June '05 Mummies 5 - the one with lots of smiles, and lots of cuddles.

[katzguk]

one brand new shiney thread, title thanks to eym.

Twichlet - hello and welcome. we have one rule round here, the more the merrier! just join us, but be warned we do love to chat about anything and everything.

I've just finishing labelling up a load of toys to sell at the local toy sale, so hopefully so more money coming in soon. I did okay at the clothes sale last week, made nearly £40.

EYM - if your around in Sheffield tomorrow CAT me for my mobile and your welcome to pop up for a coffee

Welcome aboard,Twitchett-always great to "see" another Junie.

Thanks Mrs W. Ok I have a gorgeous Ds and he's my . first. He's a total sweetie, who takes after his dad not me of course, and is 21 weeks. He was three weeks early and I hadn't even finished work, though I'm self employed,which kind of makes it a bigger whoops. My biggest panic permanently is that I drank whilst up the duff and also now bf-ing, but find it hard not to have a glass or two in the eves... partic as I gave up smoking just before ds was conceived. In fact I think that's why Ds was conceived as we'd been playing Russian Roulette for a couple of years. I guess that's enough for now!

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Ah, there's lots of very reassuring words written on Mumsnet about how little alcohol reaches the baby through breastmilk (she types, swigging her second large red of the night - and I'm still bfing).

Nice to meet you anyway. There is a stats thread somewhere but I'm not sure it was ever updated after the babies were born. I've got two DSs, and a DH who is getting annoyed that I'm on here and not talking to him, so I'd better go.

welcome Twitchet great name

the more the meerier i say

mines a large vodka and red bull lol

Aw mums thank you much for your kind words
it really means a lot to me knowing i can come here and talk about mum. Mrs W mum passed the 27th Nov so were near now just really feeling it this week.

Katz ill have a talk to hubby see if we can stay a bit longer spoke to gill tonite, georga went to leeds today to see the cardiologist not good news mums lets just say more complications cant wait to give my sister a cuddle shes so brave bless her.

Anyway ive had a good cry with hubby hes so lovely
he so understanding too, he just took william up stairs and settled him for me, I think its his teeth.

nite mums ill send my love to my sister from you all xxx

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EYM - were in most of the day except for a birhday party from 3-5, just let us know if you want to meet up

Hi Twitchet - saw your post on the 16 week fussy phase/growth spurt. Glad you've joined us.

OK - let's get the sleep obsessed bit over with -it's been a bit up and down over here for the last couple of weeks, but it does now seem that the sleep is sorting out - most nights now just a feed around 9.30 pm, then one at 4 am, then up 6.30 am ish. Feels pretty good after the feeding every two hours phase (fervently hope it was a phase). Have worked out that it went on for 8 weeks!

Don't really know what helped - probably a mixture of the sleep lady, putting him in his own room and starting weaning.

Thinking of all the other sleep obsessives. Charlie and Lua how are things?

Katz really pleased things looking up.

Welshy - hope you having a better day too.

Am trying to think positive about going back to work - am pretty lucky as can probably restrict working to about 50/60 days a year. Still feels pretty momentous.

Where is Trib? Hope the move is going OK.

Where is KVG too? I am sure there are others missing!
Twichet - Welcome!! You certainly don't need permission to join us and we are always glad to have someone else to chat to. . Any input is fab. I just love the moral support, oh and I'll have a LARGE glass of white wine if that is ok .
Lummox - So glad things are settling down sleepwise. I feel I am in the same boat. I am feeling a bit sorry for myself now actually as everyone seems to be getting things sorted as I am going backwards...see below. On the other hand I think it is probably just that I am missing dh and the break I would get were he here. I am thinking today that b/f is hard work and I have never felt that (for me) before. DD2 is feeding lots and still biting occasionally.
EYM - I can't believe that poor Georgia has yet more complications . Poor you and your family. Thinking of you a lot xxxx

Well dd2 was up every 2 hrs last night. I could have set my watch by her. She was very hungry each time too having a proper feed rather than a comfort suckle. I think that I may have to start weaning. I will see how we get on tonight and then decide. Her cradle cap is alot better now I am using the vaseline so that is good anyway. I am unsurprisingly very tired today though so I am signing off for now.

oh - skyler/coop, forgot to add you to my list of sleep obasessives! apologies to sfxmum too.

i think my ds is one of the older junie babies (a surprise entrant on May 26th) so maybe there is better to come. we definitely had a number of "two hour specials" nights before and during the recent improved spell.

in some ways i'm sad that weaning seems to have helped. we made it to 20 weeks before starting, so i hope it won't do any harm, but i feel it took so much time and effort to get bfing established that it is a bit of a shame.

haven't had to deal with biting yet - sounds horrible.

