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How exciting for a new thread - two FESHspring due shortly!

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Oh hallelujah! Jailbait got it right yesterday! I went in to the office at lunchtime and was at a horse thing in the evening - got home and he'd made Bear have a big poo (vaseline on thermometer ) and fed him well. Bear didn't make a single peep until 5:50 this morning, in fact I woke at 4 to check he was still alive! The boy done good - normally when he's in charge for the day I have a rough night.

I am ignoring the overflowing bin/washing up/wet washing in the machine/crap all over the coffee table. At least I got 7 hours uninterrupted!

moo Speaking of Guinness, I can heartily recommend a Black Russian with a splash of Guinness to make you feel better. [MamaNeedsACocktail]

silv Fire up the beast!

silv, I'll say it again tell HI that WHAT YOU CAN EXPRESS BEARS NO RELATION TO WHAT THE BABY GETS appols for shouting, but if you go by that as an indication you will worry. Keep on with the infacol, it has a cumulative effect, and MB might well have had trapped wind issues. Artie was a diffrerent baby after a couple of days of infacol.

honey what an amazing story. You iz well brave innit. Get plenty of rest please!

Silver, Cos speaks the truth wrt expressing. And Infacol.

silv I think you should have an idea as to whether your boobs are providing or not. It was painfully obvious to me that my tits were empty. I'm sure you've an idea of what's going on with your own body - isn't there this "let down" feeling they talk about - I suppose if you feel that and you're leaky it's all good. My tits were sahara like! If MB was "starving" he'd be screaming blue bloody murder and wasting away before your very eyes!

Silv how old is he? Ministew had colic/reflux and it was awful, so I sympathise.

Agree with what Cos said about expressing and Infacol. Also, I found gripe water quite good for a while. And keeping him upright in a sling as much as poss helped a bit. And don't forget your GP can give you stronger stuff fthy don't help.

In the end for us the only thing that did the trick was taking him to our chiropractor - if you want more info on that will happily supply but I always feel a bit uncomfortable suggesting that as now I'm training to be one and feel like am recruiting to a religion or something! Others found cranial osteopathy helped but I have to say for us it didn't.

Hope Moo is doing ok today.

MB is 2 wks and 4 days. So still ickle.

costalot I shall repeat with capitals at HI.

Last night was better. I kid you not. We were out at NCT all arvo and MB slept thru the whole affair. Then I changed and fed him and then we whipped into town and home by 8. We had the usual feeds 8-12-3-730all demand led and no screaming. I am not shitting you. No screaming. Amazing. Is it the drucks or is it the boobs working better cos of my hot towelling and massage etc??

BTW M&S don't do Nursing bras big enuff for me. So i is still bra-less. Will have to go to Ealing on Sunday. Can't order on line as no idea what size I am!!!

Well done JB!

Thanks Cassie feel free to send me details.

that's great silv. lol at comedy boobage, sorry! could be a combo of both, as well as good sleep in the day, which somehow always means better sleep at night.

Alpie not everyone feels the let down, sometimes I do, sometimes not, so again not a great indication. Happy alert baybee with wet nappies and some poos is best indication.

Am having horrible clothes dilemma. Desperately searching for just above knee A-line skirt, pref in camel tones & wool mix. Only place coming anywhere near my criteria is Boden. Any other ideas of where to shop online which does fatso sizes?

What does this "let down" feel like? For those of you experiencing it I mean. Feel free to make something up about the Zambezee and the smell of neroli if you've never felt it.

ha ha you qant boden!

letdown feels a bit tingly alps.

fantastic birth story, Moo, I am in awe.

Just had a mini-fight with jb, I was working and for about 2 hours he was stomping up and down wanting to go out for an early dinner (he's working tonight). So in the end I just turned the lappy off in the middle of something and grabbed a jacket.

Got to the restaurant, no dummy, no toy, no nappy, no wipes... you get the pic. I sent him straight next door to Boots to buy a dummy.

Anyway, halfway through our main course two girls came in who I recognised as nurses who'd looked after me in the summer, in fact one of them was my sole carer for about 5 shifts over the week. Had a quick hello, etc. and she said "oh, yes, you're the lady who had twins."

Will be having serious words with jb later as to the geographical location of my missing baybee!

