June '05 Mummies 5 - the one with lots of smiles, and lots of cuddles.

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one brand new shiney thread, title thanks to eym.

Hi all
Lynny - Grr and lol at you and the traffic warden. Half term isn't it? Creche that I was relying on to ease the burden a little is shut so rather than 6 sessions while dh is away dd1 is only going to have 3. Never mind. We are doing ok as long as we get out of the house. Went to the library today and have rented Ice Age as I wanted to see that too so that is this afternoon sorted . Crap mummy, but cold is still making me tired. That and dd1 up every three hours.
Trib - Grrr too for you waiting in for the potential renter. Did he not call or anything?? Sounds like your ds is up to the same things as dd2 on the sitting front. Exciting isn't it?
SFX and KVG - You are totally right on the baby 'rules' thing, ie that there are none. KVG I think you are totally right that it is a UK or western thing to get the babies sleeping through and expect so much from them etc etc. We want it all, but mainly due to the impressions we get from the media and baby gurus that this what we should expect. SFX - You make so much sense saying not to expect each day to be the same. These babies are a law unto themselves. I have much better days if I have no expectations and go with the flow. Otherwise I get frustrated with dd1 then me then dd2 and this helps no one just succeeds in me losing it .
Charley - DH has just over nine years left. He will get a pension then and will retrain as a plumber or sparky and still have all his fitness qualifications. Hopefully he will then work flexi doing bits and pieces and I will be the main earner with my career ha whatever that may be. A lot could change before then though.
KVG - My close friend's dh flies harriers (he was here training for three weeks a bit back and gave us our guided tour) and is just off to Afghanistan for the second time this year. I do not know how she copes, especially with two children under 4 at home too. He is so busy when he is home too, so I am not complaining at all. He loves his career though (as well as his family) and they seem to cope as they know it won't be forever.
Bedtime was a disaster last night with all three of us in tears at 6.30pm and no one in bed, however a sense of perspective was gained by 7pm when both girls were asleep. Phew.
DD2 bit me alot yesterday because of her cold. I really hope it doesn't become an issue as I really want to b/f her for as long as I did dd1, especially as I have my lovely toddler bringing all sorts of new germs into the house to expose dd2 too .
Right all for now. Have to ring Next and have a moan.

Aww Uwila, sympathy from me here regarding baby colds. It is so sad to see them all snuffly struggling isn't it. DD2's nose is all crusty when she gets up in the mornings too , although it was better today.

morning mums hugs

sorry have a rant comming on to grrrrrrrrr

Well at williams 6 weeks check doc discovered william had an innocent heart murmur right ive been waitting for an appiontmane from hospsptial to see the consultant.

i finally get a letter saying i can now arrange an oppoinment letter didnt come till monday morning and with all thats going on with my sis gill and her baby i forgot to arrange an appoinment same day but i knew i had 17 days like it states on the letter.

Well wrang up this morning to arrange an appoinment was asked why id had taken so long to call grrrrr i told the silly women it stated on the letter I had 17 days to arrange appointment and id had personal problems anyway she turned round and said well slot has been taken grrrrr i couldnt belive it. Stupid fking women anyway she said all we can do is put you back on waiting list im so bloody angry.

I mean its a heart murmur its not something to mess about waiting for i cant belive this stupid NHS.

Lynny that did make me laugh, can just imaging you telling traffic warden its true they do jump on people hubby wont park and let me nip in shop for anything.

Coops your doing really well with two little ones, shame dd1 has a cold, william deffaintely snacks my eldest sister came round to my house last nite, and we were talking about weaning ect, she said it wont hurt giving william a little bit baby rice, he is a big boy he needs something more, so ive decided will start next week.

William is trying to sit up too wow our june babies are clever, hes so determined and gets frustrated if hes not sat up enough.

Charley hunny i hope you get some sleep soon, are you feeling a bit better? did you sort out some councling?

Sfxmum i know your breast feeding hunny , but you do need a break, what about giving your baby formula milk feed or even expressed milk in bottle just to give yourself a break, a couple of feeds wont hurst your baby, just an idea.

