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How exciting for a new thread - two FESHspring due shortly!

silv Don't worry about sounding off about non-ESH things - that is what we're hear for. We are still the wonderful, fabulous women we were BEFORE we got pregnant - it's not all about the babies you know!

Bit of an odd suggestion - but Evans do some pretty "pretty" bras - smallest back size is 38 in an H cup if that were to be any good. They won't have nursing flaps of course.

VAG is right - the first 6 weeks are really tough and then suddenly you'll turn a corner, be in some semblance of a routine and feel more like you again. We too love sleeping bags, I was always scared he was going to get sheets/blankets over his face. Cossie gave us a lovely growbag which was fab for night feeds to as you don't even need to get them out of it or have to tuck them back in. You just pick up the entire bundle!

boxer's suggestion of temporary full/groom livery is excellent. Riding after the c-section at 6 weeks was lovely, but it did hurt and it did make me tired. I could not have been carrying water buckets/hay bales and pushing wheelbarrows at that point. I also agree that if your sharer thinks she's doing OK then she probably is. As long as hoss is fed & watered it really honestly won't care if there's a bit more shit in the bed than ideal or the rug isn't taken off every day. As long as the feet are getting picked out daily everything can wait until you're back in charge!

MB is only 3 weeks old, I know at 3 weeks post Bear everything was still a blur and I think we were at the height of sleep deprivation + early-evening colic but you will get through it. :)

We all love you and wish you loads of hugs. xxx

Silv I echo the others. The first six weeks are like nothing else, but all of a sudden you do turn a corner and everything becomes a little easier. I remember a friend telling me that at 3 weeks and I cried and cried because I couldn't stand the thought of another hellish 3 weeks. Having said that it did pass in the blink of an eye. Every day is different when they are so little and new. I also second the use of Infacol - it does build so stick with it.

With regard to the hoss I'd say unless the sharer comes to you with problems then I'd disregard what any other liveries say. Don't let it stress you out, that is the last thing you need at the moment. Take it easy, rest whenever you can and get HI to take the strain as much as possible. You will get through this I promise! xxx

Moo your birth story is amazing. No wonder you had to go and have a good cry at the end of it!

Does anyone remember fanny's "Indigo/Rainbow" children thing? Today I have seen something which actually out-wanks this. It made me howl at the sheer ponciness of it - obviously at least three of you will be doing it and will hate me forevah.

Ta y'all.

I am going to speak/meet sharer and get the info straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Trouble is to look at i come over as fine til I have to walk any distance and some horsey visitors prolly think I am doing better than I am cos I haven't shared the nitty gritty.

My pal suggested the same in that it might be a bit of bs and she should say directly or perhaps she didn't like to and has got someone else to do it for her. All in all it's extra aggro I can just do without at the mo.

Infacol seems to be taking effect. Anyone got any tips for stressy baybee when he's feeding? Kicking put and pulling away? Could it be wind??

The sleep deprivation is terrible isn't it?

Have also managed a bath tonight whilst HI took charge.

MIL is buying MB a bouncy chair which will be nice.

Thanks for all your support and advice. It means a lot and is preventing me from going totally crazy.

Silv we all go through this, you are not alone. Have you tried swaddling him to feed so he can't wriggle so much? Or maybe the rugby ball hold? Sorry if you've tried these already. I'm amazed how much I can't remember from Boo was newborn... Am I going to have to start from scratch again do you reckon?!

Oh one thing I remebered from Boo (she had dreadful wind) was I found holding her more upright when she fed. If I held her too horizontal she got more wind.

Will try swaddling to feed and will try and feed more upright tho this may prove challenging due to big boobage.

Going to try and get some shut eye now before he wakes again !!

All tips and advice are welcome. ESP as I am starting to fall out with HI, which wont help me.

Good luck darlin, I hope you get some quality shut eye. Xx

How are you feeling this morning silver? Rugby ball hold is supposed to be good for massive mams if you're not doing it already. If MIL hasn't already bought one - ask about motorised ones - have tried one with Bear and it's fucking amazing. He just sits there in silent awe!

As for stables, no need to go in to details just hobble from car and say you had a c-section. Unless they're completely unobservant twats once they see you hobbling they should stfu pdq!

The wriggly feeding thing for us was the absolute worst at around 3 weeks - I echo the swaddling. Even now we have a few feeds a week like this, but because they're less frequent they don't upset me. Swaddling is the way forward.

As for falling out with HI - I'm pretty sure this is 100% normal, just agree that it's just sleep deprivation, stress etc. and not that you fundamentally dislike each other. I think it was CluckyKate who said that the relationship would move to a constant state of bickering - almost there Kate! We've now been snapping at each other since 5am... but it's nothing serious.

Can't remember whether it was me that said it [thicko emoticon] but wholeheartedly agree. Two years on the bickering continues... but, equally, it's nothing serious.
Read an article, whilst enjoying breakfast in bed this morning, about taking each other for granted & felt very sheepish - MrCK does rock (some of the time) I just keep forgetting to tell him.

Hope the chat with the sharer goes OK Silver. This time of year is tough for all horsey peeps what with the dark evenings, driving rain, mud up to your armpits etc. - maybe she needs a small token of appreciation to keep the goodwill going.