(I remember seeing a thank-you card on the wall from a Canadian lady who'd had OMGTWINZ! LOL, so I think she probably just mixed me up with her. I hope. )

Well today has been vile. Non stop crying and screaming. We have now progressed to fussy feeding Inc snatching/pulling my nips and general frustration on his part. He has slept for about 90mins total today which means tonight is prob gonna be tough.

Met Health Visitor - lovely lady. Doesn't look old enough to drive let alone have her own kids or be HV. She was so nice to me ESP about my trauma at the hossie that I wanted to cry. Tears of relief really.

MB is a fatty! Not only is he the biggest as NCT he has put on a lb and is now 9lb 8oz. So who wants to stand up and tell me that he is not getting enuff milk? Anyone? Anyone?

Cosavo ze boobs is depressing. Talk about monkeys in hammocks. Felt so sorry for the bird in M&S trying to measure me. I reckon I may be a J or K cup. Plz to have surgery if they end up as saggy pancakes post bf.

Birf story to follow. Honest. Will prob do in stages otherwise it will end up as war and frigging peace.

Happy Friday and hope you all have nice weekends. I pray mine will be.

Here I am again. Good day here, and wondering when this might change... He has slept and fed well all day so hoping this doesn't now mean I'll be up all night. silver your day sounds tiring you poor thing... I am preparing myself for the inevitable since I'm only a week or so behind you.

I'm definitely getting more let down sensations now - bloody hurts when it's cold as I discovered getting up this morning. Like pins and needles contracting in your boobs. So far not much leakage - does that get worse? I'm going to start expressing tomorrow a la GF (ducks) so maybe I'll start spurting like a maniac. Need to work out how to actually use the steriliser and breast pump first though. Um not sure my brain is up to it.

Thanks for comments folks, I am slightly embarrassed about length of birth story but that is actually the abridged version. Right silver get yours on here...

Silversky Will paraphrase book. Basic premise is that there are 4 trimesters - the 4th being outside the womble.

He suggests 5 s's to emulate invitro comfort:

shushing - with mouth, white noise on radio, etc etc

swinging/ swaying - rocking basically, but not too gently

Sucking - boob/finger - don't think he suggests a dummy can't remember

sideways - so hold him on his side when in your arms

swaddling.

My friend's husband used to do all 5 - listen to his tunes with his nr headphones on, whack up the white noise, and rock their daughter turned sideways whilst swaddled with a finger in her mouth!

Have linked to an article I found on it all [http://ezinearticles.com/?What-Are-the-5-Ss-And-How-Do-They-Work?&id=145833 here] hope something there helps :) Babies - gorgeous, and bloody knackering.

oops link

Thanks again Princess. Will read Link.

Will fire up lappy tmw as home alone and crack on with birf story. Too much to type on fone.

MB is mega tired from little sleep. Snoozed a bit whilst we were out with dog off roading in the woods with the buggy! Woke him up half hr ago to bath and change. Only second bath he has ever had. He is not a fan. I left HI to dress him. Well MB has his vest on backwards!! Doh!!

I have just spilt Infacol all over the sofa. Muppet.

hunzer enjoy your boy! For me it was so much more straightforward in the hossie. Prob cos they were sweating us both to sleep constantly!!! Hopefully you won't suffer from colic.

If he doesn't like the bath silver perhaps try holding him while you have one with him? Is the only way ours liked it in the early days- midwife suggested it, I got in and MrBoo passed him over. We gently poured water on him while he snuggled in my arms. He loved it - and it is very lovely too - don't worry about having the water temp too cold either - if you are too cold then he will be too.

Praying to the Egyptian Gods on the BESH barge for a good night for you - no sleep is bloomin rubbish.

boo will try that too.

So far he fed at 8 and I have been asleep on sofa waking up to find HI cuddling MB at 2345!! Poor baby needed feeding ! Which I am doing however he has soiled his clean nappy meaning him being nice and sleepy after will go out the window when I change his bum!

In horsey news, have has woes that sharer not coping. Odd cos I spoke to her today and all was well. Looks like I may have to get back to yard duties asap or when I can be driven there. Will talk to HI and see if he can help out. Was nice not having to worry about the hoss but will have to see if I can cope with hoss and baybee sooner than I would have liked. Oh well that's how things roll sometimes !