You see i breast fed william till he was 8 weeks, and i know how tiring that is, so i tryed just on the nite a couple of bottle feeds (formual) as i couldnt express much at all, and i still breast fed william all through the day so he was still getting best of both worlds.

right im off got another ann summers party tonite, now that georga is feeding better i feel i can put in 100% of me in my parties, so im afraid its the whip and hangcuffs tonite lol, and ive got a penis hoppla game lmaoooo

[trying desperately to get the idea of penis hoopla out of my mind]

EYM, I think you need to speak to the hospital again. This "getting people to phone up and book" system is all very well, but not if they can't keep their side of the bargain. In days of yore (like about six months ago) they would have sent you a letter with a time in and that would have been that. This is meant to give the patient more "choice", not mean that unless you pick up the phone the second the letter arrives you are shoved back in the queue.

I'd suggest either you or dh phone again and explain the situation, or you write a letter of complaint.

EYM, I'm with Trib. Call back and demand the appointment they promised you (get their name too). Tell them that if they refuse to give you one, you will report them to PCT (or whatever the appropriate authority is). You might also ring the GP and see if he/she can put some pressure on. You have a right to that appointment, and they have an obligation to give it to you.

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Hello again,
EYM - Get on the phone. That is crazy!! Contact your GP too. What do they think they are playing at. Yet another reminder of how lucky I have been out here to avoid the NHS .
How is your neice doing at the mo?
Lol at Penis Hoopla!!!!
Lynny - Poor Leona. I hated being a teenager. I was such a bitch and so angry and miserable . It must be very confusing for her. Wishing you luck in approaching and dealing with it. It is hard enough to handle in the best of situations, let alone with Leona's complications.
I know my two girls will make me pay for how I was with my parents and I think my Mum will love it lol .
I am thinking of changing my name on here. I fancy a change at the mo, although I have thought of a Christmas name for this one so perhaps I will wait....
Ice Age was very funny and has avoided all tantrums and tears this afternoon. All three of us have had a lovely sit down and cuddle watching it together and I don't care what any experts say that was a very good way for us to spend our afternoon. Happy Mummy = Happy baby. Even managed to do the veggies for dinner with no problems. Not going to make the 6pm bedtime tonight (obviously as I am on here, two hours ahead of you) but I reckon on 6.30pm so all is well in the Coops household.

afternoon all
strange night it was, but we made up for it sleeping until nearly ten this morning.

dd joining the club of the sitter uppers, bloody perilous it is too, she keeps getting frustrated if she cant quite manage and this happens quite often.

lynny- hope kidney scan comes up with good news.
about traffic wardens dont think they actually employ people known for compassionate nature.
DH got a ticket on our wedding day, guess he was too nervous on his way in and when he parked the car he mistakenly put coins in the wrong meter. warden there on our return to car and refused to give us a break, probably because i was not wearing white, who knows...

eym- you really should complain. i said before my work turned me into serial professional complainer and honestly NHS and social services in general are the worst offenders. write things down all the point you want to make keep calm and dont give up or hang up until you get what you want. oh yes and dont get annoyed, annoy them with your calmness.

btw thanks for concern and suggestion, i do express milk fairly easily and DH is usually on feed duty early in the morning.
he does help like i never cook during the week or do laundry- not such a bad deal

quick post hugs

aww arnt you all sweet, thanks for the concern
told hubby when he came home for diner he was straight on the phone complaining, he wouldnt talk to anyone but the supervisor.
He was very authoritive i was quite impressed, anyway the outcome was that because heartspecialist sooo special there along waiting list, weve havnt been put to the back and we will notified as soon as their is a vacancy, i was to angry to call back anyway she appologised for the way i was treated but hubby said he was going to make complaint anyway and quickly too supervisors name.

I mean who do they think they bloody are, and if you dont make an appoinment withing 17 days your fked sorry girls but you are, wait till i go see the consultant was very impressed by hubby.

right of to get ready ok P ** game is very funny

Good for your dh EYM.
SFX - I completely failed to comment about your Dad being involved in war. What a nightmare. I am so glad that dh is in the RAF and not the Army. The pictures on the news of the lads returning to their families (like the Cold Stream Guards this week) have me in tears every time. It is such a mess in Iraq at the moment too .

Ds sat for a few seconds today too!! I had to put him in the right position though - there's no way he could get there himself yet - are yours sitting up on their own already?!

Lynny - love what you said to the tossy traffic warden. Hope you managed to laugh at him too - or at least blow him a kiss. Hope Leona feels less emotional soon, poor love. Good luck with the scan results.