As for the wriggly feeding, don't remember any of that so perhaps it's a boy thing. Had a stark reminder of what's to come when Boxy came over for supper last night - wriggling, clawing, wailing & full-on screaming but oh what beautiful smiles, giggling, gurgling & chatting. T'is all too easy to dwell on the bad stuff without taking the time to indulge in the good things.

Silver I was rubbish at swaddling so I bought one of these off ebay: here Velcro simplicity! Think we only used it for about 6 weeks as he started to dislike it but it was worth it nevertheless. Hope you had a good night last night.

Howdy.

Last night was awake from 1am for a change and feed. However MB would not settle without me singing and eventually after another bum change and feed he finally went down at 320am. HI blissfully slept thru the whole episode then woke up as I was climbing back into bed and I told him how long I'd been up. I did slightly not like him at this point. Prob is when he does help out its usually by holding MB on his lap whilst he reclines back in bed "resting his eyes" and he is not the quietest of sleepers eg HI wriggles and rolls and throws himself about a bit and I worry about MB if he does fall asleep so I end up staying awake. If there are any probs it's down to me to sort. Which is tough but I can't really complain cos I can't let go either.

Pleased to report I now have bras. Fecking huge but bras all the same. Gotta go back in four weeks when I should have reduced!! Bloody hope so.

Will deffo get sharer a pressie. Am v keen to get to the bottom of what is going on if anything at all.

Like the look of the fleece pols. Do they get quite warm???

Yes, TT was definitely easier to feed than LG is! And I do believe LG saves his loudest screams for when we get together with Clucky!

sorry been away and need to catch up properly. Just want to ask Silv if your boy seems panicked when feeding? Is he arching his back when pulling away? Or seeming like he wants to eat but it's also torture? Because that's how it started with Squeaker's reflux. Just another idea if all else isn't working. And it's easily fixed if mild (not vomming everywhere). hope you are getting more rest.

Yep arching when pulling away. No vomming. What to do?

could be wind, but if he's burping and still seems in pain could be reflux. I looked at symptoms online and went to doc and got infant gaviscon. She was all wriggly and panicking at feeds then started vomming at about two or three weeks. Another sign is acidic smelling breath. Sometimes they don't vom but do feel the acid burn in their pipes. Often want to suckle to soothe themselves but over feeding makes worse. Upright feeding and elevated sleeping helps them keep it down. But if it is reflux best bet is a trip to the doc.

It usually happens towards the end of a feed. Almost like frustration. Usually a burp sesh fixes it. Sometimes he screams whilst arching/getting annoyed. Sometimes not.

I hve read that you are supposed to change your breast pads after each feed! Doesn't say that on the box. Well I've not been doing that!! Do you guys?

Currently feeding and just changed his bum! Another stinky smelly one! This time looked a bit green. Is this normal???

Oh and MIL suggested again about expressing !! I told her it had no bearing on what MB ia getting as he is way more efficient than a breast pump anyway.

Also whilst out and about I nearly lost the plot as as
we headed back to the car I was left with the buggy (not pushing it cos am not allowed yet) and next thing I know I am literally barged out the way by MIL !!!!!!!

She is being a pure bitch, no two ways about it. It's about time you snap at her and hurl some venom - you can always say it was "just hormones" in a day or two!

green can be caused by wind deffo - although arties were all green for 2 weeks then went back to normal. also artie often gets fussy at boob if needs a burp. re reflus there is a long thread on the feeding section on it which list symptoms, so have a read and see.

I dont change pads after each feed, just when i think they need it!

MIL sounds like a ptia, you need to get HI on the case (oh yeah falling out so so normal) - we were at MILs this w/end and one of artie's nappies was a bit green. MIL said "doesn't that mean they are noit getting enough milk" to which TGO said "no, and do not ever ever suggest to Cos that you doubt how much he's getting" (obv i not in room at time)

In other news Artie spent till 5ish in his basket last night, setling back in after feeds no prob. this is something of a breakthrough.

Ah good. As NHS book says if green poo to call Dr/HV!!!

HI says I am being possessive. We have him all the time and not to stress. Typically when preggo didn't see MIL that often but now she is keen to spend time with MB. Incl helping out round house and don't mean to sound ungrateful but it's all the 'advice' that does my head in.

Have already fallen out with HI this am. Plz to know how to avoid divorce during first few weeks.

The health pros all go on about listening out for grunting cos tis bad. Now of a night MB makes all sorts of noises - Inc contented baby noises as well as a sound like he is clearing his throat or he makes a sound that seems to be frustration but in the early hours I lay there wondering if it's grunting !!! Anyone?

Silver Only a couple of weeks until you can drive then you can get away from MIL.

Until then 'tis an idea to learn the art of smiling at her and agreeing while doing your own sweet thang regardless :o

Grunting is also normal imo. It could mean trapped wind, but some babies are just v noisy!

I am also posessive, I get itchy when someone else holds artie for too long, his cuddles are mine all mine

"grunting baby syndrome" veyr normal. squeaks was even banished to her own room for a couple of weeks when v young because of it. I read she'd grow out of it by 8 weeks and she did.

And being possessive is normal too. Sometimes i won't even give her to SFF