Yes dd is a late Junie on the 22nd. The biting is a pain (literally lol) but not enough to make me think about stopping as she does it at the end of a feed or if she is not hungry IYSWIM. I basically need to pay more attention and get her off before she gets bored and starts playing about but so rarely pick up on the signs as I am trying to read/play/talk to dd1 or conked out in my little world lol.
Had a nightmare getting both of them to bed tonight but it was done by 1845 thank goodness.

evening all
dreaming of vodka martinis....

pretty good day even if night was disturbed every 2 hrs by hungry poppet- hi lummox

have been trying to get her some clothes but hate all the pink and fairy stuff, its ok in small doses( quite like the wings) but really...
must go to other shops rather than the local mothercare and next, even gap was a bit weird today, granted i was just looking for hat and mittens today.

also debating if i should still get a sling, we have a baby carrier but i find it unconfortable, maybe because of my shape, dh quite likes it. any thoughts gratefully welcomed

hope you all ok take care

SFX - When was your dd born? Our two have obviously been talking to each other about waking more often. Grrr.
Good Luck getting dd clothes that aren't pink or purple. I have resigned myself to it now. My little sis makes a point of buying her RED things all the time which I love. Hard to get though. She gets her stuff from H&M. She is much funkier than me so I sent her shopping with £40 in the summer for a few winter bits for dd1 and she got STACKS for the money, four long sleeve tops, three pairs of trousers, a skirt and four pairs of tights . Well I thought it was good anyway. Right off to make a coffee to watch X-factor with as I think it is on soon.

Evening all,

Katz, I have to say, I?m v. impressed with your cooking skills. I wouldn?t know where to begin cooking the most basic meat recipe. Luckily, neither DH or I eat meat so i dont face that issue. Does your DD1 eat meat? Just asking as I?m looking for veggie child advice. I agree with Skyler though, you must be the best wife ever to cook something for DH that you can?t eat yourself

Skyler, DH and I have done the carseat/no strapping thing as well, when DS was about a week old. I cried all the way home. I think its maybe one of those things we all do only once (I really hope). Now I check the straps about 18 times when I put him in the car. I?m utterly paranoid about doing it again. Don?t worry, I?m sure we?ve all been there, or similar things. You are certainly not a bad mummy.

Mrs Wed, I made an aloo gobi (not v. impressive) and a tomato couscous (better). I have made her quadruple chocolate cake, which I was ordered to make again. Lol at your sil not letting you near her cake. We can all sympathise with that

Twitch ? Hi lurky girl!!!!! As everyone has said, please feel free to join us, the more the merrier. Absolutely no need to apologise. Especially if the round?s on you (mines a pint btw). If it makes you feel any better, I b/feed and most definitely drink as well. Not much, but every gulp is highly appreciated and enjoyed

As for your lynny??.. Your secret is finally out??..

EYM ? big big hugs to you.

hiya mums hugs im back

Kats hunny I tried to cat u but it said u wont accept messages grrrr never mind, its very kind of you to invite us maybe next time xxxxxx

Well weve been to see georgia my sister is the bravest woman i know, she is coping so brilliantly, and bless she also trying to learn and read her baby girl, she is so tiny and my sis has such confidence with her.

I held my little neice and was prifavaliges to sit in on on some excellent breast feeding, our little girl managed 10 mins.

I do feel more reasurred, every time i see them my heart just goes out to her, we sat and cuddled for a time, and she told me exactly how shes was feeling warts and all which is what i wanted to hear, im so gald she is expressing her feeling to me bless her.

We talked about her expecting her perfect baby, and grieving for her loss, which we all totally understand.