Coop - what a good point you made about the baby gurus - you're so right - if they didn't say your baby should be sleeping through etc, you just wouldn't be interested in listening to them or buying their books. Plumbers and sparkies make soo much money Coop - you;ll have your work cut out to be the main breadwinner if he retrains as one of those! Can't imagine the worry your friend must have with her dh working in Afghanistan. Hope you get everyone in bed with no tears tonight after such a lovely day.

Yorkie - what a bitch - there was no need for her to question you like that! Good for you and your hubby giving them a bit of shit back. I feel ok at the moment, thanks for asking - I'm due to have a chat with my hv on Friday but I might cancel because talking about stuff kind of makes me feel worse especially as (even though I like her), she's not one to say "Oh he's fine, I don't know what you're worrying about". Hope you had a good party!!!!

evening junies! bero here.
thank you all so much for your reassurances on Sat night. ds is fine again - was a bit weird and grouchy yesterday, but you can see those front teeth waiting to emerge and it could well be that.
eym, grrrrrr on your behalf. How frustrating that must be - plus what do those bureaucrats think they're playing at?
lynny, good luck with the scan results.
ooohhh, all these sitters! ds can't quite do that yet but he is rolling a lot and keeps pushing himself up really far with his arms and making crawl movements with his legs!
well, it never rains - I seem to have bered my back now . Had congenital hip dislocation, have scoliosis and have been really lucky on the back/hip front so far - now I've developed pain at the base of my back and my left thigh and am sort of half-hobbling - think (hope) it's nothing serious, and the pain is mild, but am a bit pssed off all the same. Off to the orthopaedist on Fri.

Oh FIT - what a pain. I had to see a physio for my back when dd1 was about 1. Having babies is very bad for your backs as your are constantly lifting and leaning over. I am doing my exercises regularly this time to hope it doesn't happen again. My pain shot down my leg and it took them ages to decide what it was. Very odd.
Charley - Good too hear from you. DD2 is no where near sitting on her own. She just thinks it would be a nice idea. She does Lummox's 'monkey position' and tries to eat her toes and just wants to be more upright I think.
Charley - If I am honest I hope dh earns stacks. The RAF pay for some of his training too and he is qualified to coach lots of sports and work as a sports therapist too so there are a few strings to his bow that hopefully he can do part time with that and his pension. We are hoping that one of us will be able to be around for the children for school hols illness etc. We shall see. Oh dear dd2 awake.

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Hello everyone,
Hope you're all doing ok.
Charley - have replied to your CAT.
Bero - sorry about your back - back pain is just awful.
Re feeling down about winter etc I went to see the homeopath (free with Sure Start in our area) about feeling miserable and she gave me some stuff. I kid you not I feel like a new woman - Lord knows what it was but it's like I've taken serious drugs. I still don't understand how it works but frankly I don't care I can't remember feeling this full of energy since ds arrived.
Worth a try for amyone who feels crap but not quite crap enough (if you know what I mean?!)
Ds is not to keen to practise sitting up, what he loves is lying on his tummy and making crawling attempts, rolling is another favourite activity.
I bought him a door bouncer and he thinks this is pretty cool too. Took him to playgroup this morning and he spent a good 10 mins looking at himself in the toy mirror - typical bloke!!!
he's right though - he is quite gorgeous (you can tell the homeopathy's working - I wanted to give him back yesterday )

Welshie, what did she give you? I know a guy at work who could use some.

Well, I'm delighted to say I've decided not to go to work tomorrow. We're all suffering from this bloody cold. But, mostly I'm taking the day off because like a bloody absent minded working mum whose not quite as organised as she pretends, my MOT is up on Friday, my tax disc is due on Monday and I'm truly up the duff if I think anyone is going to do an MOT on Saturday when it will be too late to get the tax disc because my MOT will have expired. Nothing quite like planning ahead!! OOPS. Oh yeah, and how I'm going to pay for all of this is still a mystery.

Im back mums

great party p** hoopla went down a treat, good fun even had a couple of glasses of wine business was good too, took my daughter in law to be with me, shes lovely very bubly just like me.

