Oct 2007 - These little piggies are not so little any more!

[Dalrymps]

Welcome to the thread for ladies who's lo's were born on Oct 2007!

Some of us have been here from the begining and some have joined along the way. New ladies always welcome to join in and chat with us, we're a friendly bunch!

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Hey ladies, here's the new thread, had to start it cause the old one is nearly full and Inzi has been in touch to say she can't post on it as it won't load on her phone. She has been booked in for a section on fri!!!

Hope you are all well, off to bed for now

Yes Jana is home! All I can say is omg how do you cope with two???? I can't get a thing done!

Thank you for all your support over the last week, it was a bit grim and it helped knowing I could talk to you guys.

Good luck with the project NC. I think it is better to do these things on your own. I did a group project at uni and it ended up being my worst mark as one of the girls in the group didn't pull her weight.

That's a shame about Anya's nights QOL. I am not sure what you could do. I hope it does pass.

In all the fuss we have not managed to register the birth. Hoping I can get it done tomorrow!!

Eva how's things now?

That is great Neeps! Pah, it's going to take a few weeks to get any kind of routine or normality with a straightforward give birth and settle, the past weeks you've had I'd just take each hour as it comes. So what do you have planeed for the next few days? Registering birth tomorrow, then are you going to spend a few days at home getting to grips with things?

I'm starting to panic about whether we've made the right choice to move. Rich is going to take a pay cut, I'm going to have no income and the cost of living is loads higher, in fact rental is more than double what I pay now. How will we manage?? On top of that it looks like I'm going to have to give up my car for now, I can't afford the insurance and had to pay back £240 the other week due to the insurance paying me twice for carseats to be replaced apparantly And on top of that they didn't even pay me once for 2, they only agreed to pay for Shannons and not Leonies as she's too old to need a carseat-no regard that I sometimes have other children in my car! Anyway, can't afford the insurance or the repairs to the vehicle from backing into a post and also the damage that twat ex did so going to have to sell it for a lot less than its worth probably. I suppose on the brightside, if I get taxis everywhere, I needn't worry about having a drink when I go somewhere

NC - coincidence but I've booked Thur/Fri off work next week to use up some hols. A's at nursery Wed/Thur mornings. Monday is no good and Tuesday I'm at work.

Shame about having to sell your car - you'll probably notice a big difference though not having to pay petrol etc. It's difficult though - how likely is it that Rich will get bonuses etc?

Neeps - fantastic news! You must be so relieved.

QOL-My car insurance runs out at 12 on Thurs! Will have to see if I can sort something out, it's not so much the petrol as I don't use it very often apart from swimming lessons really, so it's a rather large, expensive ornament most of the time!

Not caught up yet but had to tell you 2 little 'moments'...
Weds; nursery had a circus come and show them some tricks a few weeks ago and weds was the 'show' when the children showed what they had learned...Alexs group did 'high wire' (balancing on a narrow beam) and they all had made their own huge 'clown' style paper bow ties and sang a parade type song...I could her my boy bellowing above the rest...extemely proud Mummy moment.

And atm we are watching Wall-E for the umpteenth time..Wall-E has just been fritzed and chucked down the rubbish chute by the Auto Pilot...Alex has turned to me eyes filled with tears and chin all a quiver..."Mum! Wall-E!..you fix him? please!"...... thats the first time he has shown such deep empathy with a film character ...awwwwwww!

awww floria, he sounds so cute! no wonder you are a proud mummy

NC - sorry you are having second thoughts - no wonder really with all the added stress you've been through recently. but it is a wonderful part of the country to move to...

Eva - hope your DD is fine again now

Neeps - how are you feeling to be home? it takes a while to get into a routine, but you can do it!

Well, the twins have been officially discharged by the consultant at the hospital now after their prem birth. Z weighs 10lb 13 now and L is 9lb 15 - both putting on about a pound a month, and i am still bfing them, so very pleased with this. They are properly smiling now as well, and awake and alert a lot more - they look like proper babies now (they really didn't when they were born!)

O goes from driving me mad, to being so fun to be with. I spend a lot of time telling himto take his hands out of his pants (what is it with boys and willys???). He is also trying to be 'helpful' - which is lovely, but tends to cause me twice as much work. The other day he went downstairs before me to get his breakfast, couldn't find a bowl, so put the cereal in a colander, and wondered why all the milk ended up over the table (cue inpromptu lesson on why bowls are better for cereal than colanders). On sunday he helped with mashing the potatoes for lunch, but when i went into the other roon to sort out screaming babies, the bowl of mash got dropped on the floor, so I had to make more for lunch...

looking forward to a night out tonight with some mum friends - without the kids so we can have a proper conversation, not half a one in between dealing with sharing issues.