Anyway sorry if too much Info there all fine, william loved his auntie looking after him so i do feel better.

Lynny hunny you do really well with your dd s your such alovely mummy and lways cheerful.

Sky im sure you miss DH hes ll be home soon but you have done an excellent job looking after your girls on your own big hugs.

right im off ML today she loves seeing william, o by the way showed my eldest sis the boots for the wedding she loved them so ive decided to waer them. lol

chat later xxxxx

afternoon all
just popped out by myself(i am a big girl) and it's awfull wet and nasty and i do like winter but not the endless grey wetness, more the frosty bright crisp mornings.
since i have lived n the uk, 13yrs now, i have always found hard the period from now till christmas when the days are so short.

DH is busy doing all the solid feeds and most of the care that doesn't involve breasts today. i think he is avoiding completing his tax returns, its been a work in progress for quite a few weeks now.

skyler- yes H&M the saviour! dont have conviniently located one with a baby department. i rely on family for that. i bought my pregnancy wardrobe there very cheap and resisted frequent washes well.
my dd is older than yours, born on the 2nd, one day after her due date. i just feel its part of the growing up business, she is doing something new, she needs more reassurance until she feels safer, well thats my theory anyway.
she is now drinking water from her beaker which is pretty good as far as i am concerned.

jonah and mrsW - all your talk of quadruple choc cake leaves me drooling, Homer style, on the keyboard, currently dd getting the blame

oh i should not have put on nearly 4 stone

EYM- your sister really is doing all the right things, mourning is needed before moving on. i am sure georgia will bring her a lot of joy. hope her heart troubles are not too severe. pretty much everyone with Downs that i have worked with have been great, some actually very independent. but i guess the most important thing when raising any child is a supportive loving family and that she clearly has.

hello, Not much time to post these days but nice to look in today. I hope everyone is ok.

Coop - you are skyla now??

DS is doing well, but I'm pretty tired. I might try to look in more when I have finished my assignment.

Hello all
Pink - Wow long time no chat! Glad you are OK. I have wondered how your course is going etc. Yes I am Skyler now.......
SFX - Oh yes your dd is a full 20 days older. i want a Bumbo having seen those pics of the babies in them on the Yahoo site. They look so cute, I think dd would love it. No way we will get one though as I am supposed to be getting rid of stuff before we move not accumulating more. Not even sure whether they sell them here either.
Jonah - Thank you for your car confession. We did it with dd1 too and that was a much longer journey in North Yorkshire . Still alls well that ends well and you are right about it not happening again. I have read the manual for our new car now and have learnt that I need to pull the seat belts out fully to lock them for the child seats. This is something else I wasn't doing and had thought dd's seat was a bit loose but would tighten on any impact . Feel happier now I have it sorted.
EYM - Your sister is amazing. And so are you. So glad you were able to talk so openly about everything. xx Can't imagine what you are all going through.
Well I am exhausted and just on my way to bed actually. DD2 is still feeding every two hours. I am giving it a bit longer to see if she is just having a growth spurt and trying to up my supply or if I need to consider weaning.... MY gut feeling is to wait longer before weaning and I think I will feel less desperate about it when dh is back. I am feeling a lot of demands at the moment and I am worn out.... DD1 has been pushing the boundaries today. We went out for lunch and she was misbehaving so I stood up and said 'Right we are going home now' and frogmarched us all out to the car. She sobbed and said she would be good and so we tried again and I was gobsmacked that she was good as gold not moving from her chair the whole meal (just sandwiches). She was chatting away to me too telling me all about the colours and how many of everything there were. Was v funny. dd2 was asleep. Was just as well really as I had no bread at home so I am not sure what we would have been eating . The pasta and veggies meant for dinner I suppose. She tried a black olive too and her face was hilarious. I told her she wouldn't like it but said she could try LOL.
Right off to bed. I have managed to get dd1 into creche for another 2 hours on Tues so that is 6 hours a week now. Yay. Promising to spend it with dd2 doing fun things not running around doing errands. The babies are growing so quickly aren't they. I feel I am missing it. Night night.