In my tired state i forgot my manners - thank you boo!!!!!!

silver I bet you're doing an amazing job - you're sounding very down on yourself lately. If it goes too far, get thy to a doctor for some happy pills. As for a nappy change when they're hungry - I tend to let him finish half (easier when they've got a bottle obv.), change, then finish the rest - that way they don't get that rude awakening when changing the nappy afterwards.

Why do you think the sharer isn't coping? Wish I could help somehow. :( I think it's OK going up to see the hoss for cuddles etc., but I think DIY is more than you can do - should be doing right now!

This place is great: www.nursingbra-shop.co.uk/search.asp?types2=Nursing+Bras free delivery and I see they go up to an L cup. Should you need larger than an L-cup, I'd suggest you simply tie some baling twine to two buckets. I've used this shop and was very happy - I think honeymoo used them too.

Thanks alps. I iz teary it's troo. Had another better night last night except for an unexpected nappy change after a feed and then he was wide awake. But no screaming so all good. Infacol and mad shushing seems to work. I would swaddle him in his Moses but i can't do properly so safer not to do at all.

MIL coming round.

Sharer is finding winter hard work and hubs is giving her gip. Another livery text me. Still early in the winter so...... Think HI will help out where he can. I know I shouldn't and I know I am not ready physically. We took dog out yday with MB and i was in agony by the time we got back. If we can't cope with diy then will have to look at other options. Livery/loan/see if old owner will take him etc. Frankly it's stressing me out. Stupid bloody c section. Bastards.

Thx for bra link. They are also depressing me. Huge ugly things! Roll on tmw and the shops. Hope we get out the house. Then we have evening stables as sharer away. So busy tmw.

HV said house was too tidy (it's not !!) and she hoped it was cos HI at home.

Sorry for the non ESH post.

Silver just wanted to butt in to say it sounds like you are coping fantastically, and especially given your section and mad sleep deprivation. Must you go to the shops? Would really recommend doing absolute minimum to survive in first few weeks. I know nothing about horses, but surely it won't hurt to leave him under sharer's care for another few weeks. Don't underestimate how much better you will feel week on week, things that seem insurmountable today may not be by next Saturday. And prioritize sleep - give yourself a day in so you can drop everything and nap when MB naps. I've just turned the 6 week corner and can honestly say I never believed in the first weeks that I'd get here. Things will change each day in the beginning, MB is still very young and learning, as are you. Give yourself a break, don't expect too much, and let as much as possible go. Big hug x

Poss MB is not big enough, but Clint slept much better when we bought him a grobag - can't kick off and wake himself up. Though could just be that he suddenly settled a..

Silver if sharer says to you she is coping, she is probably coping (regardless of what other liveries say. Oh, the bliss of having my own place now and not having to listen to other liveries any more. Although even your own place doesn't remove the bother completely!) It may be that she is having a grumble to other people, because that's what people do, but in actual fact is just fine and finding winter a bit miserable. Many people do.

But if she is going up there every day, and hoss is being fed and mucked out, then really that's all you need atm. Give yourself a break for a bit and let someone else do the hard work for you. Honestly - hoss will be fine! So far I have neglected 4 different horses at different stages of 2 pregnancies, and none of them seem to hold a grudge. They still mug me for polos!

I was back in the saddle at 5 weeks, and hunting again at 3 months, but if you had told me that 2 weeks after my CS I would have laughed my head off at you. Your body recovers very quickly after laying, but you have to give it a good chance to do so in the first few weeks.

Can you not go and talk to your current yard owner about full livery for a little bit, maybe only 2-3 months? I had Big Horse on full livery for a while and it was lovely. I just turned up to ride. Sharer can still ride to keep him fit, and you will have a horse ready for you to escape on once you feel ready. If yard owner does not provide full livery, discuss the possibility of hiring freelance groom - they are charging £7-8ph plus petrol round here, and you would only need a groom for an hour a day max - they should be able to feed, muck out, groom, change rugs and maybe even 15mins lunge in an hour if they are any good. Tell HI its an essential expenditure for the good of your health and you'll do a bit of overtime when you go back to work to cover it.