Hope everyone is well xx

Lol Strawberry at the 'helpful' 3 yr old and the colander incident! 5* for effort! OOps about the mash though...Alex is incredibly cute but also incredibly not cute in turn..we have the hands down pants thing too, the stripping off to play with himself thing and even the invitation to tickle his bits thing!!! !!!!...and just after watching wall-E he asked if I would like to watch him demonstrate his new "spitting skill" (his words not mine!!!)[eeew emoticon]
Fabulous news about the twins discharge from the consultant and bravo you for tandem feeding and keeping their super weight gain so consistant...it must be lovely to watch two characters starting to develop at the same time.
Enjoy your night out without children..you deserve it.

NC I'm totally free on Mon and Tues next week, free until 5pm on Weds and Thurs but only free until 1pm on fri (teaching from 5 Weds and Thurs and from 1 on Fri)...(not that you can drive after 12 on Thurs) ...Let me know when is best for you and QOL..it will be lovely to see you both
I think it is probably a sensible decision to get rid of the car if you dont get full use/value for money out of it...there is always the train/coach.
Try not to worry too much about increased costs when you move..you will also be reducing costs in the fact that you will only be running one home and car between you, not two....and will probably not have the same need for more than the free nursery hours you are entitled to and perhaps you can find a little part time work or set up your own online type business to do when you are child free for a few hours.

Neeps How are you managing at home now? Was Dareh over the moon to get you back? Is Jana completely ok now?

Eva; hope you and DD are fully recovered now

Hi Crochet, Inzi, Alicet, Apricot, Mine, BB4, QoL, Muppet, Dal, Herjazz and Moonbells and anyone else I missed...I'm in need of a brain cell stimulating coffee...almost midday and I'm sleepy! ...that is what comes of watch a film at dss' request rather than going to the park for excersise and fresh air as I intended [bad/too-easily-swayed mummy emoticon]

Strawberry?PMSL at the colander, that is so funny. Bless him though, would have loved to see his face Great news on the twins. You need to get more pics up. Have been having to reingite the excitement by looking at houses to rent/schools/areas etc. still going to go, just wish it was sooner. Have a lovely time tonight :)

FT-Aww @ Alex singing. DD1 first showed emotions at other things when she was about the same age and watching rugrats. she used to cry everytime she watched the film because 'Chucky didn't have a mummy :(' Shannon's also starting to say similar things, she nearly cries when I pluck my eyebrows cause she doesn't want me to hurt. Shoe watches on in glee when I do dd1 though
Going to probably put the car insurance on my credit card for now, it's gone down by a hundred pounds now that they've taken the car seat claim off, plus because of the damage to my car it's value is hugely reduced so going to see about getting it repaired in the next few weeks/months and hopefully will be able to sell for more, get a cheaper car or none, but will get insurance part refunded. So, can come on Thurs if that's what is best for QOL and okay with you? Don't think it's just boys that play with their bits, I'm always catching Shannon having a good old itch and rummage! Haha at the invitation to give it a tickle, suppose it's only like a dog wanting it's belly rubbing

Short post as typing on phone with one hand!

Strawberry that Colender incident is brilliant! At least he shows initiative! Dareh is far too lazy to make himself anything. You should be so proud of feeding the twins. Breastfeeding is hard enough with one. I am sure they are doing so well because of your hard work.

Nc how are you feeling now? You've had such an unsettled time it's not surprising that you feel unsure. Any change is hard even without all you have had to deal with.

Floria I am loving the sound of the circus show! Can't wait to see Dareh do something like that.

I think Dareh is finding it hard just now not getting much attention from me, hopefully he will adjust soon. Jana is a but unsettled with an upset tummy. Not sure what's going on there but she's not getting much rest and neither am I! All par for the course I suppose. I wish I had the nerve to just co-sleep but I am too scared.

FT - awww Alex is so cute. Love the circus thing at nursery, bet he loved that.

Strawberry - great news at the twins being discharged, they are doing so well, and you should be very proud . lol at putting cereal in a colander - that shows real initiative! Hope you enjoy your night out.

NC/FT - Anya's in nursery on Thurs until 1pm but I can come over in the afternoon. Will have to sort it out with ex-h as he usually has her on a Thursday, but shouldn't be a problem.

Neeps - hope Jana's better soon and you manage to get some rest. I'm sure Dareh will adjust quickly and settle into his big-brother role.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Hi ladies

Neeps-Hope Jana is better. Don't worry too much about Dareh, things will settle themselves down in time. Hope you manage some sleep soon :)

QoL (and FT) Do you fancy meeting somewhere near Ikea, Birstal (Leeds) or Thurs, maybe for tea? Doesn't have to be there but I thought where we went last time is probably going to be packed with it being half term. Or is that not really feasible for you?