EYM - I completely understand about your mum. I'm coming up to the 10 year anniversary this month (22nd and my stupid birthday is the cay before so it's all mixed up) and it's bloody awful, I hate it, I miss her so much. Thinking of you - lots

Mrs W - Wallace and Gromit is a bit scary for a 3 year old I think. There are a few 'dark' bits as the scary bunny appears....yours might be made of sterner stuff than mine but I won't be taking her.

Hi Twitchett - I'm late in welcoming you but mine's a beer at the moment - can't stomach the usual wine for some reason.

Pink- hey you - nice to hear from you - hope you're doing ok.

Skyler - you're doing a grand job coping on your own with 2 - don't know how you're managing but I'm well impressed.

Lynny - I'm going to stick my neck out and say that if you want to give up the fags you'll get loads of support from me on here - your girls need you healthy and fags ain't that. All said with love and not meant to be too judgemental x

SFX and Red - see you tomorrow at 12. I'm going to get the bus/tube to St Paul's and walk across the wobbly bridge if the weather's ok. Looking forward to meeting you and your babies but a bit trepidatious too.

I've had a good weekend including a fab family visit to the National Gallery with a wonderfully inquisitive dd and a well-behaved ds and dh

Evening All,

EYM-Your'e doing an amazing job keeping it all together.I really admire you and how well you are coping.Your sister is very lucky to have you-you sound like a wonderful person.

SFX-Wow!,a beaker already.Our babies seem to be growing up so fast!

Skyler-I went mad,rushing out to get a Bumbo but really I think they're a waste of money.Can't see the point in plonking Ds in it,when he can't really do anything in there.He's much more comfortable in his swing or on his playmat.If I remember rightly Lummox also wasn't that impressed with the Bumbo,either!
Lol-at the olive.I tried Ds with some baby juice yesterday,so have now found something he doesn't like.His face was a picture-lol!

Welshie,SFX,Red-Hope you all enjoy the meet up tomorrow.I shall actually be going up to St.Pauls on Tuesday-we're finally taking ds up to work to see everyone.Will be really nice to see them all,but not looking forward to the journey!

Quick question here for everyone who's weaning.How many ice cube portion are your LO's having a day?
Ds has only 2 veggie cubes,quite a bit of rice and 4 bottles a day,but I've been chatting on another website tonight and the mums there are giving about 5 cubes per meal! I'm really baffled now as to what to do.I'm still not haviing any problems with sleep etc(sorry!!)and ds is a hefty 19lb,so just wondered really.

Have been busy on Ebay today also.Ds is now outgrowing his 3-6 months stuff so I've bought him a few bits on there,so much cheaper!
Have also decided to put all his old clothes on there and see if I can sell them.So many items he never even wore.

Hope everyone else is ok.xx

morning

bub - with ice cubes bear in mind that they do vary in size, dd2 is having 6 small cubes ~ 3 dessert spoons full or 3-4 large ones ~ 3 dessert spoons. i've got four different sizes of trays, the best ones though have to be tesco value atv 35p a tray, nice deep holes which take almost a whole dessert spoon full. i don't add any rice to the veggies. for breaky she has a dessert spoon of fruit puree 1oz of ebm and enough rice to thicken it all. we're up to 2 meals a day.

had a better sleep night last night she only woke once yeah, fingers crossed we have turned the corner

i mean level spoons not heaped

morning mums hugsss

thank you so much for your kind words about my sis, i do feel better havnt seen out baby girl.

Mr W i think it was you who mentioned the phone call during the wedding vows i put it to gill and shes over the moon about it, do you think we should ask vicar?

Wow our june babies are good little eaters william had a little bit of grandmas apple crumble and custard lol only a tiny taste he loved it, grandma was well impressed.

William is doing really wel lwith his baby rice too and ive bought some baanna rusks lol not listening to waeaning police anymore at least he will be more satified during our long journey to wales on friday.

My eldest boys are all going on train, no room in the car so fingers crossed they actually get there. you dont know my eldest boy hubby thought of sticking labels on them all if lost please return too lmaooooooo im not joking mums.

Ive got my HV comming this morning so maybe i can actually express all im feeling at the moment, i do feel a bit better but i think i really do need to talk about my feelings.

As i said to her last week why couldnt it be me to have our little georga i would do anything to take away my sisters pain.

sorry all me this morn be back later love to you all xxxxx