotel. but i didn't.

i then let a few minutes go by - and asked her if we could talk about this face to face like grown ups - she says "oh, just go away V".

so i put dd1 to bed, wait for dh to come home and then we have the conversation (it's not fair to do it without him). i am ranted at and railed at. i let her. then i tell her what she said and she BARE FACED LIES ABOUT WHAT SHE SAYS. she literally lies in my face about what she said, retranslating it into something much more normal. without the p-word. now, in retrospect, i can see she wasn't being that mean, but i really didn't make that sentence up (isn't it weird?), and i really did hear that p-word (which obviously upsets me very much).

anyway... we then have a bit conversation where i get upset that i don't have a mum and tell her that she has behaved without a modicum of maternal feeling for me or her son, and without any sense of female solidarity for going through childbirth. she does concede that she is "cold"- she uses the word twice.

i do a lot of apologising and conceding ("i'm sorry if you are so hurt/ i have to realise how you aren't as demonstrative with your feelings as i am and i'm sorry i've upset you") etc etc. but NOTHING FROM HER. she spends her time raising eyebrows and patronising me.

she ends up going for another cigarette outside and fil tells me that she has a pathological need to be right about everything and to let it wash over me, like he does over him. and i suddenly realise how this family works - all these 3 men in her life simply stop listening to her and let her rant and rail and tell her she's right or don't even bother to engage with her about anything. this just isn't the way i am built. am going to have to learn, though, aeren't i? he also told me she will never apologise and never admit seh was wrong.

and today they are still here... i haven't even been downstairs and haven't seen them all day - been in bed all day. had another shit night - dd1 super feverish all night so we were up every hour with her, regardless of dd2. i still have this tummy bug - have doctor's appt in an hour - and apart from dd2's feeds and dd1 running in, i've only seen dh.

dh has been great - he is firmly on my side, although he would never make the fuss i've made. i feel terribly alone, though. i want my mum. i want my mum to tell me i'm right, to tell me it'll be fine, to tell this WITCH TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE. which she would have done.

anyway. they are being practically helpful which is great. and i haven't had to interact with her which is doubly great. although i've got to get up soon and face downstairs.

it's absolutely nothing compared to what spot is going through, so i do feel a bit trivial. but fundamentally i don't want this woman in my children's life. she lives to be miserable and disappointed and brings her misery with her. and i've got no effing choice.

DeidreBarlow · 18/03/2011 17:13

Oh WG love. I'm sorry you are having to deal with MIL crap on top of being ill, really you could do without it. How odd to lie like that! She sounds for all the world like my sisters MIL, my sister hasn't spoken to her for the past 2 years though. She was the same, the need to be right and to be pacified all the time. All you can do if she isn't prepared to change her attitude is minimise contact with her - not easy though.

pingu Congrats, what lovely news.

spot I'm sorry things aren't getting any easier for B, or any of you for that matter. Hang in there lovely, you are doing so well in very difficult circumstances.

Twitter...I just don't get itConfused. Although I do pop on every now and again.

Ohand trace thanks for the lovely new thread!

zoejeanne · 18/03/2011 17:32

Thanks for the new thread Trace (hope you and the car are on and only your pride is bruised) just marking my place and will be back later as DH is out

WG I actually read your post with my jaw hanging open! Will compose myself before commenting

Spot I hope you have a good weekend with both your boys together and that between dealing with all the things that need dealing with you have some quality moments of family time

I've just bought a gorgeous bunch if spray roses from the flower man near the bus stop, because it is the loveliest sunny day and because I'm worth it. Now wishing I'd given the money to comic relief, so will donate later

Back later

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 18:25

Wg i think we may have the same mil!! Flipping heck that all sounds so familiar!

Artichokes · 18/03/2011 19:11

Agggghhhhhhh. Have just heard the words "Mummy there are little wormy things in my poo". And sure enough there were. Loads of them wriggling and swiggling about. Too gross for words. NHS website says chances are we all have them. By gosh I want to hurl. Yak yak yak.