Hi everyone else :) As I say, half term here. My friend has been round this morning with her 4 kids (age 2-11). They're all very nice children but the shear volume of them in my little downstairs has made me dizzy! Just sat checking FB and MN, looking at college work this afternoon.

NC would love to meet half way but I absolutely have to be home before 5 for teaching and as QoL doesnt get Anya from nursery until 1...I dont think I'll get any time with you before I have to leave
If you can possibly make the journey over to me I'll put on lunch and Qol can join us later (for left overs )...but if you can't make it all this way I quite understand.

Hi FT-Oh yeah, sorry I forgot about that. Have just FBed you x

Hi ladies. I just need to moan and doing it at dh seems to just cause an argument so would you mind if I do it here?

I am sick of the sleep deprivation. Two nights ago was so bad, he was awake from 12-5, got about 2 hours sleep. I think it was to do with teething.. Just about caught up on sleep from that but he's just up every bloody night Last night he was up 4 times and fed each time then wanted up for the day at 6. I'm scared to wean him off night feeds invade it affects his weight and I'm just tired all the time. It's supposed to be half term and vie spent most of it catching up on sleep and have done nothing fun with Dylan at all. I'm just so sick of this, I don't know what to do. I'm trying to get Miles to take milk from a cup but that's not happening either. I just want him to sleep at night

Appologies for the me me me.

Strawberry, great news on the twins!

Neeps, how are you all settling back in at home? How's DD?

Am loving all the stories about our Los

to all you lovely ladies xxx

I am so sorry Dalry, sleep deprivation is used as a form of torture for good reason. I really struggle if I can't get sleep, makes me depressed. Is there anyone who can help? Take Dylan so you can sleep? You need a break. Could you express so that dh can do a night? It doesn't sound like he is being supportive of you, perhaps a night in your shoes will help.

Thanks neeps. The problem is even though it's causing us to argue he is being really supportive.. I can't express cause Miles will not take a bottle, well he will but it's VERY stressful and he just screams and cries for ages first, not bothered even trying with him since 5 months. Been trying cups lately but just takes a few sips then chucks the cup.

Dh is helping a lot, most of the time when Miles wakes he gets up and passes him to me and then puts him back again when he's finished. On the odd occasion I get him and put him back but only if it's a really bad night, we basically just share the load. He sleeps whilst I feed so gets a little more than me but then he doesn't get chance of an afternoon nap like I do. We're both just run down. I thought he'd be sleeping through by now

Mil is great and helps me out regularly but it always seems when I really need her help she's not available. She has a cold at the moment so can't watch Dylan..

Another thing is he just makes so much noise when he wakes in the night. He always cries as soon as he wakes and sometimes screams like a cat being strangled and it's so loud I feel really stressed by it. It almost makes me feel sick when he screams like that so close to me I just can't understand it, Dylan was never like this, he slept through around 8-12 weeks and always just chatted and babbled when he woke up mostly. I just seem to spend a lot of my time trying to calm Miles down, he cries if I put him down, cries if he's a bit tired, cries for a feed, cries for no reason. Why is he so grumpy? I suspect he's probably knackered but he won't bloody sleep

Could he have reflux of some kind? You poor thing, it just sounds awful. Have you tried posting on the sleep board or the breast feeding board to see if anyone else has any ideas? Dareh was a bloody awful sleeper too, it really is hellish.

On a happier note - I got my parcel today!!! Wow! It's really amazing! I feel really humbled actually that a group of people I have never met would put that together for me. Dareh ran straight off to the bathroom to play with the torch and I already ate a bar of chocolate! Am I a bad mother for being more excited by the champagne than anything else?! It really is all lovely, I still can't believe all the beautiful stuff. Thank you, you've really cheered me up and made me feel special which when you are a walking leaky jelly type mass is pretty difficult to do!

Neeps - that's great your parcel arrived, glad you like all the lovely stuff! Thanks to NC for organising, collecting and shopping for it . you deserve every bit of it, especially after the past few weeks xxx

I have suspected Miles has silent reflux along the way but I'm just not sure. Plus, I thought they were supposed to grow out of it by about this age? A lot of the time he just seems really annoyed and gets himself all worked up. When he's happy he's really happy and smiley and lovely. He just seems to get upset ever so easily, even just laying him down to change his nappy induces a crying fit. Oh I'm just moaning on now, please forgive the self indulgence, I'm just having a bad day.

Neeps;thrilled you like your parcel and even more so that it has given you a boost...you most definately deserve it after the last few weeks.Enjoy!
Bravo and thank you to NC for organising it.

