June '05 Mummies 5 - the one with lots of smiles, and lots of cuddles.

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one brand new shiney thread, title thanks to eym.

Hi everyone

It's grey and rainy here today - yuk.

EYM - Sorry to here about your neice being prem. I bet she is gorgeous. Lots of love to you.

Mrs W - Dd2 feeds once at7ish, then 10ish, then 3ish then 6ish. During the day I'm less strict and top her up whenever she needs it on the basis that i have no idea how much she is getting so I'm not going to restrict or regulate feeds.

It's so wintry here I'm off to have cheese on toast!

EYM, your sister sounds very brave and strong, and so does your niece. They are lucky to have such a loving and supportive sister/auntie like you. Thinking of you all.

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aw Lynny hunny i didnt mean to make you cry of course you must have had similar thoughts when you had lovely leaona hugsss.

can someome tell me how to change the stupid cat thing apparently mine is not working grrr.

EYM, if you go to 'contact another talker' at the top of the page there's a link to mail preferences and you can change your setting to receive messages there.

HTH.

Mrs Wed, I'm still b/feeding. I feed at 7:30am, 11am, 2:30pm, 5pm (a small one), 6:30pm, 10:30pm. I've just swapped the 10:30pm feed for a formula feed. Although my guru Gina tells me i should have dropped the 5pm feed about 3 months ago, DS simply doesn't agree and winges until I give it him. As i cant face another 1 1/2 hrs of a hellish baby, i give in.
I'd be interested to know how many feeds the rest of you give? Is 5 1/2 per day about right?
Must go, i've got a Nigella chilli to make (can you tell i've just got Feast out of the library??)

EYM - am thinking of you and your sister and her little baby - would like to know name too if poss.

Well I've spoken to the sleep lady again and as I thought ds is having trouble not using the nipple to get to sleep. So tonight I'm not supposed to feed him, from now until the morning. It's going to be so hard as I am absolutely exhausted. She's right though I can tell my the way he feeds that he's not hungry just desperate to get back to sleep using the way he knows best. Wish me luck - I feel so knackered and defeated by the whole thing was almost regretting bfing in the first place today as it seems to have left me with a shedload of problems. Sleep lady said I was daft to think this as when ds is grown up he's going to have far, far less chance of heart problems....trying to hang to that. Wish me luck.

EYM - please forgive my moaning when others have far more to contend with x

EYM - Congratulations on the birth of your new niece
Your sis must be so worried and probably exhausted right now, but
from the sounds of your posts she and your niece are part of such a big, loving and supportive family and you will all be so strong for them.

I'm thinking of you x

Welshie - what's that about heart problems!?

Hi everyone by the way

I have been having a read occasionally - I'm heartened to read about your sleep problems - I was beginning to think I was the only one - all the babies round here are both HUGE and (apparently ) sleeping through!

charley, nice to see you again!

EYM, congratulations on the arrival of the little pip, and all good wishes to you and your family. You're doing amazingly, and I'm sure your sis will be inspired by lynny's kind words, I know I am amazed at her strength and good humour xxx

welshie, as a failed breastfeeder I implore you not to feel bad about it. I wish wish wish with all my heart that I could have got it going, and in any case you might well still have the same problem if he was bottle-fed, i.e. needed to suck for comfort. You have done the absolute best for your ds, even if he will never appreciate it as much as we all do I'll be sending you good Junie vibes tonight - do you have a backup plan if you can't take any more? Will anything else work, i.e. pram or car ride? Obv not what you want to be doing at 3 in the morning (probably not even safe to be out with the pram then?) but I would keep something in reserve. Also, could this brutal plan not wait til the weekend til dh can at least relieve you for a few hours?

Jonah, about five feeds here in the day too, plus one at night. I must confess, ds is still having a sneaky power nap at about 1730, even though sleep lady says he shouldn't. The punishment for this seems to be him waking at 6 a.m. ready for daytime fun and playing, even though really he's still tired and goes into Grump Central about 45 mins later.

Visit to the MIL today, sigh. First we had a round of "oh when shall we ever see you again?" to the baby (Leeds of course is inaccessible from Suffolk, except by us personally) and then she tried to get him off to sleep when I was trying to keep him awake in the hopes of avoiding above-mentioned power nap. We've now gone from dh's niece being described as the baby's "one and only" cousin to "your best and favourite" cousin (not even in front of the niece, which I could have understood, just in general!) and ended with being presented with ds's Xmas present (why?) which is a toy for a 9 month old (why?).

I must say, moving to Leeds is good in that she will be further away, but bad in that I will have to tolerate her for more than an hour at a time when she visits.

Will start a thread for our Northern meet and hope to get that arranged soon. The move seems very close now; we have organised the removal firm and signed the tenancy agreement, so it's all really happening.

Northern meet thread

Hey Charley. If you are looking for people with sleep problems you're in the right place. We've moved ds into his own room for the first time tonight. Fingers crossed this will help a bit!

EYM - thinking of your sister and niece.