WG, will read your post properly when I am calmer and have finished scrubbing EVERYTHING.

vagolaJahooli · 18/03/2011 19:39

Arti OMG!!!

WG that story wasn't enjoyable in the least. Usually I quite enjoy your MIL stories but that is just horrid. To say something like that to a child. Didn't Arti's MIL say something similar? Isn't it ironic that someone who enjoys misery and disappointment has such a talented and successful son!?!

Thanks for the new thread Trace. Also meant to say I love your attitude towards P's TT.

Have had a disappointing afternoon, waiting in for ages for the satellite dude to come and install the TV stuff and internet but turns out he can't put the satellite dish on the wall as the council won't allow it. So now we need to get permission to put it on the roof. Aaargh I need TV at least we will have internet by tomorrow. Also the boys were really good all afternoon then as soon as the guy got here they started getting screamy and going mental. I got really snappy at them and DS2 told me he wanted me to go and he wanted their babysitter to come look after them. Cheeky Bugger.

Gotta go DH is home in about an hour or so the boys are finally asleep and my Japanese delivery has arrived. Aaahhh.

EffiePerine · 18/03/2011 20:11

WG that is way beyond the pale. Being nasty to DD1 and insulting you in your own house. I would seriously have conisidered telling her to get out until she learned some manners. What a COW.

Arti: yuck. I'm sure it's one of things you have to deal with when you have kids at school but still. Yuck yuck yuck.

Vag and Rubes: good to hear from you. And no, I can't get the hang of Twitter. DH spends hours on it.

Trace: you are sounding so much better. When do you start your phased return? Or do you have to wait for occ. health?

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 20:54

WG she is a cow.

So many similarities.

Being rude about your parenting choices - CHECK!
Not asking how you are - CHECK!
Not asking about how childbirth went (technically not true - she woke me up from a nap on the sofa to ask how it went, then when she found out I didn't get to the pushing stage said that "I hadn't got the hard bit". I said "fuck off you old witch, I'm going back to sleep now" actually no I didn't but I did go back to sleep) SORT OF CHECK
Saying nasty things such as "That's pathetic" in front of DS - and generally being negative and miserable about him when actually fuck off you, he's wonderful - CHECK
Getting all fucking defensive and me me me when challenged on anything - EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME. What did I say wg? If you challenge her on it she'll go "WAHHHHH you don't want me around, yes it's still about MEEEEEE" FUCKING BITCH, you're the one that needs the bloody support here. How DARE SHE????
Grrrr, you're making me all annoyed now for you!

Anyway I would second whoever said don't let it come between you and DH, done that it's shit, don't plan to let it happen again.

arti that is grim. I remember having them as a kid. The medicine was bloody gross back then, I hope it is less minging now.

vag that's funny about the babysitter. Haha. DS tried to put me on the naughty step this morning. I took his milk off him to get him dressed and he said "Mines milk, no sharing mummy, naughty, naughty step" haha.

I want to go on twitter but my username is embarrassing (old embarrassing uni nickname) and I can't find a new one that is available. SummerLightning is gone.

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 21:03

Oh also wg I meant to say, sorry you are missing your mum. You know, she would be very proud of you, and you will be a wonderful mum to those two lovely girls (and maybe more?!). Not a miserable old cow like MIL who everyone has to placate/put up with. You will be a lovely grandmother who everyone wants around eventually. So there.
(My mum doesn't like my MIL. She's always bitching about her, in fact I think it's one of her favourite hobbies, which makes me feel a bit guilty!)

I also meant to send lots of love to our lovely spot. You know life will be a breeze once you are through this. Poor little B....I just keep crossing my fingers that things are on the up soon.

sybilfaulty · 18/03/2011 21:21

Not read but just adding myself in as I make 400 fairy cakes, a birthday cake, crispy cakes and a vat of wine, sorry a bucket of organic water for the party tomorrow. DD2 is 4 and is having a party with her best friend from nursery who is 4 on the same day. We have 20 of the little darlings round. I am thinking back to this night in 2007 and remember excitement and fear (of the CS). She is an angel though and I am hugely blessed. As I am with all of them, but DD2 is especially gorgeous at the moment.