Dal; Honey,I sooooooooooo know where you are coming from. My experience is that you just stick it out and get what naps you can where you can ... but then I didnt have a 3yr old to manage on top of exactly the same situation with my baby.
As you know Alex didnt start sleeping through until Dh insisted we forcibly night wean him last year (horrible and totally unnatural for me even if it did mean I finally got some sleep and totally unfeasable for you with Miles being a tiddler(again like Alex)) Alexs' colic/silent reflux lasted until almost 12 months ..he was always better when he slept in his Amby (slightly raised) rather than flat...you could try raising the head of his cot on books/bricks...but even that didnt always work.
It is no consolation when you are so very exhausted and very frustrating when you are fairly sure that half your babys bad temper is caused by tiredness but Miles will grow out of both night feeding and reflux eventually as Alex did. I found the pram and the car were my best friends a lot of the time (car still is). Hang on in there...even 10 min naps can keep you going (though they dont feel like it at the time)....it will be over before you know it...just think, our little piggies, who seem to have only been born very recently, will be 4 sooner than you could produce another baby!

Thanks Floria, it helps to know my situation is not unusual. I'm pretty sute he's teething too at the moment just to add to the mix. I don't even know if he has reflux or is just incredibly upset/annoyed he certainly arches his back and thrashed around as we try to hold him. Did you ever get Alex diagnosed or were you just sure that's what he had? He seems to have an almost constant snotty nose which I think is another sign but he's caught so many colds lately it's hard to tell what's what.

neeps - glad you enjoyed the parcel and it cheered you up :)

Another good Job Julie :-)

Dal- I hope you get some sleep soon. I still feel like I have a newborn at the moment, we were up with Ben again 5 times last night, its exhausting.

The last time he woke us up which was about 5.15 he was shouting mummy and tossing and turning, and when I went in he was asleep and shouting 'I don't like strawberries!' sounds like he was dreaming about me force feeding them to him. :)

Also having mega battle of wills with him at the moment, he is testing every single boundry at once it seems

Thankfully Sam is the ultimate golden child and can do no wrong at the moment :)

Hi Ladies,

Neeps-Glad it's cheered you up, enjoy :)

Dal-S's reflux lasted until around 11/12 months. I don't really have any advice sorry. Just hang on in there and nap when you can.

Things are quite stressful here atm, my head and body feels as though it's in a vice. So can't wait till tomorrow when we're off to Gloucester for the weekend :)

Love to all.

That must be so tiring LLL, hope he grows out of the bad dreams soon.

Oh god Dylan is very trying too, let's hope this phases passes quickly!

Nc- Sorry you are so stressed, I know the feeling you mean, it's awful. Hope you hae a lovely weekend away and manage to relax and forget your worries at least a little bit.

Do you remember what the sympoms of S's reflux were?

Dal - hun, sorry you're having such a bad time of it. Sleep deprivation is the worst thing. I don't have any experience of reflux - Anya was a nightmare baby, crying at the drop of a hat, but only during the day and she grew out of it once she learnt to roll.

Neeps - , glad you like your parcel. Thanks to NC for putting it together.

Lisa - Anya is being exactly the same as Ben. She called me into her bedroom the other night very upset, demanding to know why I had put her drink of water back in the tap . And, oh my word, the boundary testing - it's relentless isn't it? But, bless her, she's learning the art of negotiation - "just five more minutes", or "we play first and then you brush my hair".

NC - have a great time at Gloucester - hope you manage to de-stress a bit.

Anya's had a bit of a stomach bug the last couple of days - there's one been going round nursery. Nothing bad - no throwing up - but we've had to stay near a loo and the washing machine's been on quite a bit!

I'm up and running on MSF (mysinglefriend). I've sent 7 emails, 4 still unread, and 1 reply - not a bad effort! Still have some more profiles to trawl through so we'll see how it goes .

How exciting QOL! I hope you get some good replies. Hope Anya is on the mend soon, there are so many bugs at the moment it seems.

NC have a great weekend! Thank you for organising my parcel - still grinning. Going to have some champagne tonight and I can't wait!!

How are you feeling today Dal? Are there meds that babies can get for reflux? Wish there was something I could do to help.

LLL we are also having a hard time with Dareh at the moment. I know he is unsettled with me being away in hospital for almost two weeks and the arrival of his sister but it is hard going. What do you all do when they refuse to do what they are told? I haven't really figured out a system if you know what I mean. I went out for the first time yesterday with the two of them and it was a nightamre - an old lady had to rescue me by a busy road as Dareh would not do what he was told. I have reigns but didn't have them on then as before hand he had been good as gold. I hope he settles down soon, he seems so unhappy just now.

Anyway just about to come back from playgroup so I better get on!

Have a nice day all :)