Mrs W - am still bfing. Today (in a 24 hour period) I fed: 2am, 5am, 6.30 am, 9.30 am, 11am, 2 pm, 5 pm and 6.30 pm. I expect I will feed him again around 9.30.

Welshie - as you can see from the above, I am having something of a nightmare too. I don't regret choosing to bf, though. There have been some lovely moments and it was what I very much wanted. I think when I look back I will be pleased that I did. Although I sometimes think that the lack of sleep is so badly affecting my daytime parenting that it isn't worth it. Am thinking of introducing one formula feed.

Jonah - how has it been introducing the formula feed?

lua and sfxmum - hope you both had better nights last night.

trib, know what you mean about nursery, although I sometimes worry that ds doesn't spend much time with other babies. he sees friends' kids, but nothing structured every day. Guess maybe that would be easier with a sibling (not that we are going to be trying for a while!)

trib - x-posted.

MIL sounds, ahem, difficult. Did you resist the temptation to tell her that ds couldn't talk when she asked him when she would see him again?

Have to confess that dh and I are guilty of talking to each other through the baby ("Let's go and see what Daddy is doing. Oh, Daddy is reinstalling something on the computer. There are so many better things that Daddy could be doing, aren't there sweetheart? You'd like Daddy to put some washing on, wouldn't you?").

Sorry - probably TMI on the Lummox household there.

lummox, re: nursery, at this age, I don't think our little ones really need socialising anyway. At baby clinic today ds was vaguely interested in the existence of other babies but that's a first for him and I doubt he's that bothered. I do think later on nursery is great for little ones to mix together, but quite a lot later in my view. LOL at the glimpse of the lummox household. Baby will probably learn "restart computer" as his first phrase. Best of luck for tonight.

MIL's husband did, in seriousness, ask us if ds was talking yet. Admittedly he is 91 and thus a bit round the bend anyway (although still drives - PLEASE all of you avoid the roads of West Suffolk). I forgot another classic from MIL. When I was explaining to dh's niece that ds was tired and so wouldn't smile for her (so she didn't feel bad) MIL chips in with "well he's smiling for his grandma" - which was COMPLETELY untrue! Good god. GET A GRIP.

Good Evening Dear Junies

EYM - Just wanted to say that I am thinking of your sister and niece. I really hope that the antibiotics help and she doesn't need an operation. I know you are going to be a real support to them both.

Trib & Mrs W - I'm with you on the anxiety of putting dd into nursery. I had a real wobble about it last week and even started a thread on it. I will post a link later. Wish I didn't have to do it , but I guess I will get used to the idea. DD is booked in for 4 full days a week from January.

SFX - Hope you had a better night last night with dd. Good luck for tonight too!

Lummox - What is your napping routine like, just being nosy as we never seem to get enough or long enough naps in for dd and she is always more than ready for bed by about 6pm. I reckon she needs 3-4 hours and we are lucky if she gets 2-3 per day.

Lua & Welshie - How goes it with the solids? How many weeks are your ds's? I will be watching progess with interest as I am looking at maybe starting on solids end November (dd was a late junie).

Jonah - Going back to work just in time for the parties and pressies I see - very good timing! Have a great holiday!

Coop - Hope all is well chez coop and that you are enjoying your mum & stepdads visit. Glad DD1 is getting on better with DD2 now too.

Lippy - Sounds like last week was a good one for you, what with Cake, Romance and Clothes shopping

Bubb - So glad to hear about your mum. I'm very impressed with your Xmas organisation - you are putting me to shame .

All is well in Mac household. DD is still sleeping better in her own (well actually our room), from 10pm feed to between 4-5.30am, and then back down until at least 7.30am. In fact this morning I had a headache, so didn't wake her and we both slept until 8.30am.

Sorry if I missed anyone, had a read of the thread this morning, but only just time to post now. Hugs to all.

Evening all!

Well, since I was expecting absolute tragedy last night it wasn't too bad.... He did complained a lot about having to sleep in his own, but ended up doing so in less than 30 min complaining. He still woke up 3X times in the night, but I felt we were moving in the right direction (i.e. smaller feeds, the whole night in the crib and longer periods in btw). He did sleep most of the day today so it must have been an exhausting experience for him too... On the other hand he has been a much more content baby, so may it last!

Welshie don't you feel bad for Bfing! It is great for him, and learning to sleep is a hard thing to do bfing or not. I kick myself for knowing I shouldn't let him sleep feeding, and letting him doing anyway. So, really no surprises. Besides, at least in my case, is clear that he doesn't care much if he is sucking my boobs or my fingers, the sucking is what he needs. So I am mostly trying to teach him to suck his own fingers which are readily available in the middle of the night. However, Watch this space for me complaining about DS sucking his thumb when he is 4!!!!
Also, I did the same with DD that you are doing with your DS, and she lerned quick not to eat to sleep and continued happily bfing until 16 months. My sympathies though, it was so hard hearing her cry .