I am sorry I have been rubbish and not around. I will try to get back on track next week when my work crisis and birthday crisis have passed. Beans, I am currently without a phone so cannot text but wanted you to know I was thinking of you today and hoping you had good news.

Lots of love to you all XXXX

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 21:53

Has anyone applied for olympic tickets? I just applied for some. Including the women's xc mountain biking, on poor DD's 2nd birthday....if we get them I hope she likes biking!

JamInMyWellies · 18/03/2011 21:56

WG dignity is the only way to go. Hold your head up high you are the bigger better person. Strength to you. X

ARTi boak!

Comic relief is killing me tonight. Hope everyone has put a couple of quid in. Heartbreaking.

Boys have done my nut in today. Also had a barney with DH. Grr.

Happy weekend all.

JamInMyWellies · 18/03/2011 21:59

SL we gave applied for bikes and diving. Extortinate prices can't believe there ate no concessions for children.

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 22:03

There were on the ones I applied for. You must have gone for v exclusivo ones, obviously no-one wants the XC mountain biking, women's triathlon or men's road racing

waitinggirl · 18/03/2011 22:05

SL, YOU'VE GOT ONE TOO??? Heaven help us.

Arti- dh and I had them when I was preggers withR. That was funny, watching dispensing chemists trying to find the rule book onwhether it was safe for pregnancy. Apparently worms are far more prevalent now ppl are eating more organic food...

Re twitter... I'm on there but just follow a few friends and famous ppl. I have nothing of great interest to say. Oh, I do follow Samuel Pepys though. Just lovely.

Am having the most terrible digestive problems which is unusual for cast iron stomach girl here. Honestly, you need surround sound to appreciate the sounds emanating from my bowels. And alas the spare room is next to the loo, so mil will have been entertained by my bowels for the past 20 mins. HA!

Just spoken to lovely ladyfriend who is so blinking wonderful and desperate to come and see us, but they know they can't as pil are here. Can't wait to see them and be properly looked after.

Oh, SL, thx for your card. It was lovely!

JamInMyWellies · 18/03/2011 22:06

DH was the one that applied so knowing him he would go for the pricey ones. I am the cheapskate and would fo the cheaper ones. Grin

SummerLightning · 18/03/2011 22:08

Did you apply for the kids too (assuming so?), or are you planning on offloading them?

JamInMyWellies · 18/03/2011 22:19

Boys too we thought it was a one in a lifetime thing.

vagolaJahooli · 18/03/2011 22:20

Has anyone heard from Beans, did I miss a post from her today between the threads? She was getting results from her mum today wasn't she? She has so much to deal with at the moment.

poisondwarf · 18/03/2011 22:46

Pingu Fantastic news! Not sure whether to predict boy or girl as I can see you with either. But a boy version of M would be so cute I'm going to go for that.

spot lovey hope B's on the mend soon so I can come down to Brighton and give him a little tickle.

Beans how did today go?

wg sorry MIL is still being a PITA. Is she still going home early then?

jj how did viewings go?

Arti ewww! Do John Lewis do worming tablets? And I agree with the others - I'm sure your work colleague would have presumed or known you wouldn't be able to go to the birthday drinks.

sybs didn't realise we had DCs the same age - DS is 4 in a couple of weeks too. Have a lovely party.

I'm sure there was more but my memory's not what it used to be...

Anyway I thought you ladies might appreciate this rather illuminating conversation I had this morning. I took DD to rhyme time at the library and a mum I don't know came up to me and said "Oh, is that N?" (meaning DD). So obviously someone who knows DD & DP from a toddler group. I said yes and waited for her to introduce herself and instead she said "So are you N's grandma then?"

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(if only there were a wrinkly emoticon)

Okay, so there's no denying that I am old enough to be DD's grandma, which is frankly horrifying enough in itself. But this person knows DP and THOUGHT I WAS HIS MUM!!! Erm, I'm sure there is a funny side to this somewhere, if someone would be kind enough to point it out to me. DP certainly seems able to see it...