William was very unsetled though when i left, he hasnt gone down for a proper nap all day, so i was worried leaving him, hubby said he just wants you, which i know he does bless him. Anyway he settled down to sleep 30 mins after i went out so feel better now.

i dont know about you mums but i do love spending all this time with my baby boy, couldnt do this with my first boys, but I really need to get to some mother and baby groups or massage or something, william doesnt know what a baby is, at clinic he just stares at the babies and looks at me.

charley if your feeling better hunny that great, but if you really need to chat to someone about your problems then maybe not your HV but somebody else would be better. Im only speaking from experience and i know how hard it is to talk about things that hurt us, or we dont want to remember but belive me it is better to talk about it, in a different way. sort of remove yourself from the situation there is ways charley hunny.

Lymmy the dreaded teens i was horrible, so moody i hope Leonna will be ok then i know she will because she has a lovely mummy.

Welshie wow i could do with some of that more energy count me in lol what did he give you?

Bero im so glad your little one is ok hugs

nite mums xxxxxx

EYM - so pleased the hoopla went well I really enjoyed the Ann Summers party I went to - didn't do that though - much more sedate.
The homeopath gave me mercury.....
Uwila - you're right we do have to hold an alarming amount of info in our heads now. I'm going to have to do some serious compartmentalising if work's going to be successful. Also need to have alot of extra things in my drawers at work - as I know I'll be doing my mascara there or on the tube. Any tips working mother of 2??

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Lynny lol at your mind.
How are we all today. For me so far so good. Had fun at musical tots and then dd was great in the shops and walking home. Best of all my cleaner has been and I am out tonight so only have to reheat dd some veggies and cook a fishfinger or two for her tea. Minimal washing up too. I am off go carting for a friends 40th bday.
Welshie - Mercury???!!!! Blimey. Glad it is having a good effect.
What is Sure Start? I think it has started since we left the UK and I keep muddling it up with Home Start and so feel a bit confused.
EYM - Glad all was ok at the party.
Uwila - Hope the car passes its MOT and that you do something fun with your day off too.

Lynny - you saucy mare. Made me think though, haven't had much in my drawers of late.....also need to purchase more exciting drawers. Have promised myself a shop for that stuff once the bfing is over.
Coop - Sure Start is a govt initiative to target money for unders 4's who don't live in well-off areas. It all gets a bit confused though as it's done by post code and our area has a real mix of people - all sorts use the provisions laid on. It's supposed to be heavily influenced by local parents and provide them with what they ask for. Ours has reflexology, homeopathy, breast feeding drop ins, some great playgroups etc. They also fund art and music sessions, baby bounce and one off events - day trips etc. It's as good as the people in charge in your area.
It's being phased out to be replaced by children's centres that will provide facilities for all. There should be a children's centre for every area....eventually and they should bring together all things that parents and under 4's need in one place.
I'm a big fan of sure start and have met loads of mums I wouldn't normally bump into.
Have fun at the go-carting Coop - I've just sorted a baby sitter so dh and I can go to the flicks. I'm desperate to see the new Bill Murray film - and go out with dh of course

Welshie - Presume you are leaving both the babies at home. I am very impressed. Have a great time and thanks for the Sure start info. I look forward to taking advantage when I get back.
I am taking dd2 with me go-karting . There is a clubhouse and my friends mum will be there and not racing to 'babysit' for me. Fingers crossed dd2 will just sleep.

Really will try to catch up properly tonight but wanted to share with you ds' first ever instant message today:

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#nb ./''l,/poooooooook,..........;m.l/ jkk mnnbk,

(He may have just been randomly hitting the keys of the keyboard but .. just think, maybe this is some profound statement and my baby is a genius! )

just popping in whilst making tea for Dd

had a good/scary day today...went to museum of childhood which was great....but Dd ran off and I couldn't find her, had to get security to sweep the building whilst I tried not to think of various awful scenarios....fortunately they found her playing with the games. Gonna get one of those wrist things I think. Anyone got any reccomendations?

I've booked a sitter for Monday night - it's Dhs birthday so determined to get OUT for a couple of hours.....hopefully

welsh - you've inspired me to ask my homeopath for some energy pills!! can't believe you get it for free!!

just a peek
omg - rhm... what a fright!
used to think those wrist /body things looked awfull but now that i am a parent, thinking of implant gps type thing that beeps loudly and has flashing lights should she stray a few inches.
clearly going to be embarassing mother

glad all ok talk later