Mandy will report when I actually start the solids. I think we'll do in the weekend when it can be more of an occasion, Dh can take pictures, etc... so must keep up now .

Nursery - DD loves hers. Nursery quality varies a ton, so does parents. Thus, what is better to the kids will depend on the nursery and on the parent. Me not being the most dedicated mum in the world , and her nursery being very good , makes going to the nursery ideal!

EYM - thinking of your sis and her DD .

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evening all
just about to go to bed,very tired. i will most likely miss replies so will not even attempt remembering who said what.sorry

solids-dd been on baby rice since saturday (she 20wks now) its going well, today she was antecipating spoon and just hoovering it up. have little portions of single veg puree lined up to had over the next couple of weeks.

nights- hit and miss but getting better thanks for asking. as she first goes down 'off breast' am sticking to 2 feeds max diring night, otherwise if she wakes up i just pat or cuddle.
lua - she found her fingers, dont really care about comments later on, really good now.(bit noisy all that vigorous sucking sometimes)

naps-never manage that very well, today particularly bad since i had 4 deliveries.

X b/f - no idea how many dont really count sometimes she has proper feeds and therefore feeds less often sometimes she snacks...babies...

in laws- thankfully blessed with sane nice people, who live up north, they came to visit week after dd was born after asking if they could. they stayed at hotel. MIL visited later in the month when in town for wimbledon.
be seeing them at christmas for days full off lovely food and drink and ZERO work expected from me. i really do like them, even though they now ignore us and only ever write to grandaughter.

eym- hope sis and little girl doing well all the best, lots of love.

ps her bumbo arrived today must post photo of dd on it on yahoo sooo cute

Well nowhere near as bad as anticipated, thank goodness.
Ds went down at 7pm after bfing loads and having baby rice at 5.30pm (which he totally loves - he moves the spoon towards his mouth and yells if I don't get it there fast enough)
He slept until 12 then started shouting - not crying - like he's was saying 'Mum, mum come and help me go back to sleep' he did this for an hour and a half but as it was not crying it was less difficult to hear. Then he went to sleep until 4.30am and woke up grizzly but again not crying I think I would have ridden it out but my bosom had grown to about 4 times their normal size and I got a bit worried about getting an infection (my excuse???) and so fed him. He went back to sleep no problem and we woke him at 7.15am.
I'm pretty pleased with how it went really and I think I'll carry on with this plan until he's more firmly established on solids and the rest of the night is settled more and then cut the last feed.
Again I've got the sleep lady to thank for helping me formulate a plan and stick to it. She's great, she really is.
Thanks for all the encouragement re bfing - I had a really bad day yesterday, probably my worst. I know I did a good thing really - but your support is fab - where would we be without MN and the Junie thread???
Sorry about me me me msg - will write more to all later xx

Hi everyone. Haven't been around in ages. Work is busy (which is a welcome chance from pre-maternity leave). The kids are fine. DD gets along great with "Ayex" (pronounced Ay-ex, as you may recall the name is Alex). We've embqaarked on potty raining with DD (actually the fab new nanny did most of the work. There have been a few accidents but for the most part all is well, just wears a nappy at night. Alex is growing up so fast. We started weaning this week with some baby rice. He seems to like it (Thank GOD!!!). HAnnah was a miserable eater and I fear he will be like his sister. But so far he seems happy to eat.

That's about all the news I can think of just now. Hope everyone else is well, as there isn't a chance in H*ll of me actually reading this whole thread.

Morning mums hugs

just took william to baby clinic get weighed ect, hes doubled his birth weight but hasnt grown dohhhh you cant win HV was quite happy with him its just that hes such a snacker, will only take 4oz very regularly but hes sleeping fine wakes up twice so what do you do?

Im never going to buy anything for this wedding thats if it happens all our lives have been turned upside down, sorry mums had to moan as i said before life is hard for us at the momemt.

Anyway our georga is doing fine, sis is still expressing, and there now introducing her feeds again 1 mil at a time, to make sure its going in her tummy. Im so proud of my sis she is coping really well even though now they say baby might have cysticfirbrosis there testing today. I just want to put my arms around her, and tell her everything will be ok.

Hopefully we will go up to shef on weeekend, if my sis says that ok, i dont want to intrude and ive told her im there whenever you want me day or nite.

anyway have a nice afternoon mums hugsss xxxx

morning all
last night dd slept fine until 12.30 but after that woke up at 3.30 and then every hr since until about 7. this seems to have made her tired and we have already had two long naps, most unusal for her. i feel fine strangely enough, but not much energy to pop out although this would probably be good for both of us. lovely sunny day.

welshie and lua- hope sleep programmes going ok and not that painful.

lummox-you of the prodigious richest milk- lol at DH talk.

lynny-hope you feeling less tired today. have you checked iron levels? apparently commom problem.

dd busy chewing blanket guess should do something about it.

good days all

Oh my gosh... things have gotten quiet round here. Hope the shock of seeing my name up here didn't render you